Progamers selling account leveling services - Page 27

On July 20 2012 02:52 rd wrote:

Lol. Do those low level opponents know the difference? Someone trying to get out of bronze as fast as possible will just 4 gate/2 rax/x pool. I can't imagine a bronze league player will analyze the game and immediately conclude their opponent was several leagues above them on a smurf. And really, if they did come to that conclusion, how often do they analyze ANY game they lose overwhelmingly and conclude it was a smurf for the sake of feeling better? I can just imagine... "Shit, that four gate hit 30 seconds faster than normal. What a fucking smurfer. I NEED TO GO ON TL AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS RIGHT AWAY!" It just goes back to the supposed smurfing players who are apparently rampant in low leagues tanking their MMR and fucking with low level players. How in the world do you distinguish a loss where the player doesn't immediately leave? How do you enforce players always playing to their full potential with such objectivity? You can't.

On July 20 2012 02:52 rd wrote:
Like, you almost imply the only opponents these players fight are smurfs and that the ladder is such a failure they actually can't compete with their peers which is just total bullshit. Also lol @ ladder anxiety.

On July 20 2012 04:14 TRaFFiC wrote:
These people should all be banned and furthermore, there should only be 1 account allowed in GM per person. It's disrespectful to the high masters trying to squeeze in and bad for GROWTH of sc2 overall.

On July 20 2012 04:50 korona wrote:

There is nothing funny here. Things are not black and white. Yes the lowest level of players most likely do things by a feeling and not take the game too seriously. But there are lots of people between lowest bronze & masters and 'all of them' are 'low level' compared to the professional. RTS games are not casual games. The higher you go, the more dedicated in general people are. Many are trying to improve and care about their ladder rankings. Most likely you have noticed that there are already 'too many' threads about ladder anxiety here in TL and thus you should have understood that it is not a laughing matter, but reality for some people.

Things are not black and white. I am not implying that most players at lower levels are smurfs. It should be easy for anybody to understand that the smurfs are a minority at any level. But even minorities can affect individuals experience. For example if gamer A commits one evening per week for SC2 (~ 5 games) and he is unlucky and gets paired with a smurf, then suddenly a significant portion of his opponents that evening were smurfs.

And yes. The lowest level of casual players do not care about community sites and come here shouting when they face a smurf. But it is little puzzling when some people seem to come here shouting how it is ok to cheat the system and how people should not complain about it.

On July 20 2012 05:41 Whatson wrote:
Doesn't this also mean that all the people like ST_Bomber, MKP, Creator, and the IM teamhouse would get banned? We all know that IM_TV is a GM account used a lot by IM players when they decide to stream. Bomber has his main and Ares, MKP and Creator have god knows how many barcode accounts. Hell, in that case then HuK should get banned cuz of Sad, Depression, and his main.

On July 20 2012 05:45 ronpaul012 wrote:


I don't have any problem with people leveling up multiple accounts if they feel it necessary, especially if its a barcode account. The issue I have with doing it for others is that it gives them legitimacy not deserved. For example, that person would say that they are GM and would offer coaching. Or they'd simply use it to brag and act like they knew what they were talking about.

On July 20 2012 05:38 rd wrote:


When did I say people weren't trying to improve their ranking? I assure you, that most likely, 95-99% of players have not been affected by this. The 1% who actually were affected this probably didn't even know it was a smurf 90% of the time. I just don't see any posts about players pointing to games with an actual smurf they lost horrendously to and how traumatized they were -- but thats probably because I just don't read them. Not consecutive games. Not a majority of games in a sample. Not even often, nor frequently. Just once. It probably happens more often than we realize but it's simply distinguishing differences between what is ultimately a loss.

I probably ran into a couple smurfs too. I'd have no idea though because I don't check every opponent I fight to see if they were a smurf, and if they were I wouldn't really care otherwise. If anything had I known, the replay would have been that much more valuable to me. One of the reasons why some people pay for this service is to get games vs much higher level players and getting to see the stark contrast in skill play out so they have a reference to improve upon.

And still, ladder anxiety. lol. The ridiculous irony is that part of the reason for ladder anxiety is created by the very ladder system whose integrity you're trying to uphold.

On July 20 2012 06:04 Sea_Food wrote:


Why do you give a fuck what people do with their accounts?

Do you also think black belts should be illegal for market because with them people can lie that they are good at Karate when they are not.

