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I'll do some 1+1 and some speculating but I'll try to be moderate because a lot of those involved seem to be good people.
-It's relative but we can probably say that Naniwa was not a cheap investment for Quantic. Mark mentioned some numbers but I don't know how public he has been about it I wont quote him. There are probably more(possibly a lot more) expensive players but that naniwa had a decent contract should not be very controversial.
-Couple of months ago Naniwa said that if he would change teams they would have to take Sase too.
-On real talk Naniwa said Quantic had some form of financial issues(before the Vile merge?) and that after the Vile merge there was some form of double leadership. And possibly some Naniwa-related things changed around that time.
So, one reason that "Quantic had attempted to sell Naniwa for the last 4-5 months"(from Slashers gamespot article) could be to try to save money. And if Naniwa wanted Sase to be included in any team switches, that could have made it more complicated.
The Sase-Naniwa bromance ended and some teams are still interested and some aren't anymore according to Naniwa. And at least one team supposedly backed out when he didn't win the Swedish WCS.
There are hints all over the place about financial aspects, social relations, what roles different teams played this far and so on but I might have crossed the moderate speculation line already.
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On August 02 2012 04:24 TheExodus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:19 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 02 2012 04:16 TheExodus wrote:
My guess is that he's sick of Korea and kind of fed up with SC2. I think he'll be home in Sweden for quite some time before joining another team, and especially a Korean team. Im guessing exactly the opposite. ^.^ So fed up with Korea and sick of SC2? 
heh :D
On August 02 2012 09:51 Samp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 09:27 Quesadilla wrote:On August 02 2012 09:25 Southlight wrote:
I don't understand why people are hating on pro players wanting more money. They need the money for living, but more importantly (yes it's important) they need it for the respect, both from the industry and for the industry. You won't get pro players unless it becomes a viable profession (hence the word professional), and if players consistently remain pushovers perfectly content with prize money you'll either need a miracle (korean gaming bubble for progamers, although to be honest a lot of those poor kids have terrible futures lying ahead as education dropouts) or remain content with essentially an amateur circuit.
We don't know how much money he wants and such, but as unquestionably one of the premier foreign players, he needs to set the standard for salary. As Boxer said in his autobiography, one of the big reasons why progaming exploded in Korea was that he was given a "one million won" salary, which legitimized the industry and gave people something to aspire to. That's funny, one million won is $1,000. You sure about that quote? 1 million won is $100,000 100k $ thats a lot.
nooo its not.
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On August 02 2012 09:37 dignitas.merz wrote:
People saying he's greedy, maybe, but you've gotta put yourself in his shoes as well. I think in the beginning most progamers are just satisfied with earning enough money to actually sustain (pay rent, pay for food) but once you start winning events and you become a very formidable player, you're probably asking yourself "don't I deserve more now?" Just like you would in any other job, who would work for minimum wage still when they're clearly outperforming 95% of the other people in their profession(?) not many I'd say.
Good post from a pro, ty for the insight.
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On August 02 2012 14:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:24 TheExodus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:19 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On August 02 2012 04:16 TheExodus wrote:
My guess is that he's sick of Korea and kind of fed up with SC2. I think he'll be home in Sweden for quite some time before joining another team, and especially a Korean team. Im guessing exactly the opposite. ^.^ So fed up with Korea and sick of SC2? heh :D Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 09:51 Samp wrote:On August 02 2012 09:27 Quesadilla wrote:On August 02 2012 09:25 Southlight wrote:
I don't understand why people are hating on pro players wanting more money. They need the money for living, but more importantly (yes it's important) they need it for the respect, both from the industry and for the industry. You won't get pro players unless it becomes a viable profession (hence the word professional), and if players consistently remain pushovers perfectly content with prize money you'll either need a miracle (korean gaming bubble for progamers, although to be honest a lot of those poor kids have terrible futures lying ahead as education dropouts) or remain content with essentially an amateur circuit.
We don't know how much money he wants and such, but as unquestionably one of the premier foreign players, he needs to set the standard for salary. As Boxer said in his autobiography, one of the big reasons why progaming exploded in Korea was that he was given a "one million won" salary, which legitimized the industry and gave people something to aspire to. That's funny, one million won is $1,000. You sure about that quote? 1 million won is $100,000 100k $ thats a lot. nooo its not.
Are you saying that the KRW to USD translation is incorrect, or that USD $100,000 is not a lot for progamer salary?
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the translation is incorrect, its WAY off:
1 South Korean won =about 0.0009 U.S. dollars I think
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Makes a little difference yeah 
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Maybe Fnatic will pick him up?
