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Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this community hate on EG. They promote their players and their brand well, they actually seem to pay their players more than a pittance, they opened up a team house, and they do a lot of community interaction. All of these things are good and help push esports toward something more normal and stable than it is now. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have so many young people in Korea and elsewhere devoting all of their time to this game and making either no salary or a mockery of one for their efforts.
I'm not even a fan of any of the players on EG except for Demuslim but it's completely obvious that the organization is setting a good example that other teams should be looking to follow. And yet half the community is always shitting on them. Makes no sense.
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
wow so much effort in this post.
Trolls owned
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Good pickup for EG, they were seriously lacking in the Z department
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
And that's how the EG haters were silenced in one fell swoop.
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On August 22 2012 11:58 forsooth wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this community hate on EG. They promote their players and their brand well, they actually seem to pay their players more than a pittance, they opened up a team house, and they do a lot of community interaction. All of these things are good and help push esports toward something more normal and stable than it is now. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have so many young people in Korea and elsewhere devoting all of their time to this game and making either no salary or a mockery of one for their efforts.
I'm not even a fan of any of the players on EG except for Demuslim but it's completely obvious that the organization is setting a good example that other teams should be looking to follow. And yet half the community is always shitting on them. Makes no sense.
Apparently you can't be a fan of TL and EG at the same time...
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
I love data. Thanks for the data.
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
Great post.
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
Never seen trolls get owned so hard then this right here.
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
Nice data. Will see what time brings for Stephano, hope he'll do well 
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i'm a bit curious what the differece between EG's and Mill's offer.
Even though we will never find out the difference, if it isn't that much, i'm a bit sad that stephano isn't showing any loyalty to Mill. Considering how long he has been with the team (through good times and bad), i'm surprised that he wants a chanage of scenary too.
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On August 22 2012 12:21 hesho89 wrote:
i'm a bit curious what the differece between EG's and Mill's offer.
Even though we will never find out the difference, if it isn't that much, i'm a bit sad that stephano isn't showing any loyalty to Mill. Considering how long he has been with the team (through good times and bad), i'm surprised that he wants a chanage of scenary too.
He got sick of Mill trying to get him to actually show up to their cups.
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On August 22 2012 12:21 hesho89 wrote:
i'm a bit curious what the differece between EG's and Mill's offer.
Even though we will never find out the difference, if it isn't that much, i'm a bit sad that stephano isn't showing any loyalty to Mill. Considering how long he has been with the team (through good times and bad), i'm surprised that he wants a chanage of scenary too.
I hope one day, esports is more established enough where there wont be financial anonymity. I would love to know more about the numbers and earnings for players. but of course i fully understand at this point and time why that kind of information is not released. but i do think when esports is at a level where information like that can be disclosed it will also bring forth more legitimacy. and the only way one team does it is if every other team starts doing it
im a sports junkie, and i think its kinda cool knowing what each player makes and how financially valued they are by their respective teams
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Wow I'm actually really surprised by this, not sure if anyone else is 
Great pick up, hopefully he continues to do well and will help the rest improve too.
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison.
All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout.
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On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout.
cause since joining TL Taeja hasn't been playing in tournaments....
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On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout.
How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja?
Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships.
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On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine.
The statistics are great. Puma earns more than Taeja. Yes. EG players in general earn much more than Liquid players. But I doubt most TL players join TL to make hardcore cash-money. Not suggesting anything, just saying.
For me, I judge trades by comparing how much the team benefits and how much the player benefits. I find it quite awesome that TL makes it extraordinarily far in team leagues against top-tiered Korean teams consistently. Yes the individual players earn less, but there is always this feel about the TL team that's so much more/different than any other (especially after watching Liquid Rising). The philosophy and love that goes into player selection, as well as the personal connections are quite amazing.
This isn't to bash EG; they have so much to be admired for. But at the same time, I cannot think of a better team in terms of camaraderie, support, personality, and love than TL. Of course, it's hard to ignore the "well there goes another great player to EG". However, all the bashing against EG is quite harsh. Only the players themselves know definitively which of their teams contributed to them the most. Some would say finances are most important. Nothing wrong with that. Some, like TLO, would say that just being on TL is priceless. Again, nothing wrong with that either. Each player has different motivations and we should all respect them for that. Whether we like it or not is a totally different matter.
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On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison. All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout. How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja? Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships.
His answer, which is not the most illogical by the way would be probably "Taeja's mistake was sticking around Korea the first 2 years of SC instead of becoming the 1-1-1 terran and picking up easy wins against inferior opponents the way Puma did."
A Korean, GSL level, pro who said screw it, quit GSL in early 2011 and started showing up at MLGs and IEMS would have made significantly more dough than just grinding it out at GSL.
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On August 22 2012 12:41 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
Player:
Team (Length on team) - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team
Puma:
EG (~13 months) - 2G - 2S - 2B | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL (~9 months) - 3G - 0S - 0B | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6
Taeja:
Liquid (~5 months) - 6G - 1S - 0B | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months) - 9G - 2S - 0B | $1,600 | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7
All information gathered from Liquipedia.
- Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
- Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
- While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
- If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
- Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
- Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
- Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
- Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
I think Stephano is going to be fine. The statistics are great. Puma earns more than Taeja. Yes. EG players in general earn much more than Liquid players. But I doubt most TL players join TL to make hardcore cash-money. Not suggesting anything, just saying. For me, I judge trades by comparing how much the team benefits and how much the player benefits. I find it quite awesome that TL makes it extraordinarily far in team leagues against top-tiered Korean teams consistently. Yes the individual players earn less, but there is always this feel about the TL team that's so much more/different than any other (especially after watching Liquid Rising). The philosophy and love that goes into player selection, as well as the personal connections are quite amazing. This isn't to bash EG; they have so much to be admired for. But at the same time, I cannot think of a better team in terms of camaraderie, support, personality, and love than TL. Of course, it's hard to ignore the "well there goes another great player to EG". However, all the bashing against EG is quite harsh. Only the players themselves know definitively which of their teams contributed to them the most. Some would say finances are most important. Nothing wrong with that. Some, like TLO, would say that just being on TL is priceless. Again, nothing wrong with that either. Each player has different motivations and we should all respect them for that. Whether we like it or not is a totally different matter.
As a note, by no means was the data set meant to besmirch Liquid in any way. It was just to show that Puma has been intensely successful since joining EG, I picked the first team off the top of my head to compare EG to, which happened to be liquid. and I picked the most successful player picked up by that team after the initial SC2 roster was created.
I compared EG's most successful (?) late pickup to Liquid's. Both are amazing players, and I'd judge their success to be approximately equal when I consider everything, and not just the data above. But it does show that EG can foster great talent, just as Taeja shows that Liquid can do the same.
At least, that is my interpretation of the data. Everyone else is bound to have their own interpretations, and that's fine too.
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