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On August 26 2012 21:51 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:34 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:29 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. No, there is no enemy. KeSPA/SKorean corporates want control of eSports through monopolizing good players. Blizz/ESF/GOM want control of eSports by monopolizing the fact they have to play through BNet for all the games. In the end the prize of monopoly is all those future eSports broadcast rights. This should have become apparent to the community from the first day Blizz announced no LAN for SC2. Blizzard wants to have control yes. eSF has nothing to do with Blizzard at least not more than any other SC2 players. GOM is sponsored by Blizzard that is true, but still they are not this company. It is funny how many here want to portrait eSF has Blizzards or GOM's puppet, as neither of those has any word to say in their decisions. ROFL. The ESF players and members all GET PAID BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD. Do you honestly think Red Bull and Intel sponsor SC2 because of its viewership? So Blizzard forces Intel and Red Bull to sponsor teams? What about LG?
Not teams, tourneys.
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On August 26 2012 21:48 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:41 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 21:35 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. Do you seriously think these players would risk their reputations and income to 'stand up for the rights' of players most of whom they don't know, and who are their direct competition anyway? Take off your rose glasses... 90% of ESF players know the KeSPA players. They were all on the same teams years ago. The ESF players don't have to worry about reputation, the entirety of Korean fans pretty much support them in this situation. It's only the few on TL who seem to favor the old guys in suits over actual players. They also don't have to worry about their income since they're pretty free to decide where they want to play so long as they're there to represent their team for all the important events. That's something I wish KeSPA would allow it's players to do. When they have no games to play and large open schedules they really should be able to play in the GSL if they want to. That's actually not the case. Koreans are fairly nationalistic, and if KeSPA paints this as an attempt by Blizzard to monopolize star Korean players, then they could quickly circle the wagons.
Currently it is still a conflict Blizzard is directly involved with (indirectly sure). If Blizzard gets involved public opinion does not matter as there is no lan.
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On August 26 2012 21:52 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:51 Zane wrote:On August 26 2012 21:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:34 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:29 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. No, there is no enemy. KeSPA/SKorean corporates want control of eSports through monopolizing good players. Blizz/ESF/GOM want control of eSports by monopolizing the fact they have to play through BNet for all the games. In the end the prize of monopoly is all those future eSports broadcast rights. This should have become apparent to the community from the first day Blizz announced no LAN for SC2. Blizzard wants to have control yes. eSF has nothing to do with Blizzard at least not more than any other SC2 players. GOM is sponsored by Blizzard that is true, but still they are not this company. It is funny how many here want to portrait eSF has Blizzards or GOM's puppet, as neither of those has any word to say in their decisions. ROFL. The ESF players and members all GET PAID BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD. Do you honestly think Red Bull and Intel sponsor SC2 because of its viewership? So Blizzard forces Intel and Red Bull to sponsor teams? What about LG? Not teams, tourneys.
Blizzard is pretty awesome then, if they have the power to coerce fucking Intel and Red Bull.
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On August 26 2012 21:46 Sethronu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:41 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 21:35 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. Do you seriously think these players would risk their reputations and income to 'stand up for the rights' of players most of whom they don't know, and who are their direct competition anyway? Take off your rose glasses... 90% of ESF players know the KeSPA players. They were all on the same teams years ago. The ESF players don't have to worry about reputation, the entirety of Korean fans pretty much support them in this situation. It's only the few on TL who seem to favor the old guys in suits over actual players. They also don't have to worry about their income since they're pretty free to decide where they want to play so long as they're there to represent their team for all the important events. That's something I wish KeSPA would allow it's players to do. When they have no games to play and large open schedules they really should be able to play in the GSL if they want to. What the hell do you mean eSF players don't have to worry about their future income? There are about 40 Korean players who made over 20k$ in tournament winnings in OVER TWO YEARS that SC2 was running; a large portion of these players are the ones who enjoyed the large and comparably 'easy' prizepools of GSL Open seasons, and aren't even active any more. Of course some of them also have salaries, but so far it seems like salaries aren't exactly large nor given to many players on Korean teams. Puzzle, one of the better players amongst eSF rosters, openly said he is considering retirement with the KeSPA switch on going. What do you think triggered that?
