On August 23 2012 04:48 turdburgler wrote: so these groups. mlg seems to of dug itself a massive hole. firstly, seeding is partially randomised? 2 liquid players in the groups, forced in to a possible teamkill situation, what the shit mlg? it took you 2 years to get rid of extended series and then you do stuff like this.
secondly, everyone praised the double bracket situation at the arena to build the hype, the finals 'meant' something more because it wasnt a double BoX, but now because players from opposite brackets didnt play each other, you dont actually know who finished in what position, so youre seeding in the top 8 from that but you dont actually know your own top 8.... not smart.
thirdly, why are all 3 of the replacement players american? after the 32 at the arena have been asked about attendance why have you just taken 3 americans? you yourselves accept the american scene is by far the weakest, by offering less seeds in to the arena from the NA qualifier, and yet when it comes to the championship you just invite 3 extra americans? bit of a dick move.
Extended series is still in, and will likely factor in a couple of times in the Groups and possibly in the Semifinals of the Championship Bracket. It's just that (for example) a match on Friday won't trigger an extended series on Sunday.
By their own rules, the first loser of the NA qualifer (7th place) gets priority over the first losers of the EU and KR qualifiers (10th place), because 7th is better than 10th. There were about 11 players (can't be bothered to double check exact number) who had to decline before it got that far anyway.>_>
On August 23 2012 04:56 jobber123rd wrote: Extended series is still in, and will likely factor in a couple of times in the Groups and possibly in the Semifinals of the Championship Bracket.
Like Pool Play, Group Play placement will determine a player’s starting position in the Championship Bracket. And like the Open Bracket, Group Play match history will not be carried over into the third stage of the Event.
So i am not completely sure what this means. I haven't been thinking it through if there is still the possibility of extended series.
Stop crying everybody, the people that got into the group play are because of their Performance in MLG Arena/ Mlg Online Qualifiers so from all the MLG Arena people, the people that are coming to MLG Summer Championship got the seed, since few people dropped out and decided not to go, it opened up more spots for the other people which means high seeded players from online MLG Qualifiers were able to get a seed into the group play like Binski, Gix, Caliber and so on~
On August 23 2012 05:02 Everize wrote: Stop crying everybody, the people that got into the group play are because of their Performance in MLG Arena/ Mlg Online Qualifiers so from all the MLG Arena people, the people that are coming to MLG Summer Championship got the seed, since few people dropped out and decided not to go, it opened up more spots for the other people which means high seeded players from online MLG Qualifiers were able to get a seed into the group play like Binski, Gix, Caliber and so on~
but if you read what i said. you would know what this isnt the case.
mlg havent updated their site with information reguarding drop outs etc so we have absolutely no idea how they decided who got invited, they havent posted how they worked out seeding between players that werent even in the same bracket, they havent explained their group selection for the championship.
they havent even updated their site about the arena so we cant investigate from that far back either
not to jump on the hate train too much, but they even let shit like this happen
how the fuck do you give a guy a walk over rather than ask the previous knocked out person to play instead in an online cup?
but they dont release the information so we just have this huge mess where it 'feels' like people are invited and seeded at complete random. remember when mlg cut half their staff so they could refocus on 'doing what they did best', running a league. well its not really working out is it.
On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote: Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?!
Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion
these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here
i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro
Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good.
so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl
Yes, because they actually played in the last MLG event, and MKP didn't. If you're awarding seeds based on performances in the last event and qualifiers, why would you seed a player who didn't participate in those?
Does MKP deserve a seed for his skill level? Yes. But that isn't the only pre-requisite for awarding a seed in this instance.
I, personally, am glad that MLG aren't pushing these seeds into worthless places - Players who can practically be relied upon to make it through an open bracket.
I don't think anyone seriously expects that MKP can't make it into pool play from where he is. Why does it matter if he's seeded or not? If anything this only means we get more games from MKP to watch, while some "no names" who have shown GENUINE PROMISE in previous MLG events, have been given a chance to start out on a main stage where they can prove to themselves and others that they deserve those seeds.
Stuff like this stops the scene from being an incestuous mess where MKP, MVP, MMA, DRG and Stephano are the only players invited to anything ever. Its a good thing. Treat it like one.
No, they didn't play in the last MLG event (Arena) because they failed to qualify in the Regional Qualifier. MKP actually qualified for the Arena but chose not to go due to GSL / WCS. So apparently the logic is someone who didn't qualify >>> someone who qualified and forfeited.
I'm sure MKP (and Leenock) can do fine whereever they are. But the fact that they chose who they chose for the Seed means less deserving player can make into group play.
Yep. For all that, MKP hasn't posted a result in the Summer season, and by MLG rules, that puts him behind everyone else who has done so -- even those who got taken out in the Open qualifiers (such as nadaviking).
On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote: Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?!
Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion
these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here
i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro
Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good.
so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl
Yes, because they actually played in the last MLG event, and MKP didn't. If you're awarding seeds based on performances in the last event and qualifiers, why would you seed a player who didn't participate in those?
Does MKP deserve a seed for his skill level? Yes. But that isn't the only pre-requisite for awarding a seed in this instance.
