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On July 16 2012 16:32 VPCursed wrote:
Pro's need $ and in e-sports their isn't enough going around unless you're a top contender in tourneys.. hell.. i've seen forgg stream him self account leveling and chat with the person he was doing it for... Don't think its that bad of a thing tbh
So you think it is okay to ruin the ladder player base of the game you are playing for extra money? A lot of the SC2 spectators of SC2 tournaments are ladder players. When I am not playing Starcraft, I hardly ever watch it. And the reasons for me quitting are when I run into these hackers or power levelers. It is really stupid and ruins the game in the long run.
Yeah they will make a quick bit of "illegal" cash here, but it will hurt them in the long run.
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This isn't the biggest deal in the world, but I do feel it should be frowned upon. Not sure how everyone became so brainwashed that pro gamers need money so they can use ANY avenue to get it, even if it means compromising the integrity of the ladder.
Remember how in WCS certain players were invited off ladder that turned out to be hackers? And everyone was like "what if the spot THAT guy used up could've been someone legitimate?". Same thing goes here: what if those spots taken up in GM stopped a legit high levels player from being invited because they couldn't break into GM? How is this not of concern?
Yes, pro gamers should be able to live and make a living, but they don't get a free pass to abuse the ladder. They are people playing a game.
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I am curious what the major teams think about it. Does EG or Liquid prohibit their players from power-leveling for money?
More importantly, how pathetic is paying someone to power level your account? We should make a list of people that have their accounts power-leveled so we can laugh at them.
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People should be un-featured from TL for doing this. This is against the EULA, and they're still making extra money from streaming.
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i love the smell of fake outrage in the morning!
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so a guy may just bragg about being Masters to his friends, then challenged, play a game and lose to a Plat guy?
not the best thing IMO, won't do it ever, but well... if doing someone else's hw can get you money, in a not-so illegal way... then wtf 
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I see no reason to care at all, I can only think that people would care if they think they are going to get stomped on by a GM while the pro is leveling the account up. Why do you care if some scrub wants to play against really good people for a while untill he loses enough to go back down to their old mmr.
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On July 19 2012 10:20 ODKStevez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 16:32 VPCursed wrote:
Pro's need $ and in e-sports their isn't enough going around unless you're a top contender in tourneys.. hell.. i've seen forgg stream him self account leveling and chat with the person he was doing it for... Don't think its that bad of a thing tbh So you think it is okay to ruin the ladder player base of the game you are playing for extra money? A lot of the SC2 spectators of SC2 tournaments are ladder players. When I am not playing Starcraft, I hardly ever watch it. And the reasons for me quitting are when I run into these hackers or power levelers. It is really stupid and ruins the game in the long run. Yeah they will make a quick bit of "illegal" cash here, but it will hurt them in the long run.
You quit because you occasionally get matched up with unfair opponents? Ladder still functions properly 90% of the time and I guarantee you that if you continued to practice and play ladder you would be matching against proper opponents and growing. The very person you quoted was leagues above me at one point, he'd trash me so hard that to most people it would seem like I was wasting my time. But to be able to see that much difference in play helped me grow substantially, it gave me goals outside of going 50/50 on ladder. If you changed your perspective and saw those games as learning experiences and motivation it would help you dramatically.
This isn't a problem its just another thing the community lit on fire. Team Liquid needs to lock the thread and come to a formal conclusion before the mob drags peoples reputation through the mud.
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On July 19 2012 10:40 vileChAnCe wrote:This isn't a problem its just another thing the community lit on fire.
Pro-gamers breaking SC2's TOU isn't a problem? I disagree and I'm sure (or at least I sure hope) most managers of pro gaming teams would disagree too. We've already seen HuK and TLO famously get Blizzard's negative attention for doing this, and what they were doing is no where near as potentially harmful as account boosting can be, as the OP has elaborately explained already. I think it's irresponsible for pro-gamers to intentionally destroy the integrity of the ladder. They should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
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On July 19 2012 11:36 dudesrslywtf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:40 vileChAnCe wrote:This isn't a problem its just another thing the community lit on fire. Pro-gamers breaking SC2's TOU isn't a problem? I disagree and I'm sure (or at least I sure hope) most managers of pro gaming teams would disagree too. We've already seen HuK and TLO famously get Blizzard's negative attention for doing this, and what they were doing is no where near as potentially harmful as account boosting can be, as the OP has elaborately explained already. I think it's irresponsible for pro-gamers to intentionally destroy the integrity of the ladder. They should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
Dude, as much as integrity matters in this world. At the end of the day, a man gotta eat.
+ It is really good for their PR that they actually interact with the fanbase on a intimate level.
I'm all for power leveling, Blizzard just have to deal with it.
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On July 19 2012 11:40 Xiphos wrote:
Dude, as much as integrity matters in this world. At the end of the day, a man gotta eat.
+ It is really good for their PR that they actually interact with the fanbase on a intimate level.
I'm all for power leveling, Blizzard just have to deal with it.
A much more appropriate and effective way to do this would be to offer coaching. No cheating would be taking place, there would be even deeper interaction with the fans and the ladder would benefit from having more better players on it.
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On July 17 2012 13:28 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 13:10 FairForever wrote:On July 17 2012 12:35 rd wrote:On July 17 2012 12:08 Doodsmack wrote:
It's not just account sharing in general. I should actually note in the OP that it violates both the SC2 EULA and the Battle.Net TOU. 2(B) of the TOU states:
"You agree that you will not, under any circumstances exploit the Service, a Game or any part thereof for any commercial purpose, including without limitation...perform in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling."