I meant that dropping out of OSL isn't going to kill them. They have pretty healthy sponsors (despite what some people believe) GSL, MLG, IPL and all these other tournaments that would gladly take their participation. ESF players aren't going to die from not participating in this OSL, they can most certainly hold out for a while. OGN on the other hand pretty much NEEDS this resolved. Puzzle is considering retirement because he doesn't feel like he can compete with the massive influx of talent entering the scene, not because he needs to play in the OSL to survive. Thanks for ignoring the rest of my post though, rose tinted glasses indeed.
On August 26 2012 21:48 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:41 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 21:35 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. Do you seriously think these players would risk their reputations and income to 'stand up for the rights' of players most of whom they don't know, and who are their direct competition anyway? Take off your rose glasses... 90% of ESF players know the KeSPA players. They were all on the same teams years ago. The ESF players don't have to worry about reputation, the entirety of Korean fans pretty much support them in this situation. It's only the few on TL who seem to favor the old guys in suits over actual players. They also don't have to worry about their income since they're pretty free to decide where they want to play so long as they're there to represent their team for all the important events. That's something I wish KeSPA would allow it's players to do. When they have no games to play and large open schedules they really should be able to play in the GSL if they want to. That's actually not the case. Koreans are fairly nationalistic, and if KeSPA paints this as an attempt by Blizzard to monopolize star Korean players, then they could quickly circle the wagons.
Go look at all the Korean forums. People are generally happy that someones standing up for KeSPA's bullshit and before ESF said their position remained unchanged the Korean fans were practically begging them to stick to their guns. It literally is only people on TL who are defending the old guys in suits over the players who actually want to play.
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On August 26 2012 21:52 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:51 Zane wrote:On August 26 2012 21:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:34 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:29 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. No, there is no enemy. KeSPA/SKorean corporates want control of eSports through monopolizing good players. Blizz/ESF/GOM want control of eSports by monopolizing the fact they have to play through BNet for all the games. In the end the prize of monopoly is all those future eSports broadcast rights. This should have become apparent to the community from the first day Blizz announced no LAN for SC2. Blizzard wants to have control yes. eSF has nothing to do with Blizzard at least not more than any other SC2 players. GOM is sponsored by Blizzard that is true, but still they are not this company. It is funny how many here want to portrait eSF has Blizzards or GOM's puppet, as neither of those has any word to say in their decisions. ROFL. The ESF players and members all GET PAID BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD. Do you honestly think Red Bull and Intel sponsor SC2 because of its viewership? So Blizzard forces Intel and Red Bull to sponsor teams? What about LG? Not teams, tourneys.
Sincerely curious, how exactly does Blizzard "force" companies like Intel?
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On August 26 2012 21:52 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:48 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:41 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 21:35 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. Do you seriously think these players would risk their reputations and income to 'stand up for the rights' of players most of whom they don't know, and who are their direct competition anyway? Take off your rose glasses... 90% of ESF players know the KeSPA players. They were all on the same teams years ago. The ESF players don't have to worry about reputation, the entirety of Korean fans pretty much support them in this situation. It's only the few on TL who seem to favor the old guys in suits over actual players. They also don't have to worry about their income since they're pretty free to decide where they want to play so long as they're there to represent their team for all the important events. That's something I wish KeSPA would allow it's players to do. When they have no games to play and large open schedules they really should be able to play in the GSL if they want to. That's actually not the case. Koreans are fairly nationalistic, and if KeSPA paints this as an attempt by Blizzard to monopolize star Korean players, then they could quickly circle the wagons. Currently it is still a conflict Blizzard is directly involved with (indirectly sure). If Blizzard gets involved public opinion does not matter as there is no lan.
Actually it will matter as the only Blizz game which has a chance of becoming popular as an eSport in Korea is SC2, and Korea is by far the largest eSports market on the planet.
