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On August 01 2012 07:02 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 06:54 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 06:41 Talin wrote:On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:On August 01 2012 02:55 Doodsmack wrote:
Sorry but if you're posting negatively about Naniwa in this thread then you're an esports drama queen. Your opinions about Naniwa's personality and past are not relevant here because all we know is that Naniwa left Quantic on good terms (and please don't say "no thats just PR they're covering something up"). Therefore you're bringin drama into a place it wasn't called for, so you're a drama queen. Even if you say something ostensibly on topic but then throw in a jab ("will be interesting to see where he goes but I don't think any teams will want him"), you're a drama queen. You are the reason people complain about this community and you are the reason pros and casters avoid the forums like the plague. So I hope you're proud that you've hopped onto the community's cancerous tumor even while calling yourself a fan of SC2. Please unfurl your panties and stop pretending to have reasonable and legitimate things to say. The mature thing to do is resist your urge to make a negative post. I can have any opinion I like, thanks. That line doesn't even mean anything. I can have an opinion that your opinion is wrong. You can have an opinion that my opinion on your opinion is wrong. At the end of the day, opinions are utterly useless and not really worth anything to anyone but the person behind the opinion - if they have nothing of substance to back it up with. On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
I can also express it articulately. I think the fact that Naniwa jumps from team to team in a matter of months is symptomatic of a problem with the player, rather than the teams. This is an extremely superficial reasoning with an even more so superficial conclusion. There is no reason at all why the problem would not lie in "teams" rather than the player. Especially given the fact that the player has publicly proven to be committed, hard working, and delivers results - whereas "teams", on the other hand, are much more shady in their nature, and appear to be more marketing companies than competitive teams that they try to present themselves as. In reality, the problem is that neither side really ever wanted the qualities of the other, or at least they didn't want them sufficiently enough to be able to tolerate the weaknesses. Signing committed, hard working and successful players is actually secondary to signing a marketable player that can promote your sponsors well and give them maximum exposure. On the other hand, Nani doesn't want to be a sponsor sweetheart and be a part of a team with no bond or substance (basically Quantic to him was more a sponsor than a team). He wants to become the best and be surrounded by people who want the same both for themselves (as players), and for their players (as a real team would). On August 01 2012 04:17 IPA wrote:
It speaks to a lack of loyalty and emotional/professional immaturity. Lack of loyalty, perhaps. But then again, it is questionable whether most of the teams he's been a part of deserve any loyalty besides merely fulfilling the terms of the contract. I personally don't see why businesses (which is all that they are) would deserve any degree of genuine respect and loyalty. One could argue that being prepared to pursue your own goals and ambitions in the way you believe is correct regardless of the price you must pay is also a sign of maturity, as well as one of strong personal integrity. I realize there will always be Naniwa apologists and so I will simply say you are of course entitled to your opinion. That is mighty generous of you, but I really need neither the permission nor encouragement (whatever the intent was) to have an opinion. It's just that I'd rather deal in facts instead, while you seem to prefer running away from them!
I based my initial (and current) opinion on facts actually. Or at least informed conjecture, which is the best we can hope for in the murky world of esports. Naniwa jumps teams; Naniwa often acts like a spoiled child in games (BM, etc.); Naniwa's reasons for leaving are often evasive and vague. For these reasons, I feel like the problem lies in Naniwa's development as a person, and his (lack of) loyalty, rather than any of the plethora of teams he has left.
I also don't root for him because of this. How was that?
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Hope he'll find a team that will allow him to stay in Korea soon! GL Nani!
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Are people seriously arguing over arguing over arguing over opinions of opinions of opinions now? :3
GL Naniwa.
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On July 31 2012 06:22 Prixm89 wrote:
6-7 teams in like 1½ year? I love Naniwa, fellow Swede and Brotoss. But man, he needs to stay loyal, I would never get him to my team, knowing that he will stay for a couple of months.
If you had a team (im guessing with a couple of masters players with some decent solid-ish results) and you could get naniwa your profile as a team would increase 100-fold because of it being him.
OT: i think naniwa should probably go independent for a while (if he can). He does struggle to handle himself in the public eye and its a real shame. I just dont think he's a force (personality wise) that quantic would have managed for much longer.
However if naniwa continues to play he'll continue to draw attention becuase of his quality play, IdrA saying he'd be done in e-sports is bollocks and pretty much because IdrA doesn't like him.
