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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 25 2012 15:49 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: wat ESF is forcing kespa to play nice, so in the end they'll both play nice. ESF is standing up to the bully, Kespa, which are the douchebags and have been for quite a while. ESF's move is not a dick move at all. Kespa was basically calling for it. its two representative entities who are both not standing for the interests of the players they are supposed to represent, what do ESF players have to gain from not being a part of the first SC2 OSL, what do Kespa players have to gain from not being a part of GSL. They are both dicks. If ESF was so great why isn't slayers a part of it. | ||
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henzi
United States200 Posts
In lieu of that meeting and starting a hybrid system, what's the first thing KESPA does to be more globally available? make a binding contract with MLG and only MLG (and to which players haven't joined as competitors). What's the 2nd thing they did to be global? Deny all their players entry into GSL. I only assume because WCS was a Blizzard originating event (is that right?) that KESPA was forced to send players. | ||
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henzi
United States200 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:04 Caihead wrote: its two representative entities who are both not standing for the interests of the players they are supposed to represent, what do ESF players have to gain from not being a part of the first SC2 OSL, what do Kespa players have to gain from not being a part of GSL. They are both dicks. If ESF was so great why isn't slayers a part of it. So because one team isn't part of it, you're wondering what's so great about ESF? Edit: I guess I should really edit my first post with this in...sorry | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
Hopefully, ESF's activity is illegal and constitutes breach of contract... but it's possible they'll get away with it. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:06 henzi wrote: So because one team isn't part of it, you're wondering what's so great about ESF? Edit: I guess I should really edit my first post with this in...sorry Are you suggesting Slayers isn't significant to esports. Also the point is that they are both dicks and have been, which is pretty much a consensus for Kespa but no one is saying a word about ESF. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:11 Severedevil wrote: Kespa declined participation in the qualifiers for the qualifying tournament for one season of one tournament. ESF is trying to blackmail them with threats to sabotage an ongoing tournament. Hopefully, ESF's activity is illegal and constitutes breach of contract... but it's possible they'll get away with it. Kespa suing about a broken contract would be really ironical. | ||
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Solarist
291 Posts
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:11 Severedevil wrote: Kespa declined participation in the qualifiers for the qualifying tournament for one season of one tournament. ESF is trying to blackmail them with threats to sabotage an ongoing tournament. Hopefully, ESF's activity is illegal and constitutes breach of contract... but it's possible they'll get away with it. Actually, this is be the second time they decided not to partake in the qualifiers. The first, however, was completely understandable. GSL S3 started around the same time as the current proleague. People are worried, with good reason, that KeSPA would continue to not partake in the GSL. Hopefully ESF's activity is not illegal. Hopefully everyone can come to an agreement that benefits each party and then stick to it. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On August 25 2012 14:23 Benjamin99 wrote: Yea, I don't understand that. If people really cares about starcraft in Korea and as a global Esport they should be fighting Kespa. I got no idea why some people support Kespa. All i care about is the quality of the games as a viewer. I don't give two shits whenever it is at OSL, GSL , PL or a foreign tournament or what the players want . I don't want players participaing in 31231221312131 different tournaments all the time playing mediocre games all the time . I liked the quality of games Kespa produced in BW , and it took their players 3 months to get to the level of top GSL players in 2 years . Progamer is a serious job in Kespa . They get paid for working - practising the game , not just flying around showing off your sponsors all the time like EG for example . Yes thats work as well although a different one that i don't care about . If Kespa deemed it to intensive for players to go in to other tournaments , harming the quaility of their players's games , they have every right to pull out from that league . Also Proleague is their home league it's where their sponsors are getting their advertisement and it's what the Kespa players are geting paid for , they practise for OSL and other tournaments in their free time or if the team lets them . | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