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On August 26 2012 21:52 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:51 Zane wrote:On August 26 2012 21:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:34 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:29 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. No, there is no enemy. KeSPA/SKorean corporates want control of eSports through monopolizing good players. Blizz/ESF/GOM want control of eSports by monopolizing the fact they have to play through BNet for all the games. In the end the prize of monopoly is all those future eSports broadcast rights. This should have become apparent to the community from the first day Blizz announced no LAN for SC2. Blizzard wants to have control yes. eSF has nothing to do with Blizzard at least not more than any other SC2 players. GOM is sponsored by Blizzard that is true, but still they are not this company. It is funny how many here want to portrait eSF has Blizzards or GOM's puppet, as neither of those has any word to say in their decisions. ROFL. The ESF players and members all GET PAID BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD. Do you honestly think Red Bull and Intel sponsor SC2 because of its viewership? So Blizzard forces Intel and Red Bull to sponsor teams? What about LG? Not teams, tourneys.
So you think Blizzard forces Red Bull to sponsor a tourney or Asus,Schenker,Intel,IGN or the MLG sponsors?
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On August 26 2012 21:41 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:35 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. Do you seriously think these players would risk their reputations and income to 'stand up for the rights' of players most of whom they don't know, and who are their direct competition anyway? Take off your rose glasses... 90% of ESF players know the KeSPA players. They were all on the same teams years ago. The ESF players don't have to worry about reputation, the entirety of Korean fans pretty much support them in this situation. It's only the few on TL who seem to favor the old guys in suits over actual players. They also don't have to worry about their income since they're pretty free to decide where they want to play so long as they're there to represent their team for all the important events. That's something I wish KeSPA would allow it's players to do. When they have no games to play and large open schedules they really should be able to play in the GSL if they want to.
how do you know that the entire of Korean fans support the decision? Do you honestly think all posters on fomos/playxp combine can equal the numbers of, say, Bisu's fans who only watch TV, stalk their idol and not give a fuck about commenting those site?
Similarly, how much of percentage do those online poster contribute to the TV rating of OGN? Even an avid TV watcher granma is more worthy than 100 online posters who watch youtube stream. General audience can turn on the TV to see if this new OSL is anywhere as exciting as the last ten years of OSL, and so [OGN-->Sc2 in Korea-->eSport] effortlessly gain new viewership. Can GOM/eSF do that? nope They are killing eSport
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On August 26 2012 21:55 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:52 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:51 Zane wrote:On August 26 2012 21:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:34 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:29 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. No, there is no enemy. KeSPA/SKorean corporates want control of eSports through monopolizing good players. Blizz/ESF/GOM want control of eSports by monopolizing the fact they have to play through BNet for all the games. In the end the prize of monopoly is all those future eSports broadcast rights. This should have become apparent to the community from the first day Blizz announced no LAN for SC2. Blizzard wants to have control yes. eSF has nothing to do with Blizzard at least not more than any other SC2 players. GOM is sponsored by Blizzard that is true, but still they are not this company. It is funny how many here want to portrait eSF has Blizzards or GOM's puppet, as neither of those has any word to say in their decisions. ROFL. The ESF players and members all GET PAID BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD. Do you honestly think Red Bull and Intel sponsor SC2 because of its viewership? So Blizzard forces Intel and Red Bull to sponsor teams? What about LG? Not teams, tourneys. So you think Blizzard forces Red Bull to sponsor a tourney or Asus,Schenker,Intel,IGN or the MLG sponsors?
Not forces. Encourages them to do so.
