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On August 01 2012 06:05 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:00 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 01 2012 05:57 Assirra wrote:On August 01 2012 05:32 CounterOrder wrote:On August 01 2012 05:21 Assirra wrote:On August 01 2012 05:16 Doodsmack wrote:On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity. Combine that with Naniwa's consistent use of BM (that stretches back to WC3 days) and I don't think it's baseless to profile Naniwa as a "caveat emptor" pickup. I'm not a drama queen but it's also foolish to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is fine. Yes you can have your opinion but that's irrelevant. If you bring a negative opinion into a thread where it's tangential at best, and that thread is clearly a wildfire drama thread, then you're a drama queen. And no, expressing your opinion articulately does not shield you from being a drama queen. Speculation on where he'll go is pointless because as an outsider, you have no idea what you're talking about. And no, the stories you've read on the forums and on ITG and SOTG dont make you informed. Moreover negative talk about nani's personality and past is bound to fuel even more off-topic negative tangents in the thread. And yet that is also just your opinion aka irrelevant from your own logic. Are people actually saying Dood is incorrect? Seriously now. His first post was the most refreshing post ive read in months and gave me hope. You guys killed that renewed hope so fast. lol The thread is "Nani left Quantic" I didnt know it was "Shit talk Nani". Theres opinion and theres fact. The fact is this kind of posting(offtopic hate) that has become common is not beneficial in anyway. SO he asks you to refrain from such a post. Some people are sick of the ignorant one liners. I guess thats just my opinion as that sort of thing is encouraged and if anyone says something about it they get flamed. *sigh he ASKS? I think you might have missed half of the post where he goes on and on how horrible people we all are, basically preaching and then he expect everyone to be nice and shut up? Tip, if you don't wanna get into an argument, don't insult people. I'm with him. A lot of you really are horrible people. It says something when most threads I read on TL these days, are actually more negative and more filled with rage than Reddit threads. And yet you just done the same by calling a lot of you (pretending you are beyond that) and once again insulting people. Please keep on going, its amusing people preaching yet doing exactly the same.
if winning your argument with this random dude means so much to you, then yes, you are technically correct.
to me, whats more important is whether or not the statement is true. and i would have to say i think it is. if you disagree i would like to know why
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On August 01 2012 06:07 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:01 hunts wrote:On August 01 2012 05:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:Everyone shut the fuck up and read what NaniwA has to say. On August 01 2012 03:52 Naniwa wrote:guys guys, i appriciate all support but this was all my choice, i wasnt kicked or outed or forced to leave quantic  its all my choice . i can explain it more fully in voice if i come on ome show like lo3 etc but please dont assume its because of me being difficult or such!, i am very sorry about my small outburst in TSL .. i was so dissapointed when i played at a pretty bad IT cafe straight after i lost WCS swe. clearly i need more builds in these tournaments so im not as predictable, my spirit to become the best is exactly the same as always. i have no intentions of quitting quantic simply didnt feel like home to me. people might not understand me but thats okay. I guess all im trying to say is that - im not quitting and i appriciate all the support i get from all u fans! there is no need to donate to me on some paypal. i m allright. i just want to find ways to repay your faith with good games in the future ! Im sure ill find a home soon where i can relax and play without as much pressure as before <3 There. Discussion over. You guys are being fucking dicks. Fucking support the guy. He's the only foreigner flying the flag for any of us in korea, you'd think that'd mean people could put aside their desperate need to badmouth others and cause drama, for their own good and for the sake of a scene that isn't entirely korean dominated. But no, apparently you asshats feel like its far more important to find any bad thing it is possible to say about someone, and even go so far as MAKING THINGS UP based on conjecture, to justify to your dumbshit selves why you have to hate someone and make life harder for them when they've done nothing to you. And make no mistake, NaniwA hasn't done anything to any of you (Unless your name is parting and he's stolen your socks?). If you want to pull up some bullshit argument about him hurting esports for you, or making it so you can't enjoy things because of things he's done, then frankly you need to shut the hell up and take a step back, re-evaluate how much SC2 actually means within your life, because unless you're pro, there's no way it should be that important to you what Naniwa does within the scene. This isn't his fan club thread, and we aren't required to support him. There is nothing wrong with discussing where he can possibly go, when it's public knowledge that he has burned the majority of his bridge and basically ruined his own name with his attitude. People aren't really unnecessarily bashing him or making things up so I don't see what your problem is. Ok you're a fan of naniwa, great, go support him, but don't expect everyone to feel obliged to do the same. I'm not expecting everyone to like Naniwa, I'm asking for some semblance of dignity to proceedings, and that doesn't include an 80 page shitstorm about how horrible Naniwa is, from people who know nothing more about him than me or anyone else. And discussing where he can go is fine, but there's a difference between doing that and the flipside of same, which is to spend forever dismissing options on the assumption he's a horrible person. He might well be. He probably isn't. Most people probably aren't. But a bunch of this thread has been people BEING horrible people in the circumstance.