FnaticRCNaNi seems ok :D
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I would love to see IM_Naniwa, but thats probably not going to happen
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The idea that Idra or Incontrol has any say in who EG recruits is pure insanity and drivel. EG has 1 superstar and his name is Justin Wong, everyone else is easily replaceable. They will get whoever can to please their sponsors
Carmac said it well, that when you see players leaving or quitting a team, 99% of the time it is a monetary issue. This isent very drama filled or interesting but is the reality. So most likely it is a issue about money
Wish Naniwa the best, he is one of the very few foreigners who has taken the battle to Korea and is trying to establish himself there, whereas many others havent.
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his performance may pick him up a team just as much as his attitude wouldn't.
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On August 02 2012 16:59 SEA KarMa wrote:
his performance may pick him up a team just as much as his attitude wouldn't.
Nothing wrong with his attitude, watch real talk.
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On August 02 2012 17:09 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 16:59 SEA KarMa wrote:
his performance may pick him up a team just as much as his attitude wouldn't. Nothing wrong with his attitude, watch real talk.
Teams are still hesitant becuase of that.
Nani is a great guy, but he can be a bit unpredictable sometimes.
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On August 02 2012 09:37 dignitas.merz wrote:
People saying he's greedy, maybe, but you've gotta put yourself in his shoes as well. I think in the beginning most progamers are just satisfied with earning enough money to actually sustain (pay rent, pay for food) but once you start winning events and you become a very formidable player, you're probably asking yourself "don't I deserve more now?" Just like you would in any other job, who would work for minimum wage still when they're clearly outperforming 95% of the other people in their profession(?) not many I'd say.
Very true.
Everyone wants more money no matter what your profession is. It is not greed, but just the need for financial security.
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On August 02 2012 17:12 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 09:37 dignitas.merz wrote:
People saying he's greedy, maybe, but you've gotta put yourself in his shoes as well. I think in the beginning most progamers are just satisfied with earning enough money to actually sustain (pay rent, pay for food) but once you start winning events and you become a very formidable player, you're probably asking yourself "don't I deserve more now?" Just like you would in any other job, who would work for minimum wage still when they're clearly outperforming 95% of the other people in their profession(?) not many I'd say. Very true. Everyone wants more money no matter what your profession is. It is not greed, but just the need for financial security.
Nice to have the feedback of an actual progammer, thx, seeing it that way really helps understand the whole money issue.
You must be very strong minded having stayed in a Korean house all alone ! Shows your determination to improve !
Nani it's always a pleasure to watch your play, and I wish you the best of luck !
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On August 02 2012 16:51 Tyree wrote:
The idea that Idra or Incontrol has any say in who EG recruits is pure insanity and drivel. EG has 1 superstar and his name is Justin Wong, everyone else is easily replaceable. They will get whoever can to please their sponsors
Carmac said it well, that when you see players leaving or quitting a team, 99% of the time it is a monetary issue. This isent very drama filled or interesting but is the reality. So most likely it is a issue about money
Wish Naniwa the best, he is one of the very few foreigners who has taken the battle to Korea and is trying to establish himself there, whereas many others havent.
couldn't be more wrong lololol
look at our sponsors.. who of those is a fgc sponsor... hmm interesting eh. but yeah, there are hundreds of idras and incontrols lololol
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On August 02 2012 17:46 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 16:51 Tyree wrote:
The idea that Idra or Incontrol has any say in who EG recruits is pure insanity and drivel. EG has 1 superstar and his name is Justin Wong, everyone else is easily replaceable. They will get whoever can to please their sponsors
Carmac said it well, that when you see players leaving or quitting a team, 99% of the time it is a monetary issue. This isent very drama filled or interesting but is the reality. So most likely it is a issue about money
Wish Naniwa the best, he is one of the very few foreigners who has taken the battle to Korea and is trying to establish himself there, whereas many others havent. couldn't be more wrong lololol look at our sponsors.. who of those is a fgc sponsor... hmm interesting eh. but yeah, there are hundreds of idras and incontrols lololol
nah you are unique :/
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On August 02 2012 17:46 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 16:51 Tyree wrote:
The idea that Idra or Incontrol has any say in who EG recruits is pure insanity and drivel. EG has 1 superstar and his name is Justin Wong, everyone else is easily replaceable. They will get whoever can to please their sponsors
Carmac said it well, that when you see players leaving or quitting a team, 99% of the time it is a monetary issue. This isent very drama filled or interesting but is the reality. So most likely it is a issue about money
Wish Naniwa the best, he is one of the very few foreigners who has taken the battle to Korea and is trying to establish himself there, whereas many others havent. couldn't be more wrong lololol look at our sponsors.. who of those is a fgc sponsor... hmm interesting eh. but yeah, there are hundreds of idras and incontrols lololol
So thats how you have so many posts.......... oh god oh god
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