I, personally, am glad that MLG aren't pushing these seeds into worthless places - Players who can practically be relied upon to make it through an open bracket.
I don't think anyone seriously expects that MKP can't make it into pool play from where he is. Why does it matter if he's seeded or not? If anything this only means we get more games from MKP to watch, while some "no names" who have shown GENUINE PROMISE in previous MLG events, have been given a chance to start out on a main stage where they can prove to themselves and others that they deserve those seeds.
Stuff like this stops the scene from being an incestuous mess where MKP, MVP, MMA, DRG and Stephano are the only players invited to anything ever. Its a good thing. Treat it like one.
No, they didn't play in the last MLG event (Arena) because they failed to qualify in the Regional Qualifier. MKP actually qualified for the Arena but chose not to go due to GSL / WCS. So apparently the logic is someone who didn't qualify >>> someone who qualified and forfeited.
I'm sure MKP (and Leenock) can do fine whereever they are. But the fact that they chose who they chose for the Seed means less deserving player can make into group play.
Yep. For all that, MKP hasn't posted a result in the Summer season, and by MLG rules, that puts him behind everyone else who has done so -- even those who got taken out in the Open qualifiers (such as nadaviking).
This is what doesn't make sense. MKP qualified for summer arena, but had to forfeit. People who played in qualifiers, but didn't qualify for summer arena, gained seeding points. However, MKP who was already qualified had no reason to play in any qualifier, so therefore had 0 opportunity to gain any seeding points. Therefore, he gets 0 seeding points for actually qualifying, but then forfeiting.
On August 23 2012 04:56 jobber123rd wrote: Extended series is still in, and will likely factor in a couple of times in the Groups and possibly in the Semifinals of the Championship Bracket.
Like Pool Play, Group Play placement will determine a player’s starting position in the Championship Bracket. And like the Open Bracket, Group Play match history will not be carried over into the third stage of the Event.
So i am not completely sure what this means. I haven't been thinking it through if there is still the possibility of extended series.
It means that if A > B in the Open bracket, it won't turn their meeting in the Championship Losers Bracket into an extended series. However, if C > D in Championship Winners R1 and D comes back through the LB to play C in the semifinal, then that will be an extended series (as will the case of a semifinal where the WB and LB players haven't met, and the LB player wins the initial Bo3).
On August 23 2012 02:05 SeggsyLori wrote: Binski, Caliber, Sasquash, Gix? Never heared of them WTF!??!?!
Binski and Caliber are on LighT and both really great players, im expecting them to do really well Sasquash is in the CoL academy and Gix is on Legion
these 4 players are really good up and comers that can really hold there own. Dont doubt them. Im sure there going to show there true talent here
i'll give you Gix, and possibly Sasquash, but Caliber and Binski will fall at the first non NA pro
Last MLG, Caliber was knocked out by Hawke, who went 2:1 against Monster, and Monster had an amazing run that tournament. Binski was knocked out by Illusion, who is flat out really good.
so they should be seeded ahead of multiple MLG winners like MKP? rofl
Yes, because they actually played in the last MLG event, and MKP didn't. If you're awarding seeds based on performances in the last event and qualifiers, why would you seed a player who didn't participate in those?
Does MKP deserve a seed for his skill level? Yes. But that isn't the only pre-requisite for awarding a seed in this instance.
I, personally, am glad that MLG aren't pushing these seeds into worthless places - Players who can practically be relied upon to make it through an open bracket.
I don't think anyone seriously expects that MKP can't make it into pool play from where he is. Why does it matter if he's seeded or not? If anything this only means we get more games from MKP to watch, while some "no names" who have shown GENUINE PROMISE in previous MLG events, have been given a chance to start out on a main stage where they can prove to themselves and others that they deserve those seeds.
Stuff like this stops the scene from being an incestuous mess where MKP, MVP, MMA, DRG and Stephano are the only players invited to anything ever. Its a good thing. Treat it like one.
No, they didn't play in the last MLG event (Arena) because they failed to qualify in the Regional Qualifier. MKP actually qualified for the Arena but chose not to go due to GSL / WCS. So apparently the logic is someone who didn't qualify >>> someone who qualified and forfeited.
I'm sure MKP (and Leenock) can do fine whereever they are. But the fact that they chose who they chose for the Seed means less deserving player can make into group play.
Yep. For all that, MKP hasn't posted a result in the Summer season, and by MLG rules, that puts him behind everyone else who has done so -- even those who got taken out in the Open qualifiers (such as nadaviking).
What rules? Weren't these seeds originally for invites, for the Kespa players? Did the kespa players play in the Summer Arena?
So when the high profile players they were planning to invite don't show up, what does MLG do? Do they find equally high profile players, or at least as close as they can get, and give them the invites instead? No, they give the invite seeds to a bunch of no-names who couldn't even make it through the weakest region of their arena qualifiers. Yeah, that makes so much sense.
Mah it's shady but who cares about ladder. The seeding is based on NA Qualifier, which I don't agree with, but have absolutely nothing to do with his ladder performance.
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