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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 27 2012 07:32 GMT
#1581
On August 27 2012 16:30 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 15:53 ke_ivan wrote:
You can't out think NESTEA

Hundreds of people can outthink Nestea, and did when he was a mediocre 2v2 player in BW. He's not man enough to face a real S-class Kespa pro, even at this early stage.


That's funny flash even commented how smart nestea was, he just didn't have the speed to pull it off and that was why he was never super great at broodwar was he was to slow.

^^
When I think of something else, something will go here
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 07:49:20
August 27 2012 07:34 GMT
#1582
On August 27 2012 16:32 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 16:30 0neder wrote:
On August 27 2012 15:53 ke_ivan wrote:
You can't out think NESTEA

Hundreds of people can outthink Nestea, and did when he was a mediocre 2v2 player in BW. He's not man enough to face a real S-class Kespa pro, even at this early stage.


That's funny flash even commented how smart nestea was, he just didn't have the speed to pull it off and that was why he was never super great at broodwar was he was to slow.

^^

Don't the coaches of a team coach how to play vs their race as well? More to the point though, the Nestea thing is obviously an Artosis joke, no need for the other poster to get so seriously about it.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 27 2012 09:14 GMT
#1583
Man I was really lookin forward to Parting playing tomorrow, but I respect the ESF standing up for a larger principle.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5861 Posts
August 27 2012 09:34 GMT
#1584
On August 27 2012 16:32 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 16:30 0neder wrote:
On August 27 2012 15:53 ke_ivan wrote:
You can't out think NESTEA

Hundreds of people can outthink Nestea, and did when he was a mediocre 2v2 player in BW. He's not man enough to face a real S-class Kespa pro, even at this early stage.


That's funny flash even commented how smart nestea was, he just didn't have the speed to pull it off and that was why he was never super great at broodwar was he was to slow.

^^


Flash was just being polite. Otherwise nestea would've been comparable to other low apm players, while in reality he was a scrub in 1v1. Somehow savior got to bonjwa level with mere 200-250 apm, but the godly strategist zergbong was unable to qualify for an individual league even once (iirc)?
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 27 2012 11:16 GMT
#1585
Yeah it's actually a bit insulting to other A-grade BW progamers that have relatively low APM (Stork, Movie etc.) when Zergbong apologists try to rationalize his subpar BW record.
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
August 27 2012 11:23 GMT
#1586
Can we stop comparing different games plz?
People can be great at bw and never become good at sc2 and vice versa.

Nestea is a great sc2 player. Maybe the difference in practice regimen, newly sparked motivation or just the difference in games is what made him great at sc2. Maybe we will see Flash and Jaedong dominate sc2 in a couple months and ZergBong being mediocre again. Nobody knows.
muLe
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany30 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 21:13:26
October 17 2012 19:06 GMT
#1587
deleted, wrong thread, sorry
EU-Server ID: HotPotToFU
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
October 17 2012 19:46 GMT
#1588
On October 18 2012 04:06 muLe wrote:
After all of the 1st Translation, I think that ESF is an Organization that primary target is to maximize their non-members disadvantage in order to have an advantage for the own members.

Not an Organization that has the wealth of Esports globally in mind.

Sure someone can argue that one group action egoistic can be beneficial for the whole community.
I do not like these kind of methods.

Waiting for what the other side has to say, ... but I don't think that the ESF Team Coaches are all innocent in this drama.


..what?
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muLe
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany30 Posts
October 17 2012 21:13 GMT
#1589
On October 18 2012 04:46 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 04:06 muLe wrote:
After all of the 1st Translation, I think that ESF is an Organization that primary target is to maximize their non-members disadvantage in order to have an advantage for the own members.

Not an Organization that has the wealth of Esports globally in mind.

Sure someone can argue that one group action egoistic can be beneficial for the whole community.
I do not like these kind of methods.

Waiting for what the other side has to say, ... but I don't think that the ESF Team Coaches are all innocent in this drama.


..what?

oh sorry, wrong thread ... my bad
EU-Server ID: HotPotToFU
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