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On August 22 2012 12:09 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:58 forsooth wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this community hate on EG. They promote their players and their brand well, they actually seem to pay their players more than a pittance, they opened up a team house, and they do a lot of community interaction. All of these things are good and help push esports toward something more normal and stable than it is now. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have so many young people in Korea and elsewhere devoting all of their time to this game and making either no salary or a mockery of one for their efforts.
I'm not even a fan of any of the players on EG except for Demuslim but it's completely obvious that the organization is setting a good example that other teams should be looking to follow. And yet half the community is always shitting on them. Makes no sense. Apparently you can't be a fan of TL and EG at the same time... It's not just Liquid fans on this horse. Plenty of these folks are fans of different teams entirely.
EDIT: Oh, and the stats are great and all, but what matters in Sc2 is what someone's done lately. There's no disputing that TL and others have had better summers than EG, but that can change in a heartbeat. Maybe this weekend, we'll see.
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On August 22 2012 13:55 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:09 SupLilSon wrote:On August 22 2012 11:58 forsooth wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this community hate on EG. They promote their players and their brand well, they actually seem to pay their players more than a pittance, they opened up a team house, and they do a lot of community interaction. All of these things are good and help push esports toward something more normal and stable than it is now. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have so many young people in Korea and elsewhere devoting all of their time to this game and making either no salary or a mockery of one for their efforts.
I'm not even a fan of any of the players on EG except for Demuslim but it's completely obvious that the organization is setting a good example that other teams should be looking to follow. And yet half the community is always shitting on them. Makes no sense. Apparently you can't be a fan of TL and EG at the same time... It's not just Liquid fans on this horse. Plenty of these folks are fans of different teams entirely.
Empire fans have it the hardest. A man jousting on a horse that is riding on a horse. I have to give them credit.
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On August 22 2012 13:17 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:15 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart... You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments? I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Cologne Puma beats MC in his first premier appearance after joining EG for first place at IEM Cologne.
I wasn't talking about him in specific, just as an example. MC also was slumping at the time
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On August 22 2012 14:00 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:17 Chargelot wrote:On August 22 2012 13:15 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart... You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments? I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Cologne Puma beats MC in his first premier appearance after joining EG for first place at IEM Cologne. I wasn't talking about him in specific, just as an example. MC also was slumping at the time
always an excuse. Puma has beaten MC multiple times in multiple tournaments. And he's beaten DRG, July, and a slew of other Code S and A players throughout his career.
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On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout.
Lol, this is just plain wrong. Do you even know why Taeja joined TL in the first place? He never put much emphasis on GSL, thus why he left Slayers.
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On August 22 2012 12:55 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. MC would like a word with you. oh, and by the way, its really hard to argue that Taeja's primary focus is the GSL, when he left SlayerS specifically so he could travel and participate in foreign events... pretty sure most people would agree that his primary focus appears to be foreign tournaments
Ah, beat me to it lol. Well done and good post.
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On August 22 2012 14:07 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 14:00 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2012 13:17 Chargelot wrote:On August 22 2012 13:15 Shikyo wrote:On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart... You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments? I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Cologne Puma beats MC in his first premier appearance after joining EG for first place at IEM Cologne. I wasn't talking about him in specific, just as an example. MC also was slumping at the time always an excuse. Puma has beaten MC multiple times in multiple tournaments. And he's beaten DRG, July, and a slew of other Code S and A players throughout his career.
