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hmm kespa why? 
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All i have to say is this is complete BS. So glad blizzard is stepping in and hopefull can do something about this. I will always watch GOM no matter what because honestly even code B koreans are still fucking amazing. But still they deserve much more then this. KESPA, they are being nice, be nice back ffs.
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Also, for all the new SC2 fans, the official way to refer to KeSPA in these kinds of things is "Dogspa"
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So Sad to see money and selfish interested in action in eSport. Kespa and GomTV together could have been so great for eSport instead of this we will have some stupid drama.
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Blizzard needs to step in and do something about it.
there are GSL players competing in the OSL.
why be dicks about it just to gain some popularity
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On August 23 2012 19:57 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 19:54 bittman wrote:On August 23 2012 19:52 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 18:36 Chenz wrote:On August 23 2012 18:32 Kommander wrote:On August 23 2012 18:28 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 23 2012 18:26 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 23 2012 16:50 Canucklehead wrote:
Kespa wielding their iron grip again, which I find kind of sad. No free will for the players. Each WCS player in their interview said they would like to play in qualifiers, but it's up to their team. Always with that caveat of needing team permission. They're trained well. Because they are pros, GSL players are just semi pros. What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful. KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs. But by the definition of the word, many GSL players are progamers. I'm honestly disgusted that a tournament organizer has this amount of control that KeSPA has over players participating in their league. Here's to hoping players will break away from KeSPA, but I doubt that will ever happen. well mb you should know that KeSPA are the teams and fuck yes Teams have power over their players. and they never siad they will play in GSL this season or whatever. dunno why so many people are bitching. ...because they said they would play in GSL this season... well source or idc.
Hmm well I guess not officially. Perhaps Gom simply jumped the gun? There is that possibility.
Link to S4 Code A prelim announcement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360978
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On August 23 2012 19:45 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 19:30 Nostalgia.NA wrote:On August 23 2012 19:25 Ammanas wrote:
meh, everybody with half a brain had to see this coming - KESPA is kinda smart and doesn't want their stars to get smashed in the hell that is Code A qualifiers by some "no-names". In OSL/WCS they can at least say "ya, they are one of the best GOM progamers, all Code S level, so no shame in losing to them". If they lose in Code A qualifiers, well there's no excuse. I expect they won't participate in anything like this at least till HotS.
That's probably also the reason why they don't send anybody to MLG - only thing worse than losing in Code A qualifiers would have to be losing to foreigners ;-)
Also, don't forget this is not BW, if KESPA doesn't play nice, Blizz has something to say this time - they can even shut them down completely if it would come to worst case scenario... It's funny that you think Kespa isn't letting them go to MLG or GSL because they don't want them getting smashed. The whole reason why Kespa is doing all this in the first place is the exact opposite of what you said. They have seen Kespa players do very well in WCS and whatnot against the GSL players. This confidence in their players' skill is leading them to believe that their players can hold their own against the GSL players in the OSL, leading them to shut out GSL by keeping the skilled Kespa players for themselves. This mean only the OSL will have the rivalry of Kespa vs non-Kespa in a decently competitive form in terms of who wins and who loses, while GSL is only left the non-Kespa players, which means it will be a very lame, storyless league compared to the fiery rivalry that the OSL will have. Thats a very interesting take on it. It does make sense from a Kespa perspective.
I just hope people don't "reward" kespa for it and watch OSL instead of GSL because of this exclusion.
Let your money talk, boycutt kespa's tournaments. Otherwise they'll never learn.
(they might not anyway, but then they'll die)
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On August 23 2012 19:58 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 19:57 Markwerf wrote:
why would Kespa do this? what do they have to lose from letting their players compete... It's rediculous how players that were good in one game get 'protected' for another game... They get everyone watching OSL instead of GSL. They're trying to take out the GSL.
The honestly have no reason to do so. OSL coexisted with the MSL for a really long time and I don't see why they should not coexist with GSL. Obviously GSL runs a lot more events a year than MSL, but that's something which can be worked out eventually next year.
Also OSL is run by OGN and if anything OGN have shown that they are more keen to work with GOM than KeSPA.
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On August 23 2012 20:01 Ribbon wrote:
Also, for all the new SC2 fans, the official way to refer to KeSPA in these kinds of things is "Dogspa"
If I may ask, what's the exact origin of that term? I followed BW but not too far in to know that term. :p
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This sounds like Kespa wants to hurt GSL viewer numbers to me.. I judge that because of Blizzard's opinion that they are disconcerted.. stupid Kespa.. if they do mess with GSL I wont watch their stuff.
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On August 23 2012 20:02 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:01 Ribbon wrote:
Also, for all the new SC2 fans, the official way to refer to KeSPA in these kinds of things is "Dogspa" If I may ask, what's the exact origin of that term? I followed BW but not too far in to know that term. :p
Korean fans' meme
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If the non-Kespa part of SC2 wanted to play hardball here, the correct response would be to pull their players out of OSL mid-tournament (or at least to threaten to unless this is changed).