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On August 26 2012 21:54 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:46 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:41 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 21:35 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. Do you seriously think these players would risk their reputations and income to 'stand up for the rights' of players most of whom they don't know, and who are their direct competition anyway? Take off your rose glasses... 90% of ESF players know the KeSPA players. They were all on the same teams years ago. The ESF players don't have to worry about reputation, the entirety of Korean fans pretty much support them in this situation. It's only the few on TL who seem to favor the old guys in suits over actual players. They also don't have to worry about their income since they're pretty free to decide where they want to play so long as they're there to represent their team for all the important events. That's something I wish KeSPA would allow it's players to do. When they have no games to play and large open schedules they really should be able to play in the GSL if they want to. What the hell do you mean eSF players don't have to worry about their future income? There are about 40 Korean players who made over 20k$ in tournament winnings in OVER TWO YEARS that SC2 was running; a large portion of these players are the ones who enjoyed the large and comparably 'easy' prizepools of GSL Open seasons, and aren't even active any more. Of course some of them also have salaries, but so far it seems like salaries aren't exactly large nor given to many players on Korean teams. Puzzle, one of the better players amongst eSF rosters, openly said he is considering retirement with the KeSPA switch on going. What do you think triggered that? I meant that dropping out of OSL isn't going to kill them. They have pretty healthy sponsors (despite what some people believe) GSL, MLG, IPL and all these other tournaments that would gladly take their participation. ESF players aren't going to die from not participating in this OSL, they can most certainly hold out for a while. OGN on the other hand pretty much NEEDS this resolved.Puzzle is considering retirement because he doesn't feel like he can compete with the massive influx of talent entering the scene, not because he needs to play in the OSL to survive.Thanks for ignoring the rest of my post though, rose tinted glasses indeed. Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:48 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:41 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 21:35 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. Do you seriously think these players would risk their reputations and income to 'stand up for the rights' of players most of whom they don't know, and who are their direct competition anyway? Take off your rose glasses... 90% of ESF players know the KeSPA players. They were all on the same teams years ago. The ESF players don't have to worry about reputation, the entirety of Korean fans pretty much support them in this situation. It's only the few on TL who seem to favor the old guys in suits over actual players. They also don't have to worry about their income since they're pretty free to decide where they want to play so long as they're there to represent their team for all the important events. That's something I wish KeSPA would allow it's players to do. When they have no games to play and large open schedules they really should be able to play in the GSL if they want to. That's actually not the case. Koreans are fairly nationalistic, and if KeSPA paints this as an attempt by Blizzard to monopolize star Korean players, then they could quickly circle the wagons. Go look at all the Korean forums. People are generally happy that someones standing up for KeSPA's bullshit and before ESF said their position remained unchanged the Korean fans were practically begging them to stick to their guns. It literally is only people on TL who are defending the old guys in suits over the players who actually want to play.
people tend to be short minded, stupid to put it bluntly, universally regardless of their nationality....i would actually say rationality is lacking with koreans, koreans love gossip and rumor. (generalizing)
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Like I said, Kespa is idiotic and stupid. But don't come here posting as if ESF and GOM are Jesus incarnate trying to defend for the almighty right and good. Look at it from a business and even esports perspective. Money is being poured for the growth of this game. Business differences (namely that lion's share of the market) are temporarily set aside to pursue a common goal (Growth of E-fucking-Sports). This is all a miscommunication or mismanagement problem, mainly in the part of KeSPA, but ESF/GOM is jumping in on the opportunity to gain the leverage.
Personally, I think KeSPA can pull through with or without ESF/GOM. They have the talent power (you are kidding yourself if you do not think the soon to be ex-BW progamers will not trash competitive SC2 soon) and the entire Korean corporate network on their side. I am tempted to say what the real motivation is behind ESF/GOM, but I am not counting out the fact that it might just be an emotional knee-jerk reaction that is not thought out at all.
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On August 26 2012 21:52 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:51 Zane wrote:On August 26 2012 21:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:34 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:29 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. No, there is no enemy. KeSPA/SKorean corporates want control of eSports through monopolizing good players. Blizz/ESF/GOM want control of eSports by monopolizing the fact they have to play through BNet for all the games. In the end the prize of monopoly is all those future eSports broadcast rights. This should have become apparent to the community from the first day Blizz announced no LAN for SC2. Blizzard wants to have control yes. eSF has nothing to do with Blizzard at least not more than any other SC2 players. GOM is sponsored by Blizzard that is true, but still they are not this company. It is funny how many here want to portrait eSF has Blizzards or GOM's puppet, as neither of those has any word to say in their decisions. ROFL. The ESF players and members all GET PAID BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD. Do you honestly think Red Bull and Intel sponsor SC2 because of its viewership? So Blizzard forces Intel and Red Bull to sponsor teams? What about LG? Not teams, tourneys.