its two representative entities who are both not standing for the interests of the players they are supposed to represent, what do ESF players have to gain from not being a part of the first SC2 OSL, what do Kespa players have to gain from not being a part of GSL. They are both dicks. If ESF was so great why isn't slayers a part of it. its funny how you think "slayers is not part of it cuz esf sucks " Kespa has a history. A few years ago kespa demanded broadcasting fees from Gom tv (gom classic back then) and gom tv declined cuz they already got permission from blizzard, who is entitled to intellectual property regarding starcraft. Kespa responded by pulling out their players from gom classic and gom had to call it quits. now kespa is doing it again to screw gom over. Esf responded to this. youre saying as if it was both parties' fault when it is actually Kespa who started all this.You go ask EVERY fucking korean who eagerly followed brood war scene and theyll tell you how much fucked up kespa is. Even hardcore brood war fanboys in korea hate kespa and you know what? theres always a reason for it. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:11 Severedevil wrote: Kespa declined participation in the qualifiers for the qualifying tournament for one season of one tournament. ESF is trying to blackmail them with threats to sabotage an ongoing tournament. Hopefully, ESF's activity is illegal and constitutes breach of contract... but it's possible they'll get away with it. Kespa declined the 2 upcoming GSL seasons before ESF did what they did. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:04 Caihead wrote: its two representative entities who are both not standing for the interests of the players they are supposed to represent, what do ESF players have to gain from not being a part of the first SC2 OSL, what do Kespa players have to gain from not being a part of GSL. They are both dicks. If ESF was so great why isn't slayers a part of it. One representative entity held a meeting with players and coaches alike to decide unanimously what to do and Nestea himself came out to make the final announcement. The other had players and coaches talking about how much they'd love to participate in the GSL at almost every chance they got, but their desires meant shit. ESF players came together to discuss what would be in their best interest while the KeSPA sponsors didn't give a shit what their players/coaches wanted. One is a players union designed to prevent control, the other controls players more like slaves than employees. | ||
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PhoenixDark
United States286 Posts
On August 25 2012 06:42 naastyOne wrote: Here, is quite an insidefull quote of the thing called KeSPA. They create a partnership, and player exchange possibilities. Then, they create a shedule: So, their players are bussy almost all the time, and therefore only aviable for KeSPA itself. No magic, only the facts. You believe this nonsense? There are plenty of Kespa players who are not participating in OSL, WCS, or MLG right now. You're telling me that players like Effort or Trap could not attend Code A? Or a host of other good players? Stop spinning nonsense | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10328 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:04 Caihead wrote: its two representative entities who are both not standing for the interests of the players they are supposed to represent, what do ESF players have to gain from not being a part of the first SC2 OSL, what do Kespa players have to gain from not being a part of GSL. They are both dicks. If ESF was so great why isn't slayers a part of it. You know that ESF is basically all GSL teams except slayers... right? and that they have player representatives on the team, so that ESF is actually basically the teams' combined opinion...? Meanwhile, that's not the case with kespa. What do they gain? Forcing Kespa to join GSL. Allowing Kespa players more opportunities. Helping the players out. What does Kespa gain? They use GSL's players to help their league, but they don't share their own players in return. Kespa is the one playing mean ;O @Salazarz That site only documents their earnings, not their salaries o.o they get separate salaries from their teams. Also, don't forget about streaming money. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:04 Caihead wrote: its two representative entities who are both not standing for the interests of the players they are supposed to represent, what do ESF players have to gain from not being a part of the first SC2 OSL, what do Kespa players have to gain from not being a part of GSL. They are both dicks. If ESF was so great why isn't slayers a part of it. You're missing probably the biggest point here. ESF as a governing body is democratic, they didn't force the players to leave, they themselves came to a conclusion, that it would be bad for their future to play in the OSL, because it would be the only league with both Kespa and GOM players, thus gaining more popularity and possibly killing GOM in the future. Kespa on the other hand didn't ask their players, they were forbidden from joining the GSL. Just think about it, not all of them can be that busy, so the time constraint was just pure bullshit on their part. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 25 2012 16:11 Severedevil wrote: Kespa declined participation in the qualifiers for the qualifying tournament for one season of one tournament. ESF is trying to blackmail them with threats to sabotage an ongoing tournament. Hopefully, ESF's activity is illegal and constitutes breach of contract... but it's possible they'll get away with it. Obviously the players are afraid that Kespa might start doing the things it did in the past. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
So their concern feels to be more of a long term issue in balancing SPL and GSL, since SPL is still their main priority, and I don't think it's fair to use "those players have nothing else to do now" as a reason to condemn Kespa for not allowing them to take part in GSL. Afterall, just because they're free to play now doesn't mean they won't make it to Code S and stay in Code S and have clashes with future seasons of SPL. Though, that being said, Kespa's reasoning does seem kinda weak, firstly because Gomtv seems very open to and forgiving in terms of scheduling and clashes. Secondly, if they were really worried of this type of clash, it wouldn't matter if they started in GSL Season 4 or GSL Season 5. Such clashes would still occur as GSL Season 5 would still be linked to the future seasons, unless they're hoping that they'd be able to plan so far into the future. Can they really plan so far ahead? 0.o *shrugs* | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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