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Mineral boost trick (works in 1.5!)

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TheWisp
Profile Joined July 2012
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 11:41:54
August 14 2012 17:47 GMT
#1
Thanks to Trebis for video demonstration:


This is a simple trick I have never seen anybody using or any post talking about. EDIT: Sockfolding found this 2 years ago as Sockfolding 2.0, see below.

Workers have acceleration, so a worker would decrease speed when getting close to mineral and increase speed when leave the mineral. Same happens when returning mineral.

What I found is that you could actually right click to the front of the mineral patch, then queue (shift) right click the mineral. The worker's speed is not decreased at all. Similarly, right click near base and queue right click to base when returning resource.

Special Thanks to ForGG:
I came up with this from his stream where I noticed a queued waypoint does not decrease unit's speed.

NOTE: the boost is not 24%, someone miscalculated it



Replay:
http://drop.sc/238724
Shows how I managed to gather faster with a more distant worker than a nearer one.

Edit:
It is also possible to make workers travel faster to build: instead of build or move + build, you simply right click + shift right click on the same spot, and build when the worker reaches destination. It's same fast as "pass by destination" method, but easier to use.

Edit2:
Someone found that there was already this trick posted 2 years ago:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204762&currentpage=3#51


Thx for watching and sorry for my bad english
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2969 Posts
August 14 2012 17:48 GMT
#2
Wanna put a replay down, or something like a video/picture or content in general? Please?
FoTG fighting!
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
August 14 2012 17:50 GMT
#3
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ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 17:52:27
August 14 2012 17:51 GMT
#4
This is quite old I believe

It was nerfed (see this, third post.)

If it isn't the same - could you post data please ?
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay454 Posts
August 14 2012 17:52 GMT
#5
o_O

You just broke the Starcraft 2 skill ceiling.
TheWisp
Profile Joined July 2012
45 Posts
August 14 2012 17:55 GMT
#6
On August 15 2012 02:51 ArcticRaven wrote:
This is quite old I believe

It was nerfed (see this, third post.)

If it isn't the same - could you post data please ?

It's not the ultra old trick in 1.1 (or 1.2?)
just use queued action to remove decceleration so that the worker will take less time between mineral and base
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5977 Posts
August 14 2012 17:55 GMT
#7
When you shift-click like that, I thought the unit slows down as it gets to the waypoint, then exequtes the next command in the sequence. So how does this not just cause your worker to slow down in the same mannor, but now with shift-commands?

You really need a video or more description/data to back up a claim like this.
I can take that responsibility.
TheWisp
Profile Joined July 2012
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 17:58:04
August 14 2012 17:57 GMT
#8
On August 15 2012 02:55 Tictock wrote:
When you shift-click like that, I thought the unit slows down as it gets to the waypoint, then exequtes the next command in the sequence. So how does this not just cause your worker to slow down in the same mannor, but now with shift-commands?

You really need a video or more description/data to back up a claim like this.

I thought exactly the same as you before, until I tried...

Replay added
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 21:07:33
August 14 2012 17:58 GMT
#9
I was under the impression that they had fixed this. Were you on a custom map that had reverted to old patch balance perhaps?

edit - it works, was thinking of the other trick
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monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2388 Posts
August 14 2012 18:00 GMT
#10
That definitely works, from watching the replay. Hmmm..... I suppose this will be fixed within a couple days.
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1034 Posts
August 14 2012 18:02 GMT
#11
can anyone confirm that this is really working?
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1262 Posts
August 14 2012 18:04 GMT
#12
It's not the same as the sockfolding of old days, which was queuing "return resources" followed by a right-click on the mineral patch. Sockfolding got rid of the small delay, where the worker has the mineral in hand already, but doesn't vacate the patch.

This works different from the description.
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1238 Posts
August 14 2012 18:04 GMT
#13
On August 15 2012 02:55 TheWisp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 02:51 ArcticRaven wrote:
This is quite old I believe

It was nerfed (see this, third post.)

If it isn't the same - could you post data please ?

It's not the ultra old trick in 1.1 (or 1.2?)
just use queued action to remove decceleration so that the worker will take less time between mineral and base


Oh ok. Sorry then.
[Govie] Wierd shit, on a 6 game AP winning streak with KOTL in the trench. I searched gandalf quotes and spammed them all game long, trenchwarfare247, whateva it takes!
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1338 Posts
August 14 2012 18:08 GMT
#14
This takes twice the actions it did previously when they nerfed that one. If you pull this off you deserve the damn minerals.
Slipspace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States381 Posts
August 14 2012 18:08 GMT
#15
they removed this before they can remove it again
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
August 14 2012 18:10 GMT
#16
Wow, I just watched the replay. Looks like it works. I'll try it myself right now.
coLCruncher fighting!
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 18:15:35
August 14 2012 18:11 GMT
#17
On August 15 2012 03:04 Thrombozyt wrote:
It's not the same as the sockfolding of old days, which was queuing "return resources" followed by a right-click on the mineral patch. Sockfolding got rid of the small delay, where the worker has the mineral in hand already, but doesn't vacate the patch.

This works different from the description.


Sigh, I remember the good old days of sockfolding.

Edit: Can't try this right now, can someone give an estimate of how much of a boost this gives? Thanks.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1158 Posts
August 14 2012 18:14 GMT
#18
On August 15 2012 03:08 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
This takes twice the actions it did previously when they nerfed that one. If you pull this off you deserve the damn minerals.


this is what i was thinking too...

-_-
My religion is Starcraft
kYem
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom404 Posts
August 14 2012 18:16 GMT
#19
The thing is that you actually can do this one or two times, coz stacking scv to the closer mineral patches will be more usefull in the long run...

Nice trick, maybe it will be useful on maps were is only 2 closer mineral patches
Hell
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
August 14 2012 18:17 GMT
#20
On August 15 2012 03:10 TitleRug wrote:
Wow, I just watched the replay. Looks like it works. I'll try it myself right now.

It works but it's very APM intensive; I probably won't do this in a real game
coLCruncher fighting!
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