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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:40 vthree wrote: Yes, I saw the game vs Kal that took KT out of the playoff picture. Nice, so you have seen 2 games out of like 20. Flash expert in the house. ㅋㅋㅋ | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:42 Gosi wrote: Nice, so you have seen 2 games out of like 20. Flash expert in the house. ㅋㅋㅋ Lol, reading comprehension problem? I didn't say I have only watched 2 Flash SC2 games... I said I know it wasn't his first game and just gave an example of another Flash game. Also, have you watch ALL SC2 games to claim he has the best macro and resource management out of all the players? Again, I agree that Fantasy had great micro and Flash had great macro. Just hard to call it the BEST EVAR. But I guess these forums are like that. That last game that happened was the best TvZ ever or the worst game ever. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:44 vthree wrote: Lol, reading comprehension problem? I didn't say I have only watched 2 Flash SC2 games... I said I know it wasn't his first game and just gave an example of another Flash game. Also, have you watch ALL SC2 games to claim he has the best macro and resource management out of all the players? Yes. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:40 massivez wrote: To soon to jump onto conclusions. But anyway, 1. Fantasy's micro in protecting his marines + sniping banelings was impressive. 2. To me some are on the same level already (Roro, Effort, Jaedong, Fantasy, By.sun, CJhero), but they lack some general gamesense sometimes. 3. Flash didn't impress me that much either, he seems like macro hard and try to overpower the opponent with pure macro. Didn't see any harass. But ill give him some time, he is a practice beast. But this who Flash is, what makes him so good is not flashy micro tricks or crazy builds, he just builds more stuff, manages his resoucres better and takes the right decision at the right time more often than everybody else. | ||
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:45 Milkis wrote: Flash is god tier in BW cause of his game sense, not because of his mechanics or whatever. players like Baby has always had fantastic mechanics and multitasking, while Flash is someone who just knows what you're doing and will destroy you cause he knows way too well what's going on in the game. Obviously it's going to take time for him to be impressive in a new game, and he even mentions that in an interview about how he needs a year or two to be god tier. Saying stuff like "THIS IS EVIDENCE SC1 SKILLS DONT TRANSLATE IMMEDIATELY TO SC2" is pretty silly really. Give it time instead of being like "Oh he's nothing special" ~_~; This. Flash's ability to almost soak in every little piece of information better than a Shamwow in an advertisement + his consistent and unfailing memory of how the game works and what reactions should work to win the game is really only impeded by his lack of time practicing the game. Give it a break - he's a robot, but even copy-pasting that much minute information + earlygame/midgame/lategame/general situational theory into his processor takes a bit of time. I'd also like to know what the point of this post was, other than to provoke people, since most of the observations listed are not only common sense given about a minute of focused thought, but also have been rehashed over and over and over and over again ad nauseum | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
I don't mean just Flash's games. I mean ALL SC2 game by ALL players. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:47 vthree wrote: I don't mean just Flash's games. I mean ALL SC2 game by ALL players. I know. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Well, then you must be right. Flash does have the best macro EVAR. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
The micro was impressive but god did his macro suck, it's funny how people are like " OH MY GOD MICRO MURINS SO GOSU FANTASY IMBA " but then you look closely and see that a part from the stellar micro/multitask it was more NesTea that sucked than Fantasy that plaid like MvP or Taeja | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:52 GregMandel wrote: So ... am I the only one that noticed the constant 1k + mineral and 500+ gas that fantasy was floating all the time ? The micro was impressive but god did his macro suck, it's funny how people are like " OH MY GOD MICRO MURINS SO GOSU FANTASY IMBA " but then you look closely and see that a part from the stellar micro/multitask it was more NesTea that sucked than Fantasy that plaid like MvP or Taeja Macro isn't only about keeping your money low, that's a common misconception. Yeah he could've built more rax before he started dropping but probably wasn't expecting Nestea to go full foreigner and the drops to as much damage as they did. | ||
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usethis2
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:31 Squeegy wrote: Or when you haven't decided between higher tech or additional production. Of course you being so new to the scene, you don't know Fantasy much. It just seems to make more sense that he would bank up, if he has stated he likes to do it, rather than his macro slipping that bad. What higher tech in TvZ man ? His minerals went high because he had 4 rax but no reactors on them. So instead of 7 marines he was building 4 per cycle. When he realised that, he built 3 additional rax and 1 factory... Yes his macro slipped. IDK why it is so hard to admit. He is still new to the game so it's a normal thing. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
Fantasy's marine micro might be the best I've seen, better than MMA even, and those drop harass + macro is impeccable. In that game, nestea's infestors came too late. Fantasy's drops were good but it's easy to look really good when you are just controlling drops against lings and slow banes. If infestors were out that could easily have been 4 lost medivacs. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 29 2012 03:24 Darkhoarse wrote: Were these Bo1? That's kind of a terrible format imo and provides potential for shocking results like kespa pros beating Gom pros. Yes, like WCS. | ||
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:01 Kahlgar wrote: The only thing we can learn from today's OSL is that the KESPA vs GOM competition is great for sc2 This is seriously so. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On August 29 2012 02:25 vthree wrote: Flash had good macro. But honestly, he went for a super early 3rd that was unpunished and then both sides just went passive. I am sure a lot of terrans could macro like that in such a passive game. Flash is the master of mind games , most of the time he will predict what the opponent does and counter it . In the words of Jaedong himself in one of his interviews , they asked him what do you like the most in Flash's gameplay and he answered " I like how he sets himself up for the lategame" . The fact that Flash almost never ends up behind in early game build orders in 90 % of his games is why he was the best in BW and will be really good in SC2 . He just needs more time to learn them build orders , but sadly with HOTS coming and balance patching the game every month might slow his progress , but once he learns he will be almost unstoppable . When Flash was in 6 consecutive finals people here including me were praying for Jaedong or someone else to stop him , but he kept on steamrolling and people blamed Flash as one of the reasons why BW lost popularity and then eventually died out . Eventually he slowed down a bit and JangBi and Fantasy stoped his reign . | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On August 29 2012 01:30 Twinkle Toes wrote: Flash is nothing special Sorry, but that string of words just doesn't make sense. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
Not the best set of examples to draw conclusions from. | ||
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