And he just beat Nestea as well in the recent IEM
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On August 22 2012 13:15 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 13:09 cavalier117 wrote:On August 22 2012 13:06 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships. Comparing 13 total months to 5 months is foolish first of all. Given how rapidly the SC2 scene is evolving any data from before March 29, 2012 just shows that Taeja was at fault for not joining a Foreign team sooner. Not to mention how blatantly misleading the "Premier medals" part of his post is. Puma isn't 6 of 6 by the way. Since Taeja has joined Team Liquid the following is true for premier tournaments that either at least Puma or Taeja entered (9 total) Puma - Entered 8 out of 9 (exception being GSL Season 3) Total Prize Money - 6200 Premium Medals - 0 out of 8 List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 650 - iem7 cologne 17th-20th 0 - ROG Summer 2012 3rd in 2nd Group Stage 0 - Summer Arena 2012 Knocked out 1st round losers round 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer 4th in 3rd Group Stage 3500 - 2012 Spring Championship - 5th/6th place 0 - GSL Code S S3 - DNE 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm 4th Place in 3rd Group Stage 1050 - NASL Season 3 Division Rewards (150 Per Win 7-1 record) 1000 - IPL4 17th-20th Taeja- Entered 5 out of 9 (exceptions being NASL S3, IEM S7 Cologne, MLG 2012 Spring Champ, DH Open Stockholm) Total Prize Money - 25558 Premium Medals - 2 out of 5 (2 gold) List is in: Prize Money - Tournament - Ranking 0 - iem7 cologne DNE 13000 - ROG Sumemr 2012 1ST 10000 - Summer Arena 2012 1st 0 - 2012 DH Open Summer - 9-16th place 0 - 2012 Spring Championship DNE 2558 - GSL Code S S3 - 5th-8th place 0 - 2012 DH Open Stockholm DNE 0 - NASL Season 3 DNE 0 - IPL4 Lost in open bracket Sorry for the formatting but you get my point. His post is incredibly biased, misleading and a poor example as to why Stephano will do well. you do realize that the OP mathematically factored in that, at his current pace, Taeja would need 15 monthes to accomplish what PuMA did, compared to PuMa's 13 monthes. you know... the entire point of the chart... You know how much sense it makes comparing the current situation to the situation in 2011 when just about no koreans played in foreigner tournaments? I'd go as far as to say that Puma would have accomplished nothing at all if people like MC actually went to tournaments back then. Wut? Puma owned MC three tourneys in a row, all foreign.
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USA29055 Posts
remind me to never get on the wrong side of chargelot
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On August 22 2012 13:34 Plansix wrote:
Chargelot: crushing the EG haters under and endless tide of logic, data and facts. The three things they barely understand. It is both painful and awesome to read. Keep it up sir.
Indeed. A manly and worthy performance. Facts and logic > haters
Best of luck to Stephano, especially if he ends up as EGStephano!
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You guys are still missing the point. No one is saying Puma was bad or that EG causes a decrease in skill. Merely that those "statistics that were posted are misleading and not representative of current facts. It's like saying Mexico is the best football team in the world because they won the Olympics even though top talents were missing from the tournament. In the NASL season 2 final Puma only had 2 Koreans to compete with whereas tournaments now regularly have 10 plus. It's nothing against him, he's a great player. It's just misleading.
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On August 22 2012 15:15 Mufaa wrote:
You guys are still missing the point. No one is saying Puma was bad or that EG causes a decrease in skill. Merely that those "statistics that were posted are misleading and not representative of current facts. It's like saying Mexico is the best football team in the world because they won the Olympics even though top talents were missing from the tournament. In the NASL season 2 final Puma only had 2 Koreans to compete with whereas tournaments now regularly have 10 plus. It's nothing against him, he's a great player. It's just misleading.
then both of taeja's tournament wins are misleading, same with almost any other foreign tournament besides ipl4
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I think most of us knew that Stephano would likely be signing with EG, although to be honest, I would like to see him sign with a different team instead. I love EG and for some reason I just can't see him being with them :/ best of luck though to Stephano!
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On August 22 2012 06:20 naux wrote:
I like how most of you lil kids dont know much about anything.
Stephano if he leaves and joins EG, its actually a good thing for SC2. Why do you ask? Because if Stephano, and ThorZain never got picked up by EG, they would most likely both have retired from SC2. Stephano stated many times that he wanted to retire make as much money and then leave the scene, just like ThorZain. If there was no EG, Stephano and ThorZain probably would have retired and most of you guys would probably just cry.
So EG is actually giving them a chance to still play and make money, just how they liked. Stephano was going to EG you can just tell he blends into the team so well that if he didnt, it would make no sense. Everyone here should expect him going to EG so most of you have to quit crying because if there was no EG they most likely would have retired.
I strongly disagree, first because you insult most people here then drop some untrue facts ( BTW for this you could be considered as the child around here )
I don't really have a problem with EG and I think he's gonna be fine there, but I have to correct you :
Thorzain was planning to stop playing, because he was on a slump and wanted to follow studies but he won Dreamhack, that's why he's still here, you just can't argue with this, would he have stopped playing if he hadnt improved his salary soon after ? Probably yes.
Then Stephano who got convinced by other progamers to stay one more year way way way before he was announced to join EG and could have joined almost ANY team in the world.