This is a forum. I dont get it why people want other people to shut up. We can all say our opinions, as long as we stay mannered. And we can say that Liquid would never acquire Nani, BECAUSE of his behavior. Why wouldnt we discuss things like this in such a thread? Because you dont like such kind of discussion?
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On August 01 2012 06:33 krisss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:07 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 01 2012 06:01 hunts wrote:On August 01 2012 05:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:Everyone shut the fuck up and read what NaniwA has to say. On August 01 2012 03:52 Naniwa wrote:guys guys, i appriciate all support but this was all my choice, i wasnt kicked or outed or forced to leave quantic its all my choice . i can explain it more fully in voice if i come on ome show like lo3 etc but please dont assume its because of me being difficult or such!, i am very sorry about my small outburst in TSL .. i was so dissapointed when i played at a pretty bad IT cafe straight after i lost WCS swe. clearly i need more builds in these tournaments so im not as predictable, my spirit to become the best is exactly the same as always. i have no intentions of quitting quantic simply didnt feel like home to me. people might not understand me but thats okay. I guess all im trying to say is that - im not quitting and i appriciate all the support i get from all u fans! there is no need to donate to me on some paypal. i m allright. i just want to find ways to repay your faith with good games in the future ! Im sure ill find a home soon where i can relax and play without as much pressure as before <3 There. Discussion over. You guys are being fucking dicks. Fucking support the guy. He's the only foreigner flying the flag for any of us in korea, you'd think that'd mean people could put aside their desperate need to badmouth others and cause drama, for their own good and for the sake of a scene that isn't entirely korean dominated. But no, apparently you asshats feel like its far more important to find any bad thing it is possible to say about someone, and even go so far as MAKING THINGS UP based on conjecture, to justify to your dumbshit selves why you have to hate someone and make life harder for them when they've done nothing to you. And make no mistake, NaniwA hasn't done anything to any of you (Unless your name is parting and he's stolen your socks?). If you want to pull up some bullshit argument about him hurting esports for you, or making it so you can't enjoy things because of things he's done, then frankly you need to shut the hell up and take a step back, re-evaluate how much SC2 actually means within your life, because unless you're pro, there's no way it should be that important to you what Naniwa does within the scene. This isn't his fan club thread, and we aren't required to support him. There is nothing wrong with discussing where he can possibly go, when it's public knowledge that he has burned the majority of his bridge and basically ruined his own name with his attitude. People aren't really unnecessarily bashing him or making things up so I don't see what your problem is. Ok you're a fan of naniwa, great, go support him, but don't expect everyone to feel obliged to do the same. I'm not expecting everyone to like Naniwa, I'm asking for some semblance of dignity to proceedings, and that doesn't include an 80 page shitstorm about how horrible Naniwa is, from people who know nothing more about him than me or anyone else. And discussing where he can go is fine, but there's a difference between doing that and the flipside of same, which is to spend forever dismissing options on the assumption he's a horrible person. He might well be. He probably isn't. Most people probably aren't. But a bunch of this thread has been people BEING horrible people in the circumstance. This is a forum. I dont get it why people want other people to shut up. We can all say our opinions, as long as we stay mannered. And we can say that Liquid would never acquire Nani, BECAUSE of his behavior. Why wouldnt we discuss things like this in such a thread? Because you dont like such kind of discussion?
