Stephano leaving Millenium, [possibly] to EG - Page 67

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:

Player:
Team (Length on team)  - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team

Puma:
EG   (~13 months)     - 2G - 2S - 2B  | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL  (~9 months)      - 3G - 0S - 0B  | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6

Taeja:
Liquid  (~5 months)   - 6G - 1S - 0B  | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months)  - 9G - 2S - 0B  | $1,600  | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7

All information gathered from Liquipedia.

• Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
  
• Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
  
• While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
  
• If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
  

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• Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
  
• Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
  
• Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
  

I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:

Player:
Team (Length on team)  - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team

Puma:
EG   (~13 months)     - 2G - 2S - 2B  | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL  (~9 months)      - 3G - 0S - 0B  | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6

Taeja:
Liquid  (~5 months)   - 6G - 1S - 0B  | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months)  - 9G - 2S - 0B  | $1,600  | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7

All information gathered from Liquipedia.

• Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
  
• Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
  
• While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
  
• If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
  

  ---

  
  
• Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
  
• Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
  
• Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
  

I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 11:58 forsooth wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this community hate on EG. They promote their players and their brand well, they actually seem to pay their players more than a pittance, they opened up a team house, and they do a lot of community interaction. All of these things are good and help push esports toward something more normal and stable than it is now. It's absolutely ridiculous that we have so many young people in Korea and elsewhere devoting all of their time to this game and making either no salary or a mockery of one for their efforts.

I'm not even a fan of any of the players on EG except for Demuslim but it's completely obvious that the organization is setting a good example that other teams should be looking to follow. And yet half the community is always shitting on them. Makes no sense.

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:

Player:
Team (Length on team)  - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team

Puma:
EG   (~13 months)     - 2G - 2S - 2B  | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL  (~9 months)      - 3G - 0S - 0B  | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6

Taeja:
Liquid  (~5 months)   - 6G - 1S - 0B  | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months)  - 9G - 2S - 0B  | $1,600  | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7

All information gathered from Liquipedia.

• Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
  
• Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
  
• While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
  
• If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
  

  ---

  
  
• Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
  
• Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
  
• Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
  

I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:

Player:
Team (Length on team)  - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team

Puma:
EG   (~13 months)     - 2G - 2S - 2B  | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL  (~9 months)      - 3G - 0S - 0B  | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6

Taeja:
Liquid  (~5 months)   - 6G - 1S - 0B  | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months)  - 9G - 2S - 0B  | $1,600  | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7

All information gathered from Liquipedia.

• Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
  
• Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
  
• While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
  
• If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
  

  ---

  
  
• Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
  
• Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
  
• Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
  
• Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
  

I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:
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I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:

Player:
Team (Length on team)  - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team

Puma:
EG   (~13 months)     - 2G - 2S - 2B  | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL  (~9 months)      - 3G - 0S - 0B  | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6

Taeja:
Liquid  (~5 months)   - 6G - 1S - 0B  | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months)  - 9G - 2S - 0B  | $1,600  | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7

All information gathered from Liquipedia.

• Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
  
• Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
  
• While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
  
• If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
  

  ---

  
  
• Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
  
• Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
  
• Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
  
• Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
  

I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 12:21 hesho89 wrote:
i'm a bit curious what the differece between EG's and Mill's offer.

Even though we will never find out the difference, if it isn't that much, i'm a bit sad that stephano isn't showing any loyalty to Mill. Considering how long he has been with the team (through good times and bad), i'm surprised that he wants a chanage of scenary too.

On August 22 2012 12:21 hesho89 wrote:
i'm a bit curious what the differece between EG's and Mill's offer.

Even though we will never find out the difference, if it isn't that much, i'm a bit sad that stephano isn't showing any loyalty to Mill. Considering how long he has been with the team (through good times and bad), i'm surprised that he wants a chanage of scenary too.