Of course the sponsors do it for the viewership. They might be able to get a larger audience in other media but it's a very targeted audience. Blizzard doesn't have the power to coerce a company as big as Asus or Intel into running their own tournaments which will be at a big direct loss to the companies.
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On August 26 2012 21:57 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 21:55 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:52 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:51 Zane wrote:On August 26 2012 21:43 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:34 Sandermatt wrote:On August 26 2012 21:29 Shady Sands wrote:On August 26 2012 21:27 Qikz wrote:On August 26 2012 21:24 Atheist wrote:
KeSPA is idiotic and stupid here, but the enemy is ESF. Get your heads straight guys. Enemy? Enemy? the eSF players are just standing up for the rights of the Kespa players. They feel that the Kespa players should be allowed to play in the tournament they've all been saying they want to play in. Hos is that a bad thing? You're the misguided one. No, there is no enemy. KeSPA/SKorean corporates want control of eSports through monopolizing good players. Blizz/ESF/GOM want control of eSports by monopolizing the fact they have to play through BNet for all the games. In the end the prize of monopoly is all those future eSports broadcast rights. This should have become apparent to the community from the first day Blizz announced no LAN for SC2. Blizzard wants to have control yes. eSF has nothing to do with Blizzard at least not more than any other SC2 players. GOM is sponsored by Blizzard that is true, but still they are not this company. It is funny how many here want to portrait eSF has Blizzards or GOM's puppet, as neither of those has any word to say in their decisions. ROFL. The ESF players and members all GET PAID BECAUSE OF BLIZZARD. Do you honestly think Red Bull and Intel sponsor SC2 because of its viewership? So Blizzard forces Intel and Red Bull to sponsor teams? What about LG? Not teams, tourneys. So you think Blizzard forces Red Bull to sponsor a tourney or Asus,Schenker,Intel,IGN or the MLG sponsors? Not forces. Encourages them to do so.
The companies are producing equipment (computers, drinks, magazines, ...) that the players want it is logical to sponsor a tournement for them. That they didn't knwo about Esports without Blizzard telling them is an unfounded claim.
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On August 26 2012 21:52 .vid wrote:
ESF is just ridiculous and unprofessional, pulling players halfway thru the tournament.
at least kespa announced it even before qualifications.
imo, kespa should ban esf players from following osl's.
I know. Right before the deadline of qualification. Very professional. Not to mention that everything was talked out in May.
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On August 26 2012 21:59 Atheist wrote:
Like I said, Kespa is idiotic and stupid. But don't come here posting as if ESF and GOM are Jesus incarnate trying to defend for the almighty right and good. Look at it from a business and even esports perspective. Money is being poured for the growth of this game. Business differences (namely that lion's share of the market) are temporarily set aside to pursue a common goal (Growth of E-fucking-Sports). This is all a miscommunication or mismanagement problem, mainly in the part of KeSPA, but ESF/GOM is jumping in on the opportunity to gain the leverage.
Personally, I think KeSPA can pull through with or without ESF/GOM. They have the talent power (you are kidding yourself if you do not think the soon to be ex-BW progamers will not trash competitive SC2 soon) and the entire Korean corporate network on their side. I am tempted to say what the real motivation is behind ESF/GOM, but I am not counting out the fact that it might just be an emotional knee-jerk reaction that is not thought out at all.
Aaaaaand... fucking more conspiracy theories. Do you have anything to back this up? Kespa pulled the first punch. ESF was within its rights to protect itself and its players.
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Meh. My position is that I'd like the KeSPA players to have a choice. I'm a fan of the players first and foremost. If their schedule is free and they really want to attempt qualification, they really should be able to try. If they don't feel up to it for whatever reason, no one's going to complain if they turn down the opportunity. At least then they'd have a choice and I don't really understand why anyone who's a fan of the players would rather their voices go unheard.
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On August 26 2012 22:04 xBillehx wrote:
Meh. My position is that I'd like the KeSPA players to have a choice. I'm a fan of the players first and foremost. If their schedule is free and they really want to attempt qualification, they really should be able to try. If they don't feel up to it for whatever reason, no one's going to complain if they turn down the opportunity. At least then they'd have a choice and I don't really understand why anyone who's a fan of the players would rather their voices go unheard.
yup. thats that and people should move on instead of kneejerking each other and claim who's fault is bigger, conspiracies, hate talk and so on.
all that kespa has to do is just let the teams manage their players and there would be zero problems(but who knows how kespa operates, maybe there's something that requires them to speak for everyone), esf would withdraw their boycott, those who are ready will play gsl, bright future...until the next scandal.
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On August 26 2012 22:04 xBillehx wrote:
Meh. My position is that I'd like the KeSPA players to have a choice. I'm a fan of the players first and foremost. If their schedule is free and they really want to attempt qualification, they really should be able to try. If they don't feel up to it for whatever reason, no one's going to complain if they turn down the opportunity. At least then they'd have a choice and I don't really understand why anyone who's a fan of the players would rather their voices go unheard.
I really want to correct this KeSPA-is-Nazi notion where they have their players in chains. There is an employer-employee synergy to consider here. Did you remember how no NBA players ever commented during the lockout last year? This cannot be settled by some misplaced sense of freedom or truth or beauty, or whatever it is you think KeSPA players need.
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On August 26 2012 21:59 Atheist wrote:
Like I said, Kespa is idiotic and stupid. But don't come here posting as if ESF and GOM are Jesus incarnate trying to defend for the almighty right and good. Look at it from a business and even esports perspective. Money is being poured for the growth of this game. Business differences (namely that lion's share of the market) are temporarily set aside to pursue a common goal (Growth of E-fucking-Sports). This is all a miscommunication or mismanagement problem, mainly in the part of KeSPA, but ESF/GOM is jumping in on the opportunity to gain the leverage.
Personally, I think KeSPA can pull through with or without ESF/GOM. They have the talent power (you are kidding yourself if you do not think the soon to be ex-BW progamers will not trash competitive SC2 soon) and the entire Korean corporate network on their side. I am tempted to say what the real motivation is behind ESF/GOM, but I am not counting out the fact that it might just be an emotional knee-jerk reaction that is not thought out at all.
Things that ESF/GOM can gain out of Kespa's GSL participation
1. Basic right of Kespa player (which you don't seem to understand at all)
2. Viewership of GSL
3. Keeping promise of May agreement
4. Reputation from Kespa. Personally I believe this is the most important thing out of all. Kespa had done exactly same thing to kill Classic before. Kespa better consider GOM as partner, not as some lower division league. GSL has to be as important as OGN starleague.
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On August 26 2012 22:08 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 22:04 xBillehx wrote:
Meh. My position is that I'd like the KeSPA players to have a choice. I'm a fan of the players first and foremost. If their schedule is free and they really want to attempt qualification, they really should be able to try. If they don't feel up to it for whatever reason, no one's going to complain if they turn down the opportunity. At least then they'd have a choice and I don't really understand why anyone who's a fan of the players would rather their voices go unheard. yup. thats that and people should move on instead of kneejerking each other and claim who's fault is bigger, conspiracies, hate talk and so on. all that kespa has to do is just let the teams manage their players and there would be zero problems(but who knows how kespa operates, maybe there's something that requires them to speak for everyone), esf would withdraw their boycott, those who are ready will play gsl, bright future...until the next scandal.
I guess in the next few days/hours we will see who between the two is has the bigger clout. At least that issue will be resolved by this problem now.
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