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I am much more interested in the open bracket at this point :o
oh and the wcs
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On August 23 2012 04:16 OrbitalPlane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:47 Ursadon-n-Pals wrote:On August 23 2012 03:31 OrbitalPlane wrote:On August 23 2012 03:17 Xeris wrote:On August 23 2012 03:15 OrbitalPlane wrote:On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote:
Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way." These are two different points. First one i specially say its not their fault. Why would they turn such an offer down? You know there are ppl like Jinro who turn down their Coda A invitation because they think they are not good enough. In my opinion that's not the players problem to think about how fair the inviteing process is. Exactly that's the reason why i emphasised it's NOT their fault. Second one. I don't say these players should not be invited. If they use the methode you explained then i say i don't like the methode MLG uses to invite the players. This is not directed towards the players and i don't see how it insults them. If those players would be idra, incontrol etc i would ask the same questions and i would also say that i don't like the methode MLG used. I don't see how the players could be personal offended by my words.
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena
Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
I think i stated that in every single last post i made. I think the best option would have been to give more seeds to the highest finisher in the open bracket. If the now invited players are good enough they will qualify through the open bracket and gain their seed that way. But there are also some other solutions that were at least better than the current one. I'm sure they invited places 17-32 in the arena before inviting binski and Caliber.... most likely people in 17-32 turned it down because... shocker ... it's expensive to go to an MLG. did you read my post? i didn't use the word ARENA i used the word OPEN BRACKET. this will be my last post on this matter btw. Seems like i wasted my time there. Nobody cares here anyway. On a side note: You know i won't be happy if those players get slaughtered 0:5 in their group. I am always happy if foreigners/underdogs take game of koreans. But a lot of ppl will then say that their invites were not justified. If they qualify through the open bracket they at least achieve that. Even if they get slaughted after that they already achieved something! I think the way it is now these games won't be on the main stage and they will get less exposure than they would if they qualified for it. You will see hero TaeJa on the stage. The local scene doesn't get a lot of attention. Did you know that Socke the guy who had several amazing runs at MLG (e.g being the only player defeating DRG and being one game away from beeing first in his group in one of the last MLG) didn't had a single stage match yet? But this is a different topic. And you could also argue about how much sense it makes to have 2 tournaments at the same time... You have the group play format completely wrong. There is already eight "OPEN BRACKET" players that enter the group stage. The only way you could increase this without making it messy and dumb is to make it 16 which would be a logistical mess. You have 16 addional players and only 8 addional seeds? Seems like an easy task not a logistical mess. Did you know that in the past the players did already play out all games? Example: it was not 28-32 place, they played for the 28th, 29th place etc. Wasn't impossible then isn't impossible now.
Yes, you could have put the LB winners in groups and the LB finals loser to championship LB. However, you have a scenario where both the WB winner and LB winner are put in the same spot and people will claim that is 'unfair'. Please they have to run WCS NA at the same time so logistics MIT not be as easy as it seems.
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I don't know about this ..
Groups seeds seem pretty fucked up, looks like random order, no advantage of being 5th over 6th, 12th is better than 9-10-11th...
Still going to watch it but this might be pretty boring if the open bracket doesn't give some surprises and eliminates leenock/mkp/crank during the first rounds ..
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On August 23 2012 04:21 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:07 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 04:00 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:44 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:37 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:29 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:25 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:19 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:09 ohampatu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote:
Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way."