Of course we can all state our opinions, which is exactly what he did. Everyone is allowed to state their opinion (within limits). This also entails that anyone can have issue with the way people state their opinions, which again is an opinion...
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On August 01 2012 06:33 krisss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:07 GuitarBizarre wrote:On August 01 2012 06:01 hunts wrote:On August 01 2012 05:34 GuitarBizarre wrote:Everyone shut the fuck up and read what NaniwA has to say. On August 01 2012 03:52 Naniwa wrote:guys guys, i appriciate all support but this was all my choice, i wasnt kicked or outed or forced to leave quantic its all my choice . i can explain it more fully in voice if i come on ome show like lo3 etc but please dont assume its because of me being difficult or such!, i am very sorry about my small outburst in TSL .. i was so dissapointed when i played at a pretty bad IT cafe straight after i lost WCS swe. clearly i need more builds in these tournaments so im not as predictable, my spirit to become the best is exactly the same as always. i have no intentions of quitting quantic simply didnt feel like home to me. people might not understand me but thats okay. I guess all im trying to say is that - im not quitting and i appriciate all the support i get from all u fans! there is no need to donate to me on some paypal. i m allright. i just want to find ways to repay your faith with good games in the future ! Im sure ill find a home soon where i can relax and play without as much pressure as before <3 There. Discussion over. You guys are being fucking dicks. Fucking support the guy. He's the only foreigner flying the flag for any of us in korea, you'd think that'd mean people could put aside their desperate need to badmouth others and cause drama, for their own good and for the sake of a scene that isn't entirely korean dominated. But no, apparently you asshats feel like its far more important to find any bad thing it is possible to say about someone, and even go so far as MAKING THINGS UP based on conjecture, to justify to your dumbshit selves why you have to hate someone and make life harder for them when they've done nothing to you. And make no mistake, NaniwA hasn't done anything to any of you (Unless your name is parting and he's stolen your socks?). If you want to pull up some bullshit argument about him hurting esports for you, or making it so you can't enjoy things because of things he's done, then frankly you need to shut the hell up and take a step back, re-evaluate how much SC2 actually means within your life, because unless you're pro, there's no way it should be that important to you what Naniwa does within the scene. This isn't his fan club thread, and we aren't required to support him. There is nothing wrong with discussing where he can possibly go, when it's public knowledge that he has burned the majority of his bridge and basically ruined his own name with his attitude. People aren't really unnecessarily bashing him or making things up so I don't see what your problem is. Ok you're a fan of naniwa, great, go support him, but don't expect everyone to feel obliged to do the same. I'm not expecting everyone to like Naniwa, I'm asking for some semblance of dignity to proceedings, and that doesn't include an 80 page shitstorm about how horrible Naniwa is, from people who know nothing more about him than me or anyone else. And discussing where he can go is fine, but there's a difference between doing that and the flipside of same, which is to spend forever dismissing options on the assumption he's a horrible person. He might well be. He probably isn't. Most people probably aren't. But a bunch of this thread has been people BEING horrible people in the circumstance. This is a forum. I dont get it why people want other people to shut up. We can all say our opinions, as long as we stay mannered. And we can say that Liquid would never acquire Nani, BECAUSE of his behavior. Why wouldnt we discuss things like this in such a thread? Because you dont like such kind of discussion?
There has been very little OF that kind of discussion, its mostly been people stating that, then continuing on to rattle off their list of personal issues with who NaniwA is. If we'd been discussing only that, then this thread would have been maybe 5 pages long, and everything worth saying would have been said. Most of the discussion hasn't been about his potential new team, its been about how unlikely he is to find a team because of <insert character defect/drama incident of choice here>.
Not to mention, before Nani made his own post on the matter, there was rampant speculation about why quantic had "kicked him out", despite the fact none of the released material up to that point had even implied there was anything of that nature going on. And as we discovered, there wasn't. Cue a bunch of premature gravedancers looking rather sheepish.