But to your point of no enforcement. Lack of enforcement does not justify a wrong. Lack of enforcement is because it's a ridiculous rule. They paid for their account. Let them do whatever the fuck they want to do with it. They should be able to maphack too? It's not their own account, technically Blizzard still owns it. Is there anything else you'd like to put into my mouth?
How is it any different?
Maphackers ruin the play for everyone else
Powerleveling ruins the play for everyone else
Obviously one is way worse than the other, but both are wrong. This isn't a single player game - for one to benefit, another has to suffer
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I don't mind accounts being leveled up to be honest. Pro's have to somehow make money off the game, and that isn't possible with only tournaments. The only problem i've encountered with account levelers is that some of them were knows hackers - FnaticTricky and formely Impa, was one of the account levelers. I DO see a problem in beginners asking to hackers to level them to GM with a good ratio, instead of asking a pro (which is probably asking more $$ too..) Also, the guy who is getting leveled won't be able to keep up his rank unless he pays more or play himself some games on it
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On July 19 2012 11:44 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 13:28 rd wrote:On July 17 2012 13:10 FairForever wrote:On July 17 2012 12:35 rd wrote:On July 17 2012 12:08 Doodsmack wrote:
It's not just account sharing in general. I should actually note in the OP that it violates both the SC2 EULA and the Battle.Net TOU. 2(B) of the TOU states:
"You agree that you will not, under any circumstances exploit the Service, a Game or any part thereof for any commercial purpose, including without limitation...perform in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling."
But to your point of no enforcement. Lack of enforcement does not justify a wrong. Lack of enforcement is because it's a ridiculous rule. They paid for their account. Let them do whatever the fuck they want to do with it. They should be able to maphack too? It's not their own account, technically Blizzard still owns it. Is there anything else you'd like to put into my mouth? How is it any different? Maphackers ruin the play for everyone else Powerleveling ruins the play for everyone else Obviously one is way worse than the other, but both are wrong. This isn't a single player game - for one to benefit, another has to suffer
Why does Powerleveling ruin the game for everyone else? A silver player in GM isn't actually going to ladder, he's just getting GM to show off. Likewise, if Naama plays on any account, he's giving games to people of his skill level which is just fine...
Apart from Portraits, there isn't many things that you gain anyways. Each game of SC2 is a new game and nothing carries over.
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Imo Power leveling doesnt ruin anything! Remember you have to WIN in gm to spend your bonus pool! If not then you will be kicked out in no time. If a bronze can stay in GM, then isnt there a flaw with the system, like once you get in, it is REALLY hard to get kicked out?
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On July 19 2012 11:48 Kluey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:44 FairForever wrote:On July 17 2012 13:28 rd wrote:On July 17 2012 13:10 FairForever wrote:On July 17 2012 12:35 rd wrote:On July 17 2012 12:08 Doodsmack wrote:
It's not just account sharing in general. I should actually note in the OP that it violates both the SC2 EULA and the Battle.Net TOU. 2(B) of the TOU states:
"You agree that you will not, under any circumstances exploit the Service, a Game or any part thereof for any commercial purpose, including without limitation...perform in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling."
But to your point of no enforcement. Lack of enforcement does not justify a wrong. Lack of enforcement is because it's a ridiculous rule. They paid for their account. Let them do whatever the fuck they want to do with it. They should be able to maphack too? It's not their own account, technically Blizzard still owns it. Is there anything else you'd like to put into my mouth? How is it any different? Maphackers ruin the play for everyone else Powerleveling ruins the play for everyone else Obviously one is way worse than the other, but both are wrong. This isn't a single player game - for one to benefit, another has to suffer Why does Powerleveling ruin the game for everyone else? A silver player in GM isn't actually going to ladder, he's just getting GM to show off. Likewise, if Naama plays on any account, he's giving games to people of his skill level which is just fine... Apart from Portraits, there isn't many things that you gain anyways. Each game of SC2 is a new game and nothing carries over.
1) Portrait farming is illegal - you can get banned for it
2) This will give undeserved losses to lower level players, and once the account is no longer powerleveled, undeserved wins to high level players
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I don't get people who say they don't get why this should be a problem. Of course this is a very serious problem. This should be addressed and fixed. As the OP stated, it ruins the integrity of the ladder system. Do you guys remember during the open seasons when Choya would do rock paper scissors on ladder to quickly gain points? It's a similar situation with this one. Technically this isn't hurting anyone. But as a whole and indirectly, it's hurting the scene, casual players, and the pro players themselves who abuse the their skills to exploit the casual players. This should never happen ever again and this needs to be addressed by Blizzard and they should ban it. And the teams should also address their players so that this never happens again. Actions need to be taken by Millenium and the other teams to punish Dragon and Naama and other responsible players.
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This just feels like Diablo 3's Auction House system which trades power-farmed ultra-rare items for cash, but just with laddering.
I don't see Blizzard taking action on this.
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I don't see how someone ranking up an account would 'ruin' ladder. People have smurfs, people have alts, are those ruining ladder? All that will happens is some bronze has a GM account, and if he ever dares to 1v1, he'll get smashed and give free ladder points to someone, maybe enough out there that it will balance out all of ladder, really.
Who cares. Why not just report people who purposefully leave games to 'tank their mmr' that you run into sometimes? Maybe ban people from ladder if they do a probe rush?
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I don't think players should share accounts either. It's messed up seven ways to hell that in the GSTL, the players share an account MULTIPLE times. The evidence is even available online. It's clearly against the Terms of Use and I do believe these accounts should be purged.
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