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Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
August 23 2012 11:05 GMT
#321
On August 23 2012 20:03 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:02 Kommander wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:01 Ribbon wrote:
Also, for all the new SC2 fans, the official way to refer to KeSPA in these kinds of things is "Dogspa"


If I may ask, what's the exact origin of that term? I followed BW but not too far in to know that term. :p


Korean fans' meme


But,,,, dogs are awesome? O_o
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
August 23 2012 11:08 GMT
#322
Oh look, KeSPA is being KeSPA, I found it interesting that so many people are suprised that they act like inconsiderate morons. KeSPA has always been a group of incosiderate assholes.
You need to construct additional pylons.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 11:08:43
August 23 2012 11:08 GMT
#323
Now to think of it, I guess there was good reason to form the federation after all. Not because of the players, but because of the organization.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 11:09:17
August 23 2012 11:08 GMT
#324
From what this tells me, it seems like a plain dick move by KeSPA. But hopefully we'll get better insight soon.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
August 23 2012 11:08 GMT
#325
On August 23 2012 20:04 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:03 Salazarz wrote:
What's with all the stupid comments? KeSPA players are obviously not playing anywhere NEAR their full potential still, the best of them can hold their own most of the time but there are big gaps in their understanding of the game that are very obvious, on top of that they have no experience whatsoever playing in tournaments of MLG format. It'd make no sense for them to split their attention between half a dozen different tournaments right now, much rather see them focus on one thing at a time and take it slow. PL and OSL are by far the most important things for any KeSPA team, so of course they want to make sure they will do as well as they can there, everything else is secondary, and that's fine.

They are already competing against eachother so I see little reason not to go for the GSL qualifiers. Blizzard has even said they are disconcerted by this move. That sounds not too good to me.


They are competing against each other in WCS yeah, and you can absolutely tell that KeSPA players are still leagues behind GSL players in many departments. They show excellent play when they are doing something they're confident in, but they're awful at dealing with any 'tricky' builds and situations due to lack of experience - that would absolutely get abused in the GSL setting. It makes no sense at all for them to risk their OSL or PL chances for a chance to go through 1 or 2 rounds of Code A.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 11:10:38
August 23 2012 11:10 GMT
#326
On August 23 2012 20:05 Zinnwaldite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:03 Ribbon wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:02 Kommander wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:01 Ribbon wrote:
Also, for all the new SC2 fans, the official way to refer to KeSPA in these kinds of things is "Dogspa"


If I may ask, what's the exact origin of that term? I followed BW but not too far in to know that term. :p


Korean fans' meme


But,,,, dogs are awesome? O_o


To put in in context for non-Korean speakers, it is a combination of something like "son of a XXXX" and "KeSPA."

Also, the word for dog sounds like "Ke."

KeSPA: 케스파
"Dogspa": 개스파

See the similarity?
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 23 2012 11:10 GMT
#327
On August 23 2012 20:08 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:04 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:03 Salazarz wrote:
What's with all the stupid comments? KeSPA players are obviously not playing anywhere NEAR their full potential still, the best of them can hold their own most of the time but there are big gaps in their understanding of the game that are very obvious, on top of that they have no experience whatsoever playing in tournaments of MLG format. It'd make no sense for them to split their attention between half a dozen different tournaments right now, much rather see them focus on one thing at a time and take it slow. PL and OSL are by far the most important things for any KeSPA team, so of course they want to make sure they will do as well as they can there, everything else is secondary, and that's fine.

They are already competing against eachother so I see little reason not to go for the GSL qualifiers. Blizzard has even said they are disconcerted by this move. That sounds not too good to me.


They are competing against each other in WCS yeah, and you can absolutely tell that KeSPA players are still leagues behind GSL players in many departments. They show excellent play when they are doing something they're confident in, but they're awful at dealing with any 'tricky' builds and situations due to lack of experience - that would absolutely get abused in the GSL setting. It makes no sense at all for them to risk their OSL or PL chances for a chance to go through 1 or 2 rounds of Code A.


They will soon also be playing each other in ProLeague though, where they will be facing off against some of the top players in the world from GSL, so to me it is obviously more than that, it is a business decision to pit PL again GSL.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
August 23 2012 11:10 GMT
#328
I'm willing to give Kespa the benefit of the doubt in this instance and this instance alone. One chance.

I don't think they care though. If people don't vote with their wallets then they can do whatever they want.
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zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
August 23 2012 11:11 GMT
#329
I can see where this is going to lead. With KeSPA players already performing better against the GSL guys, they're banking on the fact that one day the GSL players might be surpassed, in which case OGN is in a great position to become the dominant league as the GSL players won't stop themselves from competing for them however KeSPA teams will be under no obligation to join the GSL which puts GOM in a terrible position of possibly becoming a second-rate league.

I think that has something to do with why Blizzard is stepping in.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 23 2012 11:12 GMT
#330
On August 23 2012 20:10 Goibon wrote:
I'm willing to give Kespa the benefit of the doubt in this instance and this instance alone. One chance.