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena
Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money The best method? Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names. Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers. Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint. Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers. GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA ) So there are 3 non-arena seeds. Who would get them? MKP, Leenock AND??? Nonono.... they ALREADY messed up by this time, as my earlier post suggested: On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote:
It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse. Why would they just randomly reserve 8 spot BEFORE they can confirm they can GET 8 people worthy of seeding? Maybe Kespa did promise to send players and backed out? Players withdraw from events all the time. Leenock withdraw from Arena. Like you said, they were already in a bad spot. And any invites would have been seen in a negative light. And you said 'invite better players'. So whom would you have invited? They could just bite the bullet and promote best player from open bracket: MKP Leenock ThorZain Heart are no brainer And then 4 from Killer Select, theSTC, the 8 current seeds, Someone from EG or Root etc The point is to make best of a bad situation, not by try to make a bad situation unsalvageable by trying to stuff their "North American Invite-Only Qualifier" (which is where the current seeds are based on apparently. BTW: Gix actually lost in the first round, or forfeited, in that, so his seed is based on him being invited to a qualifier and not win a single map) into something it clearly was not meant to. ROFL. giX missed the WB matches and went to LB where he fought through everyone and was 1 match alway from making Arena. And guess who he beat on the way? Heart!!! The no brainer invite. See above correction re giX. How is inviting people who failed to move on to arena in a qualifier as seed for actual tournament group a good solution? BTW, both MKP already qualified for Arena with his MLG spring champ result. And giX, Caliber, binski, obviously did not qualify for the Arena. What's the reasoning of choosing someone who failed to qualify as basis of seed over someone who already qualified?
We don't know that MKP wasn't offered a spot. Apparently, these extra Group Play invites don't come with travel covered (see earlier comments from Xeris), and that has a big impact on the ability of those outside of NA to attaend.
lol, I should lrn2read. I thought MKP wasn't in.
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On August 23 2012 04:30 jobber123rd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:21 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 04:07 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 04:00 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:44 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:37 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:29 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:25 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:19 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:09 ohampatu wrote:
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The best method?
Well, these spots were meant for 8 kespa players, so they were never intended to be based off seeds of their qualifier, they were their to invite the big names. Now we realize that the big names they originally wanted couldn't come. In my head, it only makes logical sense to invite the equivalent of what Kespa would have brought. Big high caliber players/names.
Instead they took the seeding method, which is a viable option and makes sense based off their seeds, but the bad one. Those 8 spots were worth about 20k watchers.
Your players aren't gonna bring 20k watchers, see my point. Not trying to bash, just using the logics from a business standpoint and fan standpoint. Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers. GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA ) So there are 3 non-arena seeds. Who would get them? MKP, Leenock AND??? Nonono.... they ALREADY messed up by this time, as my earlier post suggested: On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote:
It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse. Why would they just randomly reserve 8 spot BEFORE they can confirm they can GET 8 people worthy of seeding? Maybe Kespa did promise to send players and backed out? Players withdraw from events all the time. Leenock withdraw from Arena. Like you said, they were already in a bad spot. And any invites would have been seen in a negative light. And you said 'invite better players'. So whom would you have invited? They could just bite the bullet and promote best player from open bracket: MKP Leenock ThorZain Heart are no brainer And then 4 from Killer Select, theSTC, the 8 current seeds, Someone from EG or Root etc The point is to make best of a bad situation, not by try to make a bad situation unsalvageable by trying to stuff their "North American Invite-Only Qualifier" (which is where the current seeds are based on apparently. BTW: Gix actually lost in the first round, or forfeited, in that, so his seed is based on him being invited to a qualifier and not win a single map) into something it clearly was not meant to. ROFL. giX missed the WB matches and went to LB where he fought through everyone and was 1 match alway from making Arena. And guess who he beat on the way? Heart!!! The no brainer invite. See above correction re giX. How is inviting people who failed to move on to arena in a qualifier as seed for actual tournament group a good solution? BTW, both MKP already qualified for Arena with his MLG spring champ result. And giX, Caliber, binski, obviously did not qualify for the Arena. What's the reasoning of choosing someone who failed to qualify as basis of seed over someone who already qualified? We don't know that MKP wasn't offered a spot. Apparently, these extra Group Play invites don't come with travel covered (see earlier comments from Xeris), and that has a big impact on the ability of those outside of NA to attaend.
He is in the open bracket (so is Leenock, who qualified for Arena after MKP dropped out, and his spot was taken by Grubby). I'm sure if he was offered a spot he would accept.
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Taeja just shut up and take my money.
