Heart of the Swarm TvP Battle Report! - Page 48

On August 14 2012 18:19 Broodwurst wrote:


New unit = mothership thor. Attached to a PF so it can shot air plus yamato hyperdrive so it can lift off. And shoot while flying.

On August 14 2012 17:37 dynwar7 wrote:


Thats 2 people now.

May I ask why people think Core will kill bio? Are you saying because of Core, bio will simply be not viable int TvP?

Is it because of the high damage, slow rate of fire? If so, losing a few mara/marine is not ad bas as losing a few tanks/warhounds right?

Someone please explain how Core will kill bio....?

zergs swarm host, and battle hellions are two example of units that i feel are highly well balanced and fit in the starcraft esports universe. Protoss, zerg, and terran could stand to each GAIN two units that are balanced and fun in concept as these units, and carriers shouldnt be removed.

What can blizzard design and add? Well i understand designing units is hard and your tempted to make cool weird things. But sometimes bland things like battle hellions can be what is needed.


Heres some units that blizzard could possibly take design ideas from for new hots units

1) scout from brood war. imagine if protoss got a unit that was like the scout but rebalanced. i think a cool name might be "strider" or something (from lord of the rings lol). pretty much a unit exactly like the scout BUT its balanced to have a combat purpose. maybe a strong anti-air missiles, fairly weak ground attack, and lots of health and 4food. So it would be balanced to counter broodlords (what tosses are having trouble with) but it would be weak to hydras/queens but be 4food so its very resilient against fungals

2) spellbreaker from warcraft 3. the unit seemed to be a pretty well designed concept wise unit. how about a terran bio unit wearing a powerful new ghostlike--telekineses--suit that makes him immune to aoe spells (fungal, storm) but maybe with weaker combat stats but a strong armored tanking telekineses suit, to serve as a melee (or 2range) biounit that tanks against storms/fungals while marauders/reapers shoot from the back?


3) mountain giants form warcraft 3. this was a cool designed unit imo. I dont believe taunts should exist in SC2, but maybe some kind of massive collossal unit could be introduced that costs 12supply and move really slow. but which race would get it? but it would need strong weaknesses and possibly a strong strength as well.

im thinking something like this seems more zerg appropriate. maybe let zerg have it to serve as a ultra lategame fearsome creature. make only 1 allowed like the mothership. give it 0.7 movement speed and strong melee combat stats but it can be kited a whole lot, and when the zerg puts one into a nydus it can do tons of damage. Heck maybe possibly make it constructed from a nydus instead of larva, like you build it from the nydus network and then you unload it from a worm. this kind of seems like the "offensive nydus" blizzard was talking about but im thinking of making this an actual unit.

heres an idea i just ballparked in my head just showing some light brainstorming

make it cost 12supply
make it large and fearsome
make it move super slow (maybe 0.5 speed)
make it have like 3range, but strong stats
make it require hive, and its built INSIDE a nydus network and takes 120 seconds to build (as much as a carrier)
after its constructed, the nydus network may release this beast and it walks around the map like any other unit (but very slowly). this unit cannot be put inside overlords, but it can move across the map with nydus's. It mostly just demolishes buildings but moves slow and can be kited.
you can only build 1, it required hive+nydus network

Im thinking for combat stats, how about 4x the health of ultralisk, 4x the DPS of an ultralisk (no splash. would be overpowered), 1base armor, 12food, 3range, 0.4 movement speed, and 900/600 unit cost. So for 900/600 cost (the price of 3 ultras) your getting a unit as STRONG as 4ultras, but only costs as much food as 2ultras, but moves EXTREMELY SLOW (0.4 speed)

i think this is a cool designed unit. its certainly not too fearsome for terran/toss because they can KITE it all day with stimmed bio and it only has 4 max armor





alright there. i just brainstormed 3 unit ideas that in my opinion have more depth and interesting design elements than everything in the HOTS alpha

i seriously believe if HOTS units arent more in line with how sc2 units should "feel" like, chances are hots will fail horribly and most tournaments wont switch over to it.

hots is not garunteed to take over WoL's spotlight. if HOTS doesnt "feel" as amazing as wol feels to viewers, many viewers might prefer watching WoL tournaments.

thankfully, blizzard has 1year to fix things

On August 10 2012 22:12 Wildmoon wrote:
The reason why we get TvP BR so late is because David Kim has been trying to make mech work in HotS and now finally he win with it so he can show it now.

On August 14 2012 18:20 Gosi wrote:
The problem with sc2 and Blizzard is that they are making units and then tells us how to use them and play it out. It's very strict on how they are suppose to be used. Not only are they designed so you can't use them in a different way, but when people have found out ways to use units in ways Blizzard didn't have in mind they patched them.

It's these fucking roles and categories Blizzard puts the units in that fucking sucks and it is boring.

On August 14 2012 18:32 kaokentake wrote:


quoting the ending there cuz i thott my ideas were kool

On August 14 2012 18:20 Gosi wrote:
The problem with sc2 and Blizzard is that they are making units and then tells us how to use them and play it out. It's very strict on how they are suppose to be used. Not only are they designed so you can't use them in a different way, but when people have found out ways to use units in ways Blizzard didn't have in mind they patched them.

It's these fucking roles and categories Blizzard puts the units in that fucking sucks and it is boring.