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On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks.
That line doesn't even mean anything. I can have an opinion that your opinion is wrong. You can have an opinion that my opinion on your opinion is wrong. At the end of the day, opinions are utterly useless and not really worth anything to anyone but the person behind the opinion - if they have nothing of substance to back it up with.
On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams.
This is an extremely superficial reasoning with an even more so superficial conclusion.
There is no reason at all why the problem would not lie in "teams" rather than the player. Especially given the fact that the player has publicly proven to be committed, hard working, and delivers results - whereas "teams", on the other hand, are much more shady in their nature, and appear to be more marketing companies than competitive teams that they try to present themselves as.
In reality, the problem is that neither side really ever wanted the qualities of the other, or at least they didn't want them sufficiently enough to be able to tolerate the weaknesses.
Signing committed, hard working and successful players is actually secondary to signing a marketable player that can promote your sponsors well and give them maximum exposure.
On the other hand, Nani doesn't want to be a sponsor sweetheart and be a part of a team with no bond or substance (basically Quantic to him was more a sponsor than a team). He wants to become the best and be surrounded by people who want the same both for themselves (as players), and for their players (as a real team would).
On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity.
Lack of loyalty, perhaps. But then again, it is questionable whether most of the teams he's been a part of deserve any loyalty besides merely fulfilling the terms of the contract. I personally don't see why businesses (which is all that they are) would deserve any degree of genuine respect and loyalty.
One could argue that being prepared to pursue your own goals and ambitions in the way you believe is correct regardless of the price you must pay is also a sign of maturity, as well as one of strong personal integrity.
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On August 01 2012 06:41 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. That line doesn't even mean anything. I can have an opinion that your opinion is wrong. You can have an opinion that my opinion on your opinion is wrong. At the end of the day, opinions are utterly useless and not really worth anything to anyone but the person behind the opinion - if they have nothing of substance to back it up with. Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. On the other hand, Nani doesn't want to be a sponsor sweetheart and be a part of a team with no bond or substance (basically Quantic to him was more a sponsor than a team). He wants to become the best and be surrounded by people who want the same both for themselves (as players), and for their players (as a real team would).
I'd really love to know when Naniwa told anyone that was how he viewed Quantic. To the best of my knowledge, I think you're guessing there. And its a BIG guess.
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On July 31 2012 07:55 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:54 paintfive wrote:On July 31 2012 07:52 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 07:51 VirgilSC2 wrote:On July 31 2012 07:49 Yaki wrote:On July 31 2012 07:46 umade wrote:
Nevermind.
I think it'll be SK. He wants to go to events. Quantic can't send him to events. SK just ditched their 1.6 team, saving alot of cash. I don't know if I should keep answering to people with 2 posts but anyway ... he won't join SK because they don't have a teamhouse in korea. And naniwa wants one. Being an IM fan, you should probably be aware that SK has a partnership with IM, which would allow him to stay in the teamhouse if they so desired it. Yes that is true but as far as I know, neither MC nor the IM guys have a good relationship with naniwa. hahaha where do people pull out these "insider information" from. Yes, I am sure that you are so intimate with naniwa and the KR scene that you know all about their relationships. MC has publicly declared his dislike for Nani a couple of times now...
He's also tweeted in a friendly manner, more recently. I don't think we can make guesses as to how MC views him right now unless someone asks him specifically.
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On August 01 2012 06:45 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:41 Talin wrote:On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. That line doesn't even mean anything. I can have an opinion that your opinion is wrong. You can have an opinion that my opinion on your opinion is wrong. At the end of the day, opinions are utterly useless and not really worth anything to anyone but the person behind the opinion - if they have nothing of substance to back it up with. On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. On the other hand, Nani doesn't want to be a sponsor sweetheart and be a part of a team with no bond or substance (basically Quantic to him was more a sponsor than a team). He wants to become the best and be surrounded by people who want the same both for themselves (as players), and for their players (as a real team would). I'd really love to know when Naniwa told anyone that was how he viewed Quantic. To the best of my knowledge, I think you're guessing there. And its a BIG guess.