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On August 23 2012 04:32 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:30 jobber123rd wrote:On August 23 2012 04:21 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 04:07 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 04:00 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:44 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:37 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:29 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 03:25 ragz_gt wrote:On August 23 2012 03:19 vthree wrote:
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Actually, if they just wanted viewers, they should just have Idra vs Stephano. Kind of funny that GSL gets shiat on for inviting big name foreigners to draw more viewers. And MLG gets shiat for giving spots to 'no names' who did well in the qualifiers. GSL for inviting big name player who are bad. MLG for giving spots to 'no names' who are bad. Solution, invite better players, for both case. (There was not much outrage for GSL seed to NaNiwa / Polt / viOLet / ThorZaIN besides the standard "against any seed" crowd, as opposite to seed to Huk / IdrA ) So there are 3 non-arena seeds. Who would get them? MKP, Leenock AND??? Nonono.... they ALREADY messed up by this time, as my earlier post suggested: On August 23 2012 03:07 ragz_gt wrote:
It's not like MLG doesn't know they messed up royally, which is why they hid the invites for as long as possible (and a couple extra days anyway). The question is why they reserved 8 seeds for KeSPA player they obviously expected to get when it's even more obviously not going to happen. It's like reserve a 8 seats at a restaurant without confirming and hope 8 people you know would just show up. Except 100x worse. Why would they just randomly reserve 8 spot BEFORE they can confirm they can GET 8 people worthy of seeding? Maybe Kespa did promise to send players and backed out? Players withdraw from events all the time. Leenock withdraw from Arena. Like you said, they were already in a bad spot. And any invites would have been seen in a negative light. And you said 'invite better players'. So whom would you have invited? They could just bite the bullet and promote best player from open bracket: MKP Leenock ThorZain Heart are no brainer And then 4 from Killer Select, theSTC, the 8 current seeds, Someone from EG or Root etc The point is to make best of a bad situation, not by try to make a bad situation unsalvageable by trying to stuff their "North American Invite-Only Qualifier" (which is where the current seeds are based on apparently. BTW: Gix actually lost in the first round, or forfeited, in that, so his seed is based on him being invited to a qualifier and not win a single map) into something it clearly was not meant to. ROFL. giX missed the WB matches and went to LB where he fought through everyone and was 1 match alway from making Arena. And guess who he beat on the way? Heart!!! The no brainer invite. See above correction re giX. How is inviting people who failed to move on to arena in a qualifier as seed for actual tournament group a good solution? BTW, both MKP already qualified for Arena with his MLG spring champ result. And giX, Caliber, binski, obviously did not qualify for the Arena. What's the reasoning of choosing someone who failed to qualify as basis of seed over someone who already qualified? We don't know that MKP wasn't offered a spot. Apparently, these extra Group Play invites don't come with travel covered (see earlier comments from Xeris), and that has a big impact on the ability of those outside of NA to attaend. He is in the pool play. I'm sure if he was offered a spot he would accept.
Whoops.
Guess he's just paying the price for skipping out on Arena to focus on WCS KR preliminaries. 
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On August 23 2012 04:16 OrbitalPlane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:47 Ursadon-n-Pals wrote:On August 23 2012 03:31 OrbitalPlane wrote:On August 23 2012 03:17 Xeris wrote:On August 23 2012 03:15 OrbitalPlane wrote:On August 23 2012 02:53 Xeris wrote:
Saying "its not their fault they're invited" is like an insult. At least it appears to me to be an insult in that you're saying they shouldn't be invited because it's "not the right way." These are two different points. First one i specially say its not their fault. Why would they turn such an offer down? You know there are ppl like Jinro who turn down their Coda A invitation because they think they are not good enough. In my opinion that's not the players problem to think about how fair the inviteing process is. Exactly that's the reason why i emphasised it's NOT their fault. Second one. I don't say these players should not be invited. If they use the methode you explained then i say i don't like the methode MLG uses to invite the players. This is not directed towards the players and i don't see how it insults them. If those players would be idra, incontrol etc i would ask the same questions and i would also say that i don't like the methode MLG used. I don't see how the players could be personal offended by my words.
What, to you, would be the right way?