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Nani has been very Bm as of late, Trash talking zergs who been owning him in TSL's ect
He need to change his tune and attitude. He crys "zerg imba" Now when he loses to a up comming player whos zerg. He threw a large fit when Recco beat him, he stated "you only won because ur zerg" Nani needs to grow up.
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On August 01 2012 08:48 silentdecay01 wrote:
Nani has been very Bm as of late, Trash talking zergs who been owning him in TSL's ect
He need to change his tune and attitude. He crys "zerg imba" Now when he loses to a up comming player whos zerg. He threw a large fit when Recco beat him, he stated "you only won because ur zerg" Nani needs to grow up.
Are you daft? Have you even read the previous pages? Please don't tell people to grow up when you can't even form a coherent sentence.
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On August 01 2012 08:29 huStl.e wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 06:22 Prixm89 wrote:
6-7 teams in like 1½ year? I love Naniwa, fellow Swede and Brotoss. But man, he needs to stay loyal, I would never get him to my team, knowing that he will stay for a couple of months. If you had a team (im guessing with a couple of masters players with some decent solid-ish results) and you could get naniwa your profile as a team would increase 100-fold because of it being him. OT: i think naniwa should probably go independent for a while (if he can). He does struggle to handle himself in the public eye and its a real shame. I just dont think he's a force (personality wise) that quantic would have managed for much longer. However if naniwa continues to play he'll continue to draw attention becuase of his quality play, IdrA saying he'd be done in e-sports is bollocks and pretty much because IdrA doesn't like him.
On a related note, as a spectator I'd much rather watch and learn about someone like Naniwa than Idra. Idra talks and talks and he's irrelevant in the scene. Nani talks but he's in GSL Code S, twice making it to Ro8.
EG does a great job marketing itself. Their players are great at public speaking. And maybe because of that they have as much or more value than Naniwa as a player. But as again, as a spectator, I'd much rather watch someone like Naniwa play. He has a drive to be the best, and while he does mess up his PR at time, it adds flavour.
Like Tasteless said, this community is pretty bad at times so it's no wonder that many of you are fabricating drama.
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On August 01 2012 05:50 dragonborn wrote:
My prediction: Stephano leaves Millenium for EG.
Millenium signs Naniwa.
Honestly, this seems to be one of the more realistic scenarios presented in this thread.
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I can only see a korean house in his future.
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Not surpising this guy has been jerk during the BW scene. Quantic should be happy this ******* is off their team. Good loss. IMO
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whatever floats his boat. gl nani
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On August 01 2012 11:59 BWalma wrote:
Not surpising this guy has been jerk during the BW scene. Quantic should be happy this ******* is off their team. Good loss. IMO
Except he didn't play BW. Nice try trying to fabricate shit talk though.. Really subtle.
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A manner Nani? Well that's interesting, good on him!
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On August 01 2012 11:59 BWalma wrote:
Not surpising this guy has been jerk during the BW scene. Quantic should be happy this ******* is off their team. Good loss. IMO
Nice try.
"Wonderful StarCraft community" at it's best.
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On August 01 2012 12:54 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 11:59 BWalma wrote:
Not surpising this guy has been jerk during the BW scene. Quantic should be happy this ******* is off their team. Good loss. IMO Except he didn't play BW. Nice try trying to fabricate shit talk though.. Really subtle.
This. If you're only trying to lay shit and lies on a topic, please dont participate.
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Whenever i see someone defend naniwa and check his nationality, im not too surprised and its exactly why
i hate extreme fanboysm. it would be pretty cool to be Naniwa. You can behave like a total dick and theres still people
who defend you
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On August 01 2012 14:11 mongmong wrote:
Whenever i see someone defend naniwa and check his nationality, im not too surprised and its exactly why
i hate extreme fanboysm. it would be pretty cool to be Naniwa. You can behave like a total dick and theres still people
who defend you
If you're going to post like that, try to make it a haiku or something neat.
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I meant to say WC3 my bad, but yes this guy should remain sponorless ^_^
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On August 01 2012 14:11 mongmong wrote:
Whenever i see someone defend naniwa and check his nationality, im not too surprised and its exactly why
i hate extreme fanboysm. it would be pretty cool to be Naniwa. You can behave like a total dick and theres still people
who defend you
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If you're going to post like that, try to make it a haiku or something neat.
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another butthurt fanboy. go cry somewhere else
why did you send me a private messege? I seriouly dont wanna see
garbage even in my private messege.
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