PS : Your statement could have been true for Lzgamer ! so you're not that wrong after all 
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On August 22 2012 10:34 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:29 matiK23 wrote:On August 22 2012 02:54 Pokebunny wrote:On August 22 2012 02:39 Unnamed wrote:
Joining EG is probably not a good idea. Players they have never improve. Maybe you will get an "awesome salary", but you will lose your skill. Do you remember Huk? He left Liquid for EG's money, and where he is now? Same with other EG players. They are bad in terms of skill. You will probably have a good chance to become a popular caster though. The amount of cluelessness and lack of logic in posts like these is astounding. It's amazing how hard people to try convince themselves that EG is the bad guy when the reality is that it's not their fault that no other teams can afford what they can. Yet somehow it's evil to offer great players salaries they are deserving of. What EG is doing is really not honorable, not matter how indirectly. Less fortunate teams cannot play SC money ball style because starcraft is not a team based game. Specialists don't really work except in team leagues but individual wins are way more prestigious than ipl tac or gstl. When a team takes all the players that produce results before joining said team, that creates a monopoly because on paper, all the good players are on one team. Thus the EG curse. I call it karma. Universe is working as it should be. No. No, no, no. That's retarded, seriously. Most progamers are working their asses off for very little pay. EG is the only one that offers players a fair full-time salary for a competitive player. Asking players to make less money just because it's more honorable or some stupid shit is retarded - we NEED players to get paid more, consistently, by more teams. EG is the only one on the right track.
Ofcourse it would be ideal if all the sc2 pros would get paid more. Thats not the issue. What is problematic about this is that one team can afford to pay alot more than the rest. This is never good for a young scene like sc2. Just look at football, which is quite established as a sport to say the least. Even there many are complaining about these teams (man city, PSG etc) driving the prices through the roof. Everything isnt black and white.
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On August 22 2012 15:18 sam05396 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 15:15 Mufaa wrote:
You guys are still missing the point. No one is saying Puma was bad or that EG causes a decrease in skill. Merely that those "statistics that were posted are misleading and not representative of current facts. It's like saying Mexico is the best football team in the world because they won the Olympics even though top talents were missing from the tournament. In the NASL season 2 final Puma only had 2 Koreans to compete with whereas tournaments now regularly have 10 plus. It's nothing against him, he's a great player. It's just misleading. then both of taeja's tournament wins are misleading, same with almost any other foreign tournament besides ipl4
No. Using Puma's prize money from when it was a given that whichever Koreans entered would at, least top 8 compared to now where there are more Korean GSL level players entering than there are money spots. It can't be argued that in 2011 Puma was one of the top 3 Koreans in the foreign scene. If you compare results from a comparable timeframe it's pretty easy to see that his results are no longer godly. It's not because he's dropped in skill either is that the competition has increased. Using a year old tournament with a 40k prize is no more indicative of current skill than saying Slayers is the best team in the world because they won two GSTLs back I'm 2010/2011
They can still be the best team but when you're talking about how they've progressed since a date using outdated results as anything but a benchmark is outright wrong.
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Didn't Incontrol once say that Stephano joining them would be highly unlikely because of his personality?
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On August 22 2012 15:06 iNcontroL wrote:
remind me to never get on the wrong side of chargelot
Just make sure not to leave your current team to join EG. You should be fine 
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On August 22 2012 09:01 kubiks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:43 Snijjer wrote:On August 22 2012 07:53 Slardar wrote:This is my personal take on why EG gets a lot of flak, including from myself in this regard. Their business strategy just seems to be a monopoly on Western SC2 eSports. This isn't an issue for stabilized markets, scenes, but SC2 eSports is still very young. We need rivalries and competition, to foster the communities growth. Remember Liquid HuK vs EG IdrA? That was HUGE in our scene, until EG took that away from us. EG has no respect to other teams and the market, leaving teams crippled in their wake. (Mouz, Liquid, until replacements). Look at the future, they will be the kings of the rubble that is left of the market. Here are some interesting links that someone pointed me toward. http://www.myeg.net/stephanohttp://www.myeg.net/kas I seriously doubt the general public cares about what team players are on. Nestea has faced MVP in the GSL finals a couple times - did the fact that they were teammates decrease the entertainment, exposure or take away from their rivalry? I don't think so. Yep, if a couple time equals zero time. Sounds funny but the two guys that had the most GSL titles never met in finals... The only final with both players from the same team we had was DRG vs Genious.And as a sidenote YES I care in what team my player is (FXO fighting!). In this case it matters even more because one of my favorite player goes for the only team I hate...
What about Nestea vs Losira GSL July?
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