It seems like the best method of inviting players is based on performance in your events. Therefore:
Invite 17-32 place at Arena
Invite the next highest people on the list from the Arena qualifiers
It seems like MLG followed the most objective criteria. What way would be better in your opinion? Not like MLG can just afford to fly in random invites, they don't have infinite money
I think i stated that in every single last post i made. I think the best option would have been to give more seeds to the highest finisher in the open bracket. If the now invited players are good enough they will qualify through the open bracket and gain their seed that way. But there are also some other solutions that were at least better than the current one. I'm sure they invited places 17-32 in the arena before inviting binski and Caliber.... most likely people in 17-32 turned it down because... shocker ... it's expensive to go to an MLG. did you read my post? i didn't use the word ARENA i used the word OPEN BRACKET. this will be my last post on this matter btw. Seems like i wasted my time there. Nobody cares here anyway. On a side note: You know i won't be happy if those players get slaughtered 0:5 in their group. I am always happy if foreigners/underdogs take game of koreans. But a lot of ppl will then say that their invites were not justified. If they qualify through the open bracket they at least achieve that. Even if they get slaughted after that they already achieved something! I think the way it is now these games won't be on the main stage and they will get less exposure than they would if they qualified for it. You will see hero TaeJa on the stage. The local scene doesn't get a lot of attention. Did you know that Socke the guy who had several amazing runs at MLG (e.g being the only player defeating DRG and being one game away from beeing first in his group in one of the last MLG) didn't had a single stage match yet? But this is a different topic. And you could also argue about how much sense it makes to have 2 tournaments at the same time... You have the group play format completely wrong. There is already eight "OPEN BRACKET" players that enter the group stage. The only way you could increase this without making it messy and dumb is to make it 16 which would be a logistical mess. You have 16 addional players and only 8 addional seeds? Seems like an easy task not a logistical mess. Did you know that in the past the players did already play out all games? Example: it was not 28-32 place, they played for the 28th, 29th place etc. Wasn't impossible then isn't impossible now.
Well, let's use our brains and think this through shall we? Currently there are 6 players in a group out of a total of 8. Two more will join from the open bracket.
Since each group is a double elimination bracket and not a round robin, it is most logical that the highest seed in that group will play the lowest seed. The two open bracket qualifiers would have the lowest seeds. This means 1 would play 8, 2 would play 7, and so on.
Now, let's look at the schedule. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/40#event_108_broadcast-schedule-for-home-viewers
You see that on Friday, Group WR1 as well as the open bracket (OWR1) is played at the same time. On Saturday, you see that there are 2 more Group WR1 played. This is after OWR6. The 8 winners of OWR6 will enter the groups. This would mean that on Friday, matches 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 would probably be played while 1 v 8 and 2 v 7 would probably be played on Saturday.
If 16 players came from the open bracket, that would mean 4 players enter each group from the open bracket. That is half the group. Seeds 5-8. That means none of the matches in the Groups can be played until the open bracket is finished. This means on Saturday, ALL the group brackets must be finished which would cause a time restraint as well as SIGNIFICANTLY less content for MLG to show.
The way the seeds worked is smarter than you think. There is no good solution to the KeSPA players not showing up. This is just made with what they had. It is okay to be disappointed but let MLG do their thing.
And just another FYI, most consolation matches in the past (29th, 30th, etc) were done by rock paper scissors and coin flips because unless that placing gave a larger prize, no one cared. In that scenario the tournament can also continue while the matches are being played because they are not waiting for 29th or 30th place.
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On August 23 2012 04:24 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:16 OrbitalPlane wrote:
[You have 16 addional players and only 8 addional seeds?
Seems like an easy task not a logistical mess.
Did you know that in the past the players did already play out all games?
Example:
it was not 28-32 place, they played for the 28th, 29th place etc.
Wasn't impossible then isn't impossible now.
Yes, you could have put the LB winners in groups and the LB finals loser to championship LB. However, you have a scenario where both the WB winner and LB winner are put in the same spot and people will claim that is 'unfair'. Please they have to run WCS NA at the same time so logistics MIT not be as easy as it seems.
It's really not that complicated. There are 8 open brackets. The winner of each final advances. The looser of the final plays the last guy remaining in the looserbracket. Winners of those advance, loosers get in the championchip bracket.