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What's with all the stupid comments? KeSPA players are obviously not playing anywhere NEAR their full potential still, the best of them can hold their own most of the time but there are big gaps in their understanding of the game that are very obvious, on top of that they have no experience whatsoever playing in tournaments of MLG format. It'd make no sense for them to split their attention between half a dozen different tournaments right now, much rather see them focus on one thing at a time and take it slow. PL and OSL are by far the most important things for any KeSPA team, so of course they want to make sure they will do as well as they can there, everything else is secondary, and that's fine.
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On August 23 2012 20:02 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On August 23 2012 19:57 Markwerf wrote:
why would Kespa do this? what do they have to lose from letting their players compete... It's rediculous how players that were good in one game get 'protected' for another game... They get everyone watching OSL instead of GSL. They're trying to take out the GSL. The honestly have no reason to do so. OSL coexisted with the MSL for a really long time and I don't see why they should not coexist with GSL. Obviously GSL runs a lot more events a year than MSL, but that's something which can be worked out eventually next year. Also OSL is run by OGN and if anything OGN have shown that they are more keen to work with GOM than KeSPA.
MBC was a Kespa member as far as I know, GOM isn't.
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It was always going to be an uneven battle between Kespa and GSL since the latter has no power over the the teams participating in the GSL. They cant say "oh alright, then no GSL players will participate in the OSL". Hard to say what would happen if GSL actually had that power. Maybe there would be a healthy power balance between GSL and Kespa, or it might just make things worse and increase the conflict.
Perhaps the GSL teams will talk to each other and say that they wont participate in the OSL untill the drama is solved. Kind of a strike  Well, ill just keep dreaming....
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The funniest thing that could happen (which never will) would be for Blizzard to say "Sorry to hear your players aren't up to competing yet, we certainly don't want you broadcasting subpar matched, we'll recind your license to broadcast until your players are ready"
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On August 23 2012 20:02 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:01 Ribbon wrote:
Also, for all the new SC2 fans, the official way to refer to KeSPA in these kinds of things is "Dogspa" If I may ask, what's the exact origin of that term? I followed BW but not too far in to know that term. :p
the korean word for dog is 개 which will be added to insult something. And it sounds like Kespa. Therefore Dogspa
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On August 23 2012 20:02 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 19:57 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 19:54 bittman wrote:On August 23 2012 19:52 rasers wrote:On August 23 2012 18:36 Chenz wrote:On August 23 2012 18:32 Kommander wrote:On August 23 2012 18:28 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 23 2012 18:26 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 23 2012 16:50 Canucklehead wrote:
Kespa wielding their iron grip again, which I find kind of sad. No free will for the players. Each WCS player in their interview said they would like to play in qualifiers, but it's up to their team. Always with that caveat of needing team permission. They're trained well. Because they are pros, GSL players are just semi pros. What? Define a pro. While some of the GSL players are not making a ton of money and a few are splitting playing with school, most of them are playing full time and some are really monetarily successful. KeSPA gives out progamer licenses. GSL players don't have them, so by KeSPA standards, they are semi-pros or amateurs. But by the definition of the word, many GSL players are progamers. I'm honestly disgusted that a tournament organizer has this amount of control that KeSPA has over players participating in their league. Here's to hoping players will break away from KeSPA, but I doubt that will ever happen. well mb you should know that KeSPA are the teams and fuck yes Teams have power over their players. and they never siad they will play in GSL this season or whatever. dunno why so many people are bitching. ...because they said they would play in GSL this season... well source or idc. Hmm well I guess not officially. Perhaps Gom simply jumped the gun? There is that possibility. Link to S4 Code A prelim announcement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360978
Yeah, so GOM never said they were going to play, but that they can. Some of the KeSPa player said that they wanted to play in the GSL, and I believe that when there had their conference thing awhile back there was some comments from KeSPa in line with something like letting their players play in the GSL.
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On August 23 2012 20:03 Salazarz wrote:
What's with all the stupid comments? KeSPA players are obviously not playing anywhere NEAR their full potential still, the best of them can hold their own most of the time but there are big gaps in their understanding of the game that are very obvious, on top of that they have no experience whatsoever playing in tournaments of MLG format. It'd make no sense for them to split their attention between half a dozen different tournaments right now, much rather see them focus on one thing at a time and take it slow. PL and OSL are by far the most important things for any KeSPA team, so of course they want to make sure they will do as well as they can there, everything else is secondary, and that's fine.
They are already competing against eachother so I see little reason not to go for the GSL qualifiers. Blizzard has even said they are disconcerted by this move. That sounds not too good to me.
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On August 23 2012 20:02 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 19:58 Ribbon wrote:On August 23 2012 19:57 Markwerf wrote:
why would Kespa do this? what do they have to lose from letting their players compete... It's rediculous how players that were good in one game get 'protected' for another game... They get everyone watching OSL instead of GSL. They're trying to take out the GSL. The honestly have no reason to do so. OSL coexisted with the MSL for a really long time and I don't see why they should not coexist with GSL. Obviously GSL runs a lot more events a year than MSL, but that's something which can be worked out eventually next year. Also OSL is run by OGN and if anything OGN have shown that they are more keen to work with GOM than KeSPA.
Yeah but the thing is that MSL was still under KeSPA's grip, with KeSPA rules and regulations and all that. GSL is an entirely independent organization.
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