On July 20 2012 07:45 yamtaro wrote:
Personally I'm surprised that this is something that the SC2 community would accept, let alone in some cases defend, while it is not so big an issue that it would destroy the scene, it has the potential to significantly retard an up and coming players progress to becoming pro.

The biggest point people seem to use defending this is that pro-gamers need money and this is a way for them to supplement their income, that's not an acceptable excuse to abuse the system, that is a problem that their teams need to face. If their income is insufficient to sustain their career then their team management is failing them and they need to look at their contract and other options. In any sport sponsorship works off how well you do and the exposure you get, and until you're at the extreme highest levels of pay players in general are not paid a wage that completely supports them, it changes from sport to sport depending on the following and money in it, but even if you look at professional motorcycling there are riders in what would be considered very high levels of the competition who still need to work a job in order to support themselves. E-Sports is very young, the exposure is much smaller and so you can expect that a lot less of the player base would be able to completely support themselves financially by playing. This does not give them an excuse to abuse the system.

It hurts aspiring semi-pro players by limiting their exposure and sponsorship options, every comment on here is about how GM doesn't matter, everyone is still trying to get in to GM however. Being in GM broadcasts your name to anyone interested on your sever and while people following the scene closely will know the flaws in the ladder system people and potential sponsors taking a passing interest in the scene are immediately informed that the GM players are the very best 200 players on that server and that impacts them, if I have an aspiring pro player come up to me seeking some low level of sponsorship and a quick internet search shows me that he's not able to achieve even the top 200 on a server, what faith will that give me in his abilities to broadcast my companies name in tournaments?

Lastly I can see this eventually damaging the integrity of tournaments, the assumption is being made in this thread that the issue stops with leveling. If pro-gamers are supported in basically creating "fame" for other people for money I can see little stopping them from eventually playing under other peoples accounts in low-mid level online tournaments or even tournaments where they see themselves being knocked out of early, they get money, they get extra games at a high level to train with and as long as the tournament is online they can remain completely anonymous and severely slowing down the career progression of the semi-pro players who would have otherwise used that tournament to get exposure.

On July 20 2012 07:45 yamtaro wrote:
Personally I'm surprised that this is something that the SC2 community would accept, let alone in some cases defend, while it is not so big an issue that it would destroy the scene, it has the potential to significantly retard an up and coming players progress to becoming pro.

The biggest point people seem to use defending this is that pro-gamers need money and this is a way for them to supplement their income, that's not an acceptable excuse to abuse the system, that is a problem that their teams need to face. If their income is insufficient to sustain their career then their team management is failing them and they need to look at their contract and other options. In any sport sponsorship works off how well you do and the exposure you get, and until you're at the extreme highest levels of pay players in general are not paid a wage that completely supports them, it changes from sport to sport depending on the following and money in it, but even if you look at professional motorcycling there are riders in what would be considered very high levels of the competition who still need to work a job in order to support themselves. E-Sports is very young, the exposure is much smaller and so you can expect that a lot less of the player base would be able to completely support themselves financially by playing. This does not give them an excuse to abuse the system.

It hurts aspiring semi-pro players by limiting their exposure and sponsorship options, every comment on here is about how GM doesn't matter, everyone is still trying to get in to GM however. Being in GM broadcasts your name to anyone interested on your sever and while people following the scene closely will know the flaws in the ladder system people and potential sponsors taking a passing interest in the scene are immediately informed that the GM players are the very best 200 players on that server and that impacts them, if I have an aspiring pro player come up to me seeking some low level of sponsorship and a quick internet search shows me that he's not able to achieve even the top 200 on a server, what faith will that give me in his abilities to broadcast my companies name in tournaments?

Lastly I can see this eventually damaging the integrity of tournaments, the assumption is being made in this thread that the issue stops with leveling. If pro-gamers are supported in basically creating "fame" for other people for money I can see little stopping them from eventually playing under other peoples accounts in low-mid level online tournaments or even tournaments where they see themselves being knocked out of early, they get money, they get extra games at a high level to train with and as long as the tournament is online they can remain completely anonymous and severely slowing down the career progression of the semi-pro players who would have otherwise used that tournament to get exposure.

On July 20 2012 11:38 Harbinger631 wrote:


Can you give me an example of a player who made it into the pro scene through his grandmaster status alone, or by large part due to his grandