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Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 25 2012 17:36 Weirdkid wrote:
To the people who are screaming at Kespa as to why they can't let players take part this season and use the reasoning that those players have nothing better to do during this time, Kespa's reasoning is that GSL is a 2-3 month tournament with repercussions (in that players will carry on from one season to the next).
So their concern feels to be more of a long term issue in balancing SPL and GSL, since SPL is still their main priority, and I don't think it's fair to use "those players have nothing else to do now" as a reason to condemn Kespa for not allowing them to take part in GSL. Afterall, just because they're free to play now doesn't mean they won't make it to Code S and stay in Code S and have clashes with future seasons of SPL.
Though, that being said, Kespa's reasoning does seem kinda weak, firstly because Gomtv seems very open to and forgiving in terms of scheduling and clashes. Secondly, if they were really worried of this type of clash, it wouldn't matter if they started in GSL Season 4 or GSL Season 5. Such clashes would still occur as GSL Season 5 would still be linked to the future seasons, unless they're hoping that they'd be able to plan so far into the future. Can they really plan so far ahead? 0.o *shrugs*
Also they could run an MSL beside their current tournaments, why not a GSL.
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Does the season 5 participation change this? OP not updated...
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On August 25 2012 17:47 6NR wrote:
Does the season 5 participation change this? OP not updated...
Don't think we've heard anything from the ESF guys yet
EDIT: Oh we have. It's in another thread lol. 4 threads about one issue. THIS.. IS.. MADNESS~~
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On August 25 2012 17:47 6NR wrote:
Does the season 5 participation change this? OP not updated...
in other tread esf says NO still no participation because you cant trust kespa (they ofc not say THAT) so until kespa not allows season 4 there will be no gom players in the osl
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It's funny how most of you people need to have 1 good and 1 bad guy 
and people that realize that both guys are evil get "flamed" that they "defend" KeSPA while they just point out thatthat ESF is also just pulling a dick move.
no one is defending KeSPA but you should stop acting like ESF is the shit and their decisions are so super awesome.
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What everybody is missing in all of this is the fact that NANIWA is really the one that has caused all of this.....
His scv rush of Nestea last year is likely at the forefront of the minds of KeSPA's haughty leadership and it has forever tainted their view of the GSL. The REAL reason they are not joining GSL is due to that one event....
Way to go Naniwa
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Surprised to see Oz still in the OSL round of 16:O
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On August 24 2012 18:21 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:14 Waxangel wrote:how the fuck did OGN get stuck in the middle of this  We can only hope that they realise how many foreign viewers they will lose by only having KeSPA players and put pressure on KeSPA to fix this.
I always believed foreign viewers didn't matter much as Korean viewers. They don't care, and most of their corporations are Korean based (and Samsung doesn't have to worry, it's too big and their products are too good to be affected by this hiccup).
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On August 26 2012 07:00 goneim wrote:
Surprised to see Oz still in the OSL round of 16:O
He was at MLG (left Korea before all the shit went down) and haven't been able to make an official stance yet.
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On August 24 2012 18:43 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:35 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:28 ShadeR wrote:
LOL way to lose your moral high ground by exiting a league you've already committed to as well as participated in. Because KeSPA decision was tremendously moral. Seriously....... Did you even read what i wrote? Yes, he is implying that you can pull unmoral stuff on a party which did the same before without losing the moral high ground. That's at least his personal opinion. Exactly. I think you can't judge the decision itself without comparing wich what caused it. I don't like it personnally, because if it means the end of this OSL, then it's extremely sad for both parties players and fans overall... But then, when someone shoot you with a gun, are you gonna just reply by asking them gently to stop ? Some pull a gun and shoot back... Thats complete bullshit. You cannot possibly equate deciding not the participate in a tourney to completely pulling out of a tourney that you've already committed to, the Ro16 no less. It's a false equivalence. Whatever moral highground they might have gained resulting from KeSPA's move is all but done the gutter.
I agree completely. Pulling out of the Ro16 is blasphemous. It would have been more correct to not participate in the next OSL instead of pulling a dick move like this.
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On August 27 2012 10:40 Garaman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:43 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:35 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:28 ShadeR wrote:
LOL way to lose your moral high ground by exiting a league you've already committed to as well as participated in. Because KeSPA decision was tremendously moral. Seriously....... Did you even read what i wrote? Yes, he is implying that you can pull unmoral stuff on a party which did the same before without losing the moral high ground. That's at least his personal opinion. Exactly. I think you can't judge the decision itself without comparing wich what caused it. I don't like it personnally, because if it means the end of this OSL, then it's extremely sad for both parties players and fans overall... But then, when someone shoot you with a gun, are you gonna just reply by asking them gently to stop ? Some pull a gun and shoot back... Thats complete bullshit. You cannot possibly equate deciding not the participate in a tourney to completely pulling out of a tourney that you've already committed to, the Ro16 no less. It's a false equivalence. Whatever moral highground they might have gained resulting from KeSPA's move is all but done the gutter. I agree completely. Pulling out of the Ro16 is blasphemous. It would have been more correct to not participate in the next OSL instead of pulling a dick move like this.
Only moves like this can cause a change...
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On August 27 2012 10:40 Garaman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:43 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:35 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:28 ShadeR wrote:
LOL way to lose your moral high ground by exiting a league you've already committed to as well as participated in. Because KeSPA decision was tremendously moral. Seriously....... Did you even read what i wrote? Yes, he is implying that you can pull unmoral stuff on a party which did the same before without losing the moral high ground. That's at least his personal opinion. Exactly. I think you can't judge the decision itself without comparing wich what caused it. I don't like it personnally, because if it means the end of this OSL, then it's extremely sad for both parties players and fans overall... But then, when someone shoot you with a gun, are you gonna just reply by asking them gently to stop ? Some pull a gun and shoot back... Thats complete bullshit. You cannot possibly equate deciding not the participate in a tourney to completely pulling out of a tourney that you've already committed to, the Ro16 no less. It's a false equivalence. Whatever moral highground they might have gained resulting from KeSPA's move is all but done the gutter. I agree completely. Pulling out of the Ro16 is blasphemous. It would have been more correct to not participate in the next OSL instead of pulling a dick move like this.
You realize next OSL won't start until after GSL 5 prelim is over right?
And if they did it people will be like "WTF why you wait 2 months to respond? You clearly try to pull something! Total dick!"
When people slap you you would and should respond right away, not finish whatever you are doing THEN respond, that would make no sense.
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ESF,KESPA,GOM,OGN...For those wrestling fans out there who thinks we'll see a WCW vs WWF type of situation in Korean esports?
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I support the reaction. It's little overreacted, but it is understandable if you remind about what was happen in Gom classic in BW.
Also ESF is not a group of sponsours and owner of clubs. It is organization of players and coaches kind of like a labor union.
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You can't out think NESTEA
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On August 27 2012 10:40 Garaman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:43 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:39 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:35 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 18:34 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:29 Ragnarork wrote:On August 24 2012 18:28 ShadeR wrote:
LOL way to lose your moral high ground by exiting a league you've already committed to as well as participated in. Because KeSPA decision was tremendously moral. Seriously....... Did you even read what i wrote? Yes, he is implying that you can pull unmoral stuff on a party which did the same before without losing the moral high ground. That's at least his personal opinion. Exactly. I think you can't judge the decision itself without comparing wich what caused it. I don't like it personnally, because if it means the end of this OSL, then it's extremely sad for both parties players and fans overall... But then, when someone shoot you with a gun, are you gonna just reply by asking them gently to stop ? Some pull a gun and shoot back... Thats complete bullshit. You cannot possibly equate deciding not the participate in a tourney to completely pulling out of a tourney that you've already committed to, the Ro16 no less. It's a false equivalence. Whatever moral highground they might have gained resulting from KeSPA's move is all but done the gutter. I agree completely. Pulling out of the Ro16 is blasphemous. It would have been more correct to not participate in the next OSL instead of pulling a dick move like this.
yea and kespa has never been known to manipulate situations in their favor, what a dumb move from esf
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On August 27 2012 15:53 ke_ivan wrote:
You can't out think NESTEA
Hundreds of people can outthink Nestea, and did when he was a mediocre 2v2 player in BW. He's not man enough to face a real S-class Kespa pro, even at this early stage.
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EPT