I don't think they care though. If people don't vote with their wallets then they can do whatever they want.


This is about how I feel. While I am pissed, I am willing to give them a shot and a chance to give them a bit more time with their players, but if they skip allowing people in for Season 5, then we may have some issues.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 23 2012 11:12 GMT
#331
On August 23 2012 20:11 zidaneshead wrote:
I can see where this is going to lead. With KeSPA players already performing better against the GSL guys, they're banking on the fact that one day the GSL players might be surpassed, in which case OGN is in a great position to become the dominant league as the GSL players won't stop themselves from competing for them however KeSPA teams will be under no obligation to join the GSL which puts GOM in a terrible position of possibly becoming a second-rate league.

I think that has something to do with why Blizzard is stepping in.
They don't need to perform better. As long as the KeSPA player's performance is comparable (even if it is worse), they can still achieve the goal you stated, as long as GSL players can compete in the OSL.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 11:13:16
August 23 2012 11:12 GMT
#332
KeSPA starving out GOM again huh?

So much for that "unified vision"...
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 23 2012 11:13 GMT
#333
On August 23 2012 20:12 Blackrobe wrote:
Kespa starving out GOM again huh?

So much for that "unified vision"...
Well, it's unified alright, under one single dictatorship.
TrainSamurai
Profile Joined November 2010
339 Posts
August 23 2012 11:14 GMT
#334
I can't believe you sc2 fans. If GOM wants Flash to play in thier shitty league then they should cough up some dough for the KeSPA salaries. Same for every qualifier.
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imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
August 23 2012 11:14 GMT
#335
I wonder if Blizz will drop the thunder on KeSPA. This is literally the only good example of having no LAN.

Can't wait to see how this plays out.
*eternalenvy fanboy*
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
August 23 2012 11:14 GMT
#336
On August 23 2012 20:10 NHY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:05 Zinnwaldite wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:03 Ribbon wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:02 Kommander wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:01 Ribbon wrote:
Also, for all the new SC2 fans, the official way to refer to KeSPA in these kinds of things is "Dogspa"


If I may ask, what's the exact origin of that term? I followed BW but not too far in to know that term. :p


Korean fans' meme


But,,,, dogs are awesome? O_o


To put in in context for non-Korean speakers, it is a combination of something like "son of a XXXX" and "KeSPA."

Also, the word for dog sounds like "Ke."

KeSPA: 케스파
"Dogspa": 개스파

See the similarity?


Ahhh, now it makes sense xD

thanks.
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
August 23 2012 11:14 GMT
#337
On August 23 2012 20:14 TrainSamurai wrote:
I can't believe you sc2 fans. If GOM wants Flash to play in thier shitty league then they should cough up some dough for the KeSPA salaries. Same for every qualifier.


Yay BW Elitist spotted, Welcome, have a nice stay.
You need to construct additional pylons.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
August 23 2012 11:15 GMT
#338
On August 23 2012 20:14 TrainSamurai wrote:
I can't believe you sc2 fans. If GOM wants Flash to play in thier shitty league then they should cough up some dough for the KeSPA salaries. Same for every qualifier.


Uh, the point is that Flash should be able to play where he wants without KeSPa telling him where he has to play. Also, it is not a shitty league, whether you like it or not, they have done a lot for the scene and the fans.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 23 2012 11:15 GMT
#339
On August 23 2012 20:08 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 20:04 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 23 2012 20:03 Salazarz wrote:
What's with all the stupid comments? KeSPA players are obviously not playing anywhere NEAR their full potential still, the best of them can hold their own most of the time but there are big gaps in their understanding of the game that are very obvious, on top of that they have no experience whatsoever playing in tournaments of MLG format. It'd make no sense for them to split their attention between half a dozen different tournaments right now, much rather see them focus on one thing at a time and take it slow. PL and OSL are by far the most important things for any KeSPA team, so of course they want to make sure they will do as well as they can there, everything else is secondary, and that's fine.

They are already competing against eachother so I see little reason not to go for the GSL qualifiers. Blizzard has even said they are disconcerted by this move. That sounds not too good to me.


They are competing against each other in WCS yeah, and you can absolutely tell that KeSPA players are still leagues behind GSL players in many departments. They show excellent play when they are doing something they're confident in, but they're awful at dealing with any 'tricky' builds and situations due to lack of experience - that would absolutely get abused in the GSL setting. It makes no sense at all for them to risk their OSL or PL chances for a chance to go through 1 or 2 rounds of Code A.

Except that if they tried to qualify for Code A and I am sure some would due to how many of them there are, and succeeded, they could then maybe make the up and downs and perhaps be skilled enough to have a shot at slipping through by that time. Not playing this season means no code S for 2 seasons.
bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
August 23 2012 11:17 GMT
#340
....... this is odd from kespa. A lot of kespa players did so well in WCS already against GSL player. Are they afraid to get embarrassed or something??
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