I'm not trying to guess what his feelings towards Quantic were when I said they were more of a sponsor than a team. That is my own view of their relationship, based on knowing that the only person in Quantic he had a tangible connection and everyday personal interaction with was Sase, who was actually his personal friend both before (and presumably after) their time in Quantic.
As for his own opinion on the subject,
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15676501
More precisely,
quantic simply didnt feel like home to me.
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Basically, this forum has turned into gossip girl.
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On August 01 2012 06:45 GuitarBizarre wrote:
I'd really love to know when Naniwa told anyone that was how he viewed Quantic. To the best of my knowledge, I think you're guessing there. And its a BIG guess.
He posted in his fanclub a couple of hours ago, reaffirming that his departure from Quantic was his own choice, and that it simply didn't feel like home to him. Not sure what to make of that, but I doubt there's any bad blood between him and the team.
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On August 01 2012 06:41 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. That line doesn't even mean anything. I can have an opinion that your opinion is wrong. You can have an opinion that my opinion on your opinion is wrong. At the end of the day, opinions are utterly useless and not really worth anything to anyone but the person behind the opinion - if they have nothing of substance to back it up with. Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. This is an extremely superficial reasoning with an even more so superficial conclusion. There is no reason at all why the problem would not lie in "teams" rather than the player. Especially given the fact that the player has publicly proven to be committed, hard working, and delivers results - whereas "teams", on the other hand, are much more shady in their nature, and appear to be more marketing companies than competitive teams that they try to present themselves as. In reality, the problem is that neither side really ever wanted the qualities of the other, or at least they didn't want them sufficiently enough to be able to tolerate the weaknesses. Signing committed, hard working and successful players is actually secondary to signing a marketable player that can promote your sponsors well and give them maximum exposure. On the other hand, Nani doesn't want to be a sponsor sweetheart and be a part of a team with no bond or substance (basically Quantic to him was more a sponsor than a team). He wants to become the best and be surrounded by people who want the same both for themselves (as players), and for their players (as a real team would). Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity. Lack of loyalty, perhaps. But then again, it is questionable whether most of the teams he's been a part of deserve any loyalty besides merely fulfilling the terms of the contract. I personally don't see why businesses (which is all that they are) would deserve any degree of genuine respect and loyalty. One could argue that being prepared to pursue your own goals and ambitions in the way you believe is correct regardless of the price you must pay is also a sign of maturity, as well as one of strong personal integrity.
I realize there will always be Naniwa apologists and so I will simply say you are of course entitled to your opinion.
The "opinion" rant at the beginning of your post isn't worthy of a stoned sophomore though.
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On August 01 2012 06:54 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:41 Talin wrote:On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. That line doesn't even mean anything. I can have an opinion that your opinion is wrong. You can have an opinion that my opinion on your opinion is wrong. At the end of the day, opinions are utterly useless and not really worth anything to anyone but the person behind the opinion - if they have nothing of substance to back it up with. On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. This is an extremely superficial reasoning with an even more so superficial conclusion. There is no reason at all why the problem would not lie in "teams" rather than the player. Especially given the fact that the player has publicly proven to be committed, hard working, and delivers results - whereas "teams", on the other hand, are much more shady in their nature, and appear to be more marketing companies than competitive teams that they try to present themselves as. In reality, the problem is that neither side really ever wanted the qualities of the other, or at least they didn't want them sufficiently enough to be able to tolerate the weaknesses. Signing committed, hard working and successful players is actually secondary to signing a marketable player that can promote your sponsors well and give them maximum exposure. On the other hand, Nani doesn't want to be a sponsor sweetheart and be a part of a team with no bond or substance (basically Quantic to him was more a sponsor than a team). He wants to become the best and be surrounded by people who want the same both for themselves (as players), and for their players (as a real team would). On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity. Lack of loyalty, perhaps. But then again, it is questionable whether most of the teams he's been a part of deserve any loyalty besides merely fulfilling the terms of the contract. I personally don't see why businesses (which is all that they are) would deserve any degree of genuine respect and loyalty. One could argue that being prepared to pursue your own goals and ambitions in the way you believe is correct regardless of the price you must pay is also a sign of maturity, as well as one of strong personal integrity. I realize there will always be Naniwa apologists and so I will simply say you are of course entitled to your opinion. The "opinion" rant at the beginning of your post isn't worthy of a stoned sophomore though.
What you thought that was: Wilting Sarcasm.
What that actually was: Proving that you are the drama queen mentioned in the first post of your quote.
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LEAVE NANI ALONE! LEAVE HIM ALONE I SAY!
User was warned for this post
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On August 01 2012 06:54 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:41 Talin wrote:On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. That line doesn't even mean anything. I can have an opinion that your opinion is wrong. You can have an opinion that my opinion on your opinion is wrong. At the end of the day, opinions are utterly useless and not really worth anything to anyone but the person behind the opinion - if they have nothing of substance to back it up with. On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. This is an extremely superficial reasoning with an even more so superficial conclusion. There is no reason at all why the problem would not lie in "teams" rather than the player. Especially given the fact that the player has publicly proven to be committed, hard working, and delivers results - whereas "teams", on the other hand, are much more shady in their nature, and appear to be more marketing companies than competitive teams that they try to present themselves as. In reality, the problem is that neither side really ever wanted the qualities of the other, or at least they didn't want them sufficiently enough to be able to tolerate the weaknesses. Signing committed, hard working and successful players is actually secondary to signing a marketable player that can promote your sponsors well and give them maximum exposure. On the other hand, Nani doesn't want to be a sponsor sweetheart and be a part of a team with no bond or substance (basically Quantic to him was more a sponsor than a team). He wants to become the best and be surrounded by people who want the same both for themselves (as players), and for their players (as a real team would). On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity. Lack of loyalty, perhaps. But then again, it is questionable whether most of the teams he's been a part of deserve any loyalty besides merely fulfilling the terms of the contract. I personally don't see why businesses (which is all that they are) would deserve any degree of genuine respect and loyalty. One could argue that being prepared to pursue your own goals and ambitions in the way you believe is correct regardless of the price you must pay is also a sign of maturity, as well as one of strong personal integrity. I realize there will always be Naniwa apologists and so I will simply say you are of course entitled to your opinion.
That is mighty generous of you, but I really need neither the permission nor encouragement (whatever the intent was) to have an opinion. It's just that I'd rather deal in facts instead, while you seem to prefer running away from them!
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Yeah I would leave too, I mean, I just hate it when organizations keep everything they promise to me ... ? I could care less honestly, Naniwa is kind of a joke as a person it seems...i.e., drama queen.
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On August 01 2012 07:24 hillman wrote:
Yeah I would leave too, I mean, I just hate it when organizations keep everything they promise to me ... ? I could care less honestly, Naniwa is kind of a joke as a person it seems...i.e., drama queen.
The RAKAKA article said that Quantic couldn't afford sending him to events.
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If Nani played Zerg this thread would be full of people screaming at the injustice and all the blame would squarely be on Quantic for not nourishing this blooming, but oft misunderstood, talent. Actually if he played Zerg he'd be IdrA's twin, well, except for the fact that he actually wins something.
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maby he will join his bud thorzain in the EG house! poor sase thow  i bet he will miss nani
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^^Ca you please what he has won since the beginning of this year? I'm quite intrigued.
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On August 01 2012 03:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 02:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Everyone who thinks Prime will pick him up is rather stupid...they' have four GSL champions, why would they pick a foreigner who is obviously at his peak and doesn't show any potential to improve?
I believe he'll become a free agent(something we begin to see more and more) and will probably stay in Mana's house in the near future. Am I missing something here? I'm not even going to tackle your opinion about Naniwa, I'm just wondering: when has someone from Prime ever won a GSL? (not counting Polt because he's no longer on the team)
My bad, i meant LG-IM(and their partnership with SK)...
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