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Think before you post. This should go without saying, there are so many people making absolutely idiotic comments in this thread. If you have nothing constructive to say, please don't say anything. |
On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout.
MC would like a word with you.
oh, and by the way, its really hard to argue that Taeja's primary focus is the GSL, when he left SlayerS specifically so he could travel and participate in foreign events... pretty sure most people would agree that his primary focus appears to be foreign tournaments
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On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships.
Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total)
Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3)
Total Prize Money - 6200
Premium Medals - 0 out of 8
List is in:
Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking
650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th
0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage
0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round
0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage
3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place
0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE
0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage
1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record)
1000 - IPL4 17th-20th
Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm)
Total Prize Money - 25558
Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold)
List is in:
Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking
0 - iem7 cologne DNE
13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST
10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st
0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place
0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE
2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place
0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE
0 - NASL Season 3 DNE
0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket
Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well.
On August 22 2012 12:55 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. MC would like a word with you. oh, and by the way, its really hard to argue that Taeja's primary focus is the GSL, when he left SlayerS specifically so he could travel and participate in foreign events... pretty sure most people would agree that his primary focus appears to be foreign tournaments
Which is perfectly ok but when the comparison is Puma who is the single worst person to use for this example the statistic is incredibly biased. NASL2 which Puma won had 3 Koreans total in it and he won 40k for his first place in that. Using a comparison where he was practically gifted 40k is going to skewer his statistics drastically. I'm not saying he isn't doing well for himself since he certainly is but his post was so biased it's not even funny.
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On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well.
you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes.
you know... the entire point of the chart...
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On August 22 2012 12:43 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. His answer, which is not the most illogical by the way would be probably "Taeja's mistake was sticking around Korea the first 2 years of SC instead of becoming the 1-1-1 terran and picking up easy wins against inferior opponents the way Puma did." A Korean, GSL level, pro who said screw it, quit GSL in early 2011 and started showing up at MLGs and IEMS would have made significantly more dough than just grinding it out at GSL.
MC and MVP, the two highest earning players by prize money are both multiple time GSL champions. It is pretty illogical.
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The funny thing about this is, the thread is about Stephano and it's been invaded with nerds comparing mathematical charts comparing PuMa and Taeja...
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On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well.
"Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6"
"Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only."
"While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from (Wiki2)Premier Tournaments"
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Cologne
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Guangzhou
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Guangzhou
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_2
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ASUS_ROG_Winter_2012
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_World_Championship
2 golds, 2 silvers, 2 bronze from 6 total appearances while in EG.
IEM, NASL, and ASUS are all http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and not qualifiers.
Taeja placed in the top 3 in the following http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments that are not qualifiers since he was recruited by Liquid:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ASUS_ROG_Summer_2012
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Arena
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On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart...
You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments?
I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then.
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On August 22 2012 13:15 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart... You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments? I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Cologne
Puma beats MC in his first premier appearance after joining EG for first place at IEM Cologne.
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How has this thread delved into statistics comparing Puma, Taeja and MC?
Well, good luck to Stephano on EG, hope he continues what we've known to expect of him.
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On August 22 2012 13:17 Flonomenalz wrote:
How has this thread delved into statistics comparing Puma, Taeja and MC?
Well, good luck to Stephano on EG, hope he continues what we've known to expect of him.
The same way all threads delve into off topics. Someone goes out and shows true data that EG has fostered a wildly successful player, and therefore Stephano isn't in trouble because he is (speculatively) joining EG, and someone else tries to argue against that without actually knowing what he's talking about.
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On August 22 2012 13:14 kiy0 wrote:
The funny thing about this is, the thread is about Stephano and it's been invaded with nerds comparing mathematical charts comparing PuMa and Taeja...
im sorry, i was under the assumption that people could read a post and understand the point of it, i guess some cant, so i will (literally) spell it out for you.
the chart was a counter to the common misconception that EG as a team, cannot properly foster talent and grow a player, and that they just buy out players after they win something. then afterwards, they decline.
So the OP chose PuMa and matched him up against another player (Taeja) that many in a forum thread like this would consider "fostered and raised since joining a team. Why was Taeja chosen? because he's been incredibly consistent in getting podium wins lately. it wasnt a jab, it was just a popular pick.
so the OP constructed a (mathematically) accurate chart comparing the two and showing that EG, can in fact, grow a player (PuMa) and that he has actually been more successful than other popular players, and that Taeja would actually have to consistantly do even better to "outgrow" PuMa.
TLDR; EG can in fact, grow players, and has one that has done "better" than most, including Taeja.
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On August 22 2012 13:15 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart... You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments? I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then.
This. Exactly. And to the people saying MC, Mvp and Nestea are all GSL players in the top money: the GSL is only profitable if you can consistently Top8 and don't sacrifice a foreign tournament in which you can place in the money in the process. Obviously it works for them because they're multiple time champions in such a top-heavy tournament.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 13:14 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. "Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6" "Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only." "While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from (Wiki2)Premier Tournaments" http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Colognehttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Guangzhouhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Guangzhouhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_2http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ASUS_ROG_Winter_2012http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_World_Championship2 golds, 2 silvers, 2 bronze from 6 total appearances while in EG. IEM, NASL, and ASUS are all http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and not qualifiers. Taeja placed in the top 3 in the following http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments that are not qualifiers since he was recruited by Liquid: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ASUS_ROG_Summer_2012http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Summer/Arena
Edit: Sorry for derailing the thread mods. Just wanted to point out the pseudostatistics which clearly was a mistake.