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:

Player:
Team (Length on team)  - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team

Puma:
EG   (~13 months)     - 2G - 2S - 2B  | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL  (~9 months)      - 3G - 0S - 0B  | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6

Taeja:
Liquid  (~5 months)   - 6G - 1S - 0B  | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months)  - 9G - 2S - 0B  | $1,600  | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7

All information gathered from Liquipedia.

• Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
  
• Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
  
• While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
  
• If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
  

  ---

  
  
• Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
  
• Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
  
• Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
  
• Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
  

I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:


I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison.

All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout.

On August 22 2012 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:


I agree Stepahno will be fine but I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrid comparison.

All your chart shows that a player who isn't in the GSL at all and puts an emphasis on foreign tournaments earns more than a player whose primary focus is the GSL championship which is something we've known since GSL Open Season 1. You can't win money from tournaments you don't attend so of course Puma has a higher payout.

On August 22 2012 11:46 Chargelot wrote:

Player:
Team (Length on team)  - Medal count | Money won | Money won divided by length on team

Puma:
EG   (~13 months)     - 2G - 2S - 2B  | $79,550 | $6119.231/month
TSL  (~9 months)      - 3G - 0S - 0B  | $50,600 | $5622.222/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on EG: 6 of 6

Taeja:
Liquid  (~5 months)   - 6G - 1S - 0B  | $24,800 | $4960.000/month
SlayerS (~11 months)  - 9G - 2S - 0B  | $1,600  | $145.455/month
Medals from non-qualifier premier level tournaments while on Liquid: 2 of 7

All information gathered from Liquipedia.

• Since joining EG/Liquid respectively, Puma has been about 23.4% more financially successful per month than Taeja
  
• Puma has earned 301.325% of Taeja's total prize money (Liquid + SlayerS), only counting Puma's time and prizes while in EG.
  
• While on their respective foreigner teams, Puma has won 3 times as many medals from http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
  
• If continuing at the current rate, Taeja will require 15 total months on Liquid to acquire as many premier league medals, as well as 16 total months on Liquid to catch up in prize money with Puma's EG prize winnings. Compare to Puma's 13 months.
  

  ---

  
  
• Taeja has performed multiple All-kills, through which any prize money awarded from the feats were distributed to the team, not Taeja (though it is likely he received a good cut, it is not listed on Liquipedia).
  
• Taeja appears to have not been paid for 2 events while he was in SlayerS, or the payment amounts remain unknown
  
• Most of Taeja's gold medals are from ESV weekly tournaments which awarded $100-150 to first place winners
  
• Please note this data contains information from top-3 finishes only.
  

I think Stephano is going to be fine.

On August 22 2012 12:34 FairForever wrote:


How is it horrid? Would you rather be Puma or Taeja?

Hint: One of them has won significantly more money. And this sounds crazy, but they're tied in GSL championships.

On August 22 2012 12:41 xXFireandIceXx wrote:


The statistics are great. Puma earns more than Taeja. Yes. EG players in general earn much more than Liquid players. But I doubt most TL players join TL to make hardcore cash-money. Not suggesting anything, just saying.

For me, I judge trades by comparing how much the team benefits and how much the player benefits. I find it quite awesome that TL makes it extraordinarily far in team leagues against top-tiered Korean teams consistently. Yes the individual players earn less, but there is always this feel about the TL team that's so much more/different than any other (especially after watching Liquid Rising). The philosophy and love that goes into player selection, as well as the personal connections are quite amazing.

This isn't to bash EG; they have so much to be admired for. But at the same time, I cannot think of a better team in terms of camaraderie, support, personality, and love than TL. Of course, it's hard to ignore the "well there goes another great player to EG". However, all the bashing against EG is quite harsh. Only the players themselves know definitively which of their teams contributed to them the most. Some would say finances are most important. Nothing wrong with that. Some, like TLO, would say that just being on TL is priceless. Again, nothing wrong with that either. Each player has different motivations and we should all respect them for that. Whether we like it or not is a totally different matter.