EPTOn August 23 2012 19:43 TBXII wrote:
KeSPA is like the f***ing Grinch.
KeSPA is like the f***ing Grinch.
At least the Grinch changed for better in the end. KeSPA will never change.
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
At least the Grinch changed for better in the end. KeSPA will never change. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:30 Nostalgia.NA wrote: It's funny that you think Kespa isn't letting them go to MLG or GSL because they don't want them getting smashed. The whole reason why Kespa is doing all this in the first place is the exact opposite of what you said. They have seen Kespa players do very well in WCS and whatnot against the GSL players. This confidence in their players' skill is leading them to believe that their players can hold their own against the GSL players in the OSL, leading them to shut out GSL by keeping the skilled Kespa players for themselves. This mean only the OSL will have the rivalry of Kespa vs non-Kespa in a decently competitive form in terms of who wins and who loses, while GSL is only left the non-Kespa players, which means it will be a very lame, storyless league compared to the fiery rivalry that the OSL will have. Thats a very interesting take on it. It does make sense from a Kespa perspective. | ||
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:45 TheAmazombie wrote: I assume that they can, but they are under contact to their teams and therefore Kespa. Once that contract is up or if they want to buy themselves out of it they can I am sure. Although I imagine there being pressure of all sorts of stuff :/ | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:43 mememolly wrote: Salary.what is stopping jaedong flash et al from leaving kespa and just joining a team (korean or otherwise) and competing in gsl and all the other tourneys? On another note, I wonder if Boxer knew of this when he rejoined T1. If he didn't, what would he have thought of it now. (And if he did, I would have lost all my respect for him.) | ||
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote: Salary. On another note, I wonder if Boxer knew of this when he rejoined T1. If he didn't, what would he have thought of it now. (And if he did, I would have lost all my respect for him.) Easy now, that's The Emperor your talking about, losing respect is not an option. OT: Sad move KeSPA, get over yourselfs! | ||
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:30 Nostalgia.NA wrote: It's funny that you think Kespa isn't letting them go to MLG or GSL because they don't want them getting smashed. The whole reason why Kespa is doing all this in the first place is the exact opposite of what you said. They have seen Kespa players do very well in WCS and whatnot against the GSL players. This confidence in their players' skill is leading them to believe that their players can hold their own against the GSL players in the OSL, leading them to shut out GSL by keeping the skilled Kespa players for themselves. This mean only the OSL will have the rivalry of Kespa vs non-Kespa in a decently competitive form in terms of who wins and who loses, while GSL is only left the non-Kespa players, which means it will be a very lame, storyless league compared to the fiery rivalry that the OSL will have. Yes but even if BW players have a huge fan base(and they do) they don't have a bigger appeal to the big SC2 masses of MC; MVP, stephano, naniwa, Nestea, DRG or MKP etc.. Don't get me wrong i want to see the big guns like Jaedong, flash and bisu.. But a flash vs baby, Jaedong vs hero(one of the bw ones) or Bisu vs (insert random kespa unknown) is not the biggest thing in the world.. But flash vs MVP, Jaedong vs MKP or Bisu vs MC would be way more interesting, those are the types of games i suspect most people want to see.. Doa won't make up for tastosis and GSL gives a fuck about us.. they do shit for us, they accept our feedback and improve and do stuff for the foreign community because they give a shit.. I feel Kespa will lose in the end.. | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:39 Sombre wrote: Already waited almost 2 years. What's another few months? I think the concern is that Kespa saw that their players are getting better quicker than they expected and is trying to regain the monopoly position they had in BW. If that's the idea here, it's not just about how long we wait. It's about whether it happens at all. They cite scheduling, but I don't see any reason this season has bad scheduling that would conflict a lot, but future seasons would somehow be better. The fact that Blizzard makes any statement like that makes me think this goes against private agreements and that Blizzard is worried about exactly that sort of power grab. Really, as long as 8 of the top teams in the world are all part of one joint bargaining group, that group is going to have insane sway over how the game is played. SC2 in my opinion needs a real international governing body, and that can only be Blizzard. It's risky, because if they do it badly they can kill the whole scene, but I don't think there's much alternative. (And if they are going to step in and really prevent problems, they should also start by banning Kespa's exclusive deal with MLG.) | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On August 23 2012 18:36 Chenz wrote: But by the definition of the word, many GSL players are progamers. I'm honestly disgusted that a tournament organizer has this amount of control that KeSPA has over players participating in their league. Here's to hoping players will break away from KeSPA, but I doubt that will ever happen. well mb you should know that KeSPA are the teams and fuck yes Teams have power over their players. and they never siad they will play in GSL this season or whatever. dunno why so many people are bitching. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:06 JustPassingBy wrote: I just think that it is disgusting that their teams prohibit them from participating in an individual league. If they don't want to participate, then they don't have to. But at least allow the players who want to participate to do what they want. These teams function like teams. Players can't just go play whatever tournament they feel like, because by doing that, they would be spending TIME preparing for and playing in that tournament. The TIME that they're being PAID to spend differently - they're being paid to be team members and train and play for their team. That is their job. They don't get to do whatever they want on their job during work hours, nobody does. There is nothing disgusting about that, it's perfectly natural, and it's how actual sports teams function everywhere. Everywhere. The problem here is that a lot of people are applying the western esports "team" logic to these teams and are then confounded by how the Kespa teams don't fit into that same frame. But these organizations are fundamentally different in every single way. Kespa teams are sports teams. Western teams (and GOM teams in the last year and a half) are merely marketing companies and (relative to players) some weird cross between an agency and a sponsor. A player's job on a western team is to bring exposure to the team and its sponsors. A player's job on a Kespa team is to listen to his coaches, follow the training regimen and prepare for games he's told to prepare for. Some teams have a more loose structure than the others, but obviously no team will let their players do whatever they want and play in any league they want and still pay them salaries. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:52 rasers wrote: well mb you should know that KeSPA are the teams and fuck yes Teams have power over their players. and they never siad they will play in GSL this season or whatever. dunno why so many people are bitching. ...because they said they would play in GSL this season... | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:49 pAzand wrote: Easy now, that's The Emperor your talking about, losing respect is not an option. There is always a reason to lose respect for someone. I wouldn't think too deeply on this one though, I somehow doubt he had any idea. KESPA doesn't strike me as an organisation that shares any of their business decisions with the employees. I never watched BW so the concerns many people voiced over the months about KESPA moving into SC2 didn't have any foundation for me, I just didn't know. I thought everything seemed good as they joined, tournaments working together, Blizzard trying to unite them, etc. Then they do a massive dick move like this, well GOMTV is what got me into SC2 and is what's kept me in for about a year and a half now, maybe a bit more. They'll retain my loyalty, whereas KESPA can go fuck themselves. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: While it's a pity that the Kespa players won't be playing just yet, I'll still obviously be watching the GSL... it's still the premier league. Probably the case for now, but what in a couple of months when Kespa players are doing as good as GSL players, or maybe even better ? GSL would lose a lot of value. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7967 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:54 bittman wrote: ...because they said they would play in GSL this season... well source or idc. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:55 Bazzyrick wrote: There is always a reason to lose respect for someone. I wouldn't think too deeply on this one though, I somehow doubt he had any idea. KESPA doesn't strike me as an organisation that shares any of their business decisions with the employees. They're famously secretive. I think there were teams practicing SC2 months and months before the switch because they thought it was right around the corner (was it Khan?) I never watched BW so the concerns many people voiced over the months about KESPA moving into SC2 didn't have any foundation for me, I just didn't know. I thought everything seemed good as they joined, tournaments working together, Blizzard trying to unite them, etc. Then they do a massive dick move like this, well GOMTV is what got me into SC2 and is what's kept me in for about a year and a half now, maybe a bit more. They'll retain my loyalty, whereas KESPA can go fuck themselves. It's not just "a dick move", it's the dick move they pull ALL THE TIME, and they killed GOMTV Classic that way | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 23 2012 19:57 Markwerf wrote: why would Kespa do this? what do they have to lose from letting their players compete... It's rediculous how players that were good in one game get 'protected' for another game... They get everyone watching OSL instead of GSL. They're trying to take out the GSL. | ||
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