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On August 22 2012 13:17 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:15 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart... You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments? I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Cologne Puma beats MC in his first premier appearance after joining EG for first place at IEM Cologne.
He also beat MC at NASL 1 and 2 (although the former one, he was not on EG yet. But the point still stands)
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People should really stop actually believing that EG is making players worse, they arent, players are just getting lazy / unmotivated, whatever the fuck, but they sure have a good environement, good practice partners, good salaries, guys like HuK, in my humble opinion, never represented solid potential on the Stephano' level, HuK is pretty fucking good of course, but I never saw in him what everyone is seeing in Stephano, and Stephano, wont need much to keep owning, if people actually believe that crap about EG killing players' carreer, wait 6 months, watch Stephano results, and shut up. As for the other ones, give them time, most of them are "emotional" players, they might get back on top of the scene if they manage to handle their problems, Idra's temper and way to approach the game, HuK, no idea what's his problem but he sure got one, Thorzain give the guy a break he'll come back, players are fucking humans, they need to adapt, they need to figure shit out, they need from the fans some fucking air.
No wonder guys like Tasteless, one of the major faces of the Starcraft 2 community doesnt even fucking read TL anymore, when you see so much drama, disrespect and bullshit going on in these threads, it's not even opinion, it's just random anger at the richest team on the scene, and yeah, good for them, they keep getting stronger and are building the best foreigner line-up ever seen, and their PLAYERS ARE FUCKING HAPPY TO GET PAID. So many people act like they're some kind of nazis corporation that is sucking the soul out of a puppy. Wake up, seriously, even if you dislike EG for some reason, this is actually great for esport, and they are actually good at making our community / game look serious and marketable, Stephano staying in Millenium made no sense what so ever... The amount of stupidity and trashtalk that people throw at EG is just... Sad, really
And congratz to EG and Stephano, may the foreigners scare (at least a little) them koreans 
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Chargelot: crushing the EG haters under and endless tide of logic, data and facts. The three things they barely understand. It is both painful and awesome to read. Keep it up sir.
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On August 22 2012 06:47 Ozell wrote:
I don't get it how EG makes SOooooo much money...
It's not like any of their players won some major tournament in the recent months.
Alex sure knows how to find money.
They know how to mark their players and their business extremely well, sure they haven't as much as they should with the players and money they have but their business model revolves around marketing their players or they at least put a lot more emphasis on it then any other team, and honestly the players don't do that badly.
Stephano moving to EG isn't un-expected, gl to him and I hope he does well if he does move to EG and I'm sure he definitely will because their is no such thing as the EG curse.
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On August 22 2012 13:35 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 06:47 Ozell wrote:
I don't get it how EG makes SOooooo much money...
It's not like any of their players won some major tournament in the recent months.
Alex sure knows how to find money. They know how to mark their players and their business extremely well, sure they haven't as much as they should with the players and money they have but their business model revolves around marketing their players or they at least put a lot more emphasis on it then any other team, and honestly the players don't do that badly. Stephano moving to EG isn't un-expected, gl to him and I hope he does well if he does move to EG and I'm sure he definitely will because their is no such thing as the EG curse.
Sponsorship money (for pretty much all teams) works a lot closer to a web ad than we like to think. Monster doesn't care if EG wins every tournament they show up to or not. They care about how many more cans of Monster Energy are sold because they sponsor EG. So the more eyes that are on EG, the more they see Monster Energy, the more they continue to support Monster, or decided to try Monster, or are more inclined to pick it over, say, Red Bull, and thus the more EG is worth to Monster. It's a little more complex then this, but basically:
Attention = Sponsorship Money
Winning = Attention
But Attention != Winning
Everything EG does also = Attention
Therefore Everything EG does = Sponsorship Money.
Since people can't get over this, this is the PM I sent to stutter to avoid cluttering the thread anymore than I already have:
It wasn't meant to show that Puma has attended 6 premier events and won medals in them all. It was meant to show that of all his wins, all of them have been in premier events. I was comparing both players wins to the gravity of the win, not the players attempts to the number of wins. It wasn't so much a win:lose ratio as it was a win:howtheheckmuchdoesthiswinmatter ratio.
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I never seen such a bias set of stats. It is almost comparing apples and oranges. What is worse is that people believe it is good stats. The one provided by Stutters is a lot more objective.
Anyway despite all that I do believe Stephano will be fine.
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Hope he doesnt hit the downfall like huk did. GL HF!
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On August 22 2012 13:40 mango_destroyer wrote:
I never seen such a bias set of stats. It is almost comparing apples and oranges. What is worse is that people believe it is good stats. The one provided by Stutters is a lot more objective.
Anyway despite all that I do believe Stephano will be fine.
I am glad I am not the only who just didn't look at the cash per month and go "OH WOW SUCK ON THAT EG HATERS!!"
That said, what is the current standing of Puma? This year he's only racked up a 3rd and 2nd place finish, which were awhile ago. This is still pretty good; but comparing it to the middle/end of last year, it's terribly lacking.
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