This is not difficult hard to understand, it's not difficult to organize and it's not unfair to anyone.
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You definitely have some good points there. But i think with some adjustments they could still do it.It's not like they were showing every group match anway. There are also a lot of good open bracket matches that could be shown. But i see and agree that the schedule would need a lot of work.
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On August 23 2012 04:39 OrbitalPlane wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:24 vthree wrote:On August 23 2012 04:16 OrbitalPlane wrote:
[You have 16 addional players and only 8 addional seeds?
Seems like an easy task not a logistical mess.
Did you know that in the past the players did already play out all games?
Example:
it was not 28-32 place, they played for the 28th, 29th place etc.
Wasn't impossible then isn't impossible now.
Yes, you could have put the LB winners in groups and the LB finals loser to championship LB. However, you have a scenario where both the WB winner and LB winner are put in the same spot and people will claim that is 'unfair'. Please they have to run WCS NA at the same time so logistics MIT not be as easy as it seems. It's really not that complicated. There are 8 open brackets. The winner of each final advances. The looser of the final plays the last guy remaining in the looserbracket. Winners of those advance, loosers get in the championchip bracket. This is not difficult hard to understand, it's not difficult to organize and it's not unfair to anyone.
That would also require a re-work of the schedule, as the current schedule has the Open Loser's Bracket finishing up around the same time as the first two Group Play finals.
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Goody sasquatch and caliber all made the groups??? did they win a tournament or something?
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MLG really couldn't have given the extra seeds to Thorzain, MKP, Leenock, or JYP? Who made this decision? Bad call.
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On August 23 2012 03:11 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 02:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 23 2012 02:21 ohampatu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:19 sGSuperSlinkY wrote:On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote:
Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?! Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good. so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl
Yes, because they actually played in the last MLG event, and MKP didn't. If you're awarding seeds based on performances in the last event and qualifiers, why would you seed a player who didn't participate in those?
Does MKP deserve a seed for his skill level? Yes. But that isn't the only pre-requisite for awarding a seed in this instance.
I, personally, am glad that MLG aren't pushing these seeds into worthless places - Players who can practically be relied upon to make it through an open bracket.
I don't think anyone seriously expects that MKP can't make it into pool play from where he is. Why does it matter if he's seeded or not? If anything this only means we get more games from MKP to watch, while some "no names" who have shown GENUINE PROMISE in previous MLG events, have been given a chance to start out on a main stage where they can prove to themselves and others that they deserve those seeds.
Stuff like this stops the scene from being an incestuous mess where MKP, MVP, MMA, DRG and Stephano are the only players invited to anything ever. Its a good thing. Treat it like one.
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so these groups.... mlg seems to of dug itself a massive hole. firstly, seeding is partially randomised? 2 liquid players in the groups, forced in to a possible teamkill situation, what the shit mlg? it took you 2 years to get rid of extended series and then you do stuff like this.
secondly, everyone praised the double bracket situation at the arena to build the hype, the finals 'meant' something more because it wasnt a double BoX, but now because players from opposite brackets didnt play each other, you dont actually know who finished in what position, so youre seeding in the top 8 from that but you dont actually know your own top 8.... not smart.
thirdly, why are all 3 of the replacement players american? after the 32 at the arena have been asked about attendance why have you just taken 3 americans? you yourselves accept the american scene is by far the weakest, by offering less seeds in to the arena from the NA qualifier, and yet when it comes to the championship you just invite 3 extra americans? bit of a dick move.
On August 23 2012 04:48 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:11 mememolly wrote:On August 23 2012 02:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 23 2012 02:21 ohampatu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:19 sGSuperSlinkY wrote:On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote:
Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?! Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good. so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl Yes, because they actually played in the last MLG event, and MKP didn't. If you're awarding seeds based on performances in the last event and qualifiers, why would you seed a player who didn't participate in those? Does MKP deserve a seed for his skill level? Yes. But that isn't the only pre-requisite for awarding a seed in this instance. I, personally, am glad that MLG aren't pushing these seeds into worthless places - Players who can practically be relied upon to make it through an open bracket. I don't think anyone seriously expects that MKP can't make it into pool play from where he is. Why does it matter if he's seeded or not? If anything this only means we get more games from MKP to watch, while some "no names" who have shown GENUINE PROMISE in previous MLG events, have been given a chance to start out on a main stage where they can prove to themselves and others that they deserve those seeds. Stuff like this stops the scene from being an incestuous mess where MKP, MVP, MMA, DRG and Stephano are the only players invited to anything ever. Its a good thing. Treat it like one.
as i just stated in my post, which obviously you havent read yet. the 3 americans tacked on the end didnt play in the arena, they failed to qualify. they are infact the 3 next in line purely of the american qualifier, not 1 from each. and certainly the 3 weakest choices. at best theyve failed to select 1 from each qualifier to make things "fair" at worst they intentionally picked the 3 weakest players they could, purely to bolster the american numbers present.
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So disappointed now with all the rumors about Kespa players being seeded and now none will show up at all.
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On August 23 2012 04:48 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:11 mememolly wrote:On August 23 2012 02:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 23 2012 02:21 ohampatu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:19 sGSuperSlinkY wrote:On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote:
Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?! Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good. so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl Yes, because they actually played in the last MLG event, and MKP didn't. If you're awarding seeds based on performances in the last event and qualifiers, why would you seed a player who didn't participate in those? Does MKP deserve a seed for his skill level? Yes. But that isn't the only pre-requisite for awarding a seed in this instance. I, personally, am glad that MLG aren't pushing these seeds into worthless places - Players who can practically be relied upon to make it through an open bracket. I don't think anyone seriously expects that MKP can't make it into pool play from where he is. Why does it matter if he's seeded or not? If anything this only means we get more games from MKP to watch, while some "no names" who have shown GENUINE PROMISE in previous MLG events, have been given a chance to start out on a main stage where they can prove to themselves and others that they deserve those seeds. Stuff like this stops the scene from being an incestuous mess where MKP, MVP, MMA, DRG and Stephano are the only players invited to anything ever. Its a good thing. Treat it like one.
No, they didn't play in the last MLG event (Arena) because they failed to qualify in the Regional Qualifier. MKP actually qualified for the Arena but chose not to go due to GSL / WCS. So apparently the logic is someone who didn't qualify >>> someone who qualified and forfeited.
I'm sure MKP (and Leenock) can do fine whereever they are. But the fact that they chose who they chose for the Seed means less deserving player can make into group play.
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And this is exactly why I didn't like that MLG change the format to give free seeds! Seriously MLG you got the arena where people can actually qualify and you would have avoided this mess. I got no idea how most of these people even got there seed
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On August 23 2012 04:50 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 04:48 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 23 2012 03:11 mememolly wrote:On August 23 2012 02:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 23 2012 02:21 ohampatu wrote:On August 23 2012 02:19 sGSuperSlinkY wrote:On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote:
Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?! Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good. so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl Yes, because they actually played in the last MLG event, and MKP didn't. If you're awarding seeds based on performances in the last event and qualifiers, why would you seed a player who didn't participate in those? Does MKP deserve a seed for his skill level? Yes. But that isn't the only pre-requisite for awarding a seed in this instance. I, personally, am glad that MLG aren't pushing these seeds into worthless places - Players who can practically be relied upon to make it through an open bracket. I don't think anyone seriously expects that MKP can't make it into pool play from where he is. Why does it matter if he's seeded or not? If anything this only means we get more games from MKP to watch, while some "no names" who have shown GENUINE PROMISE in previous MLG events, have been given a chance to start out on a main stage where they can prove to themselves and others that they deserve those seeds. Stuff like this stops the scene from being an incestuous mess where MKP, MVP, MMA, DRG and Stephano are the only players invited to anything ever. Its a good thing. Treat it like one. No, they didn't play in the last MLG event (Arena) because they failed to qualify in the Regional Qualifier. MKP actually qualified for the Arena but chose not to go due to GSL / WCS. So apparently the logic is someone who didn't qualify >>> someone who qualified and forfeited.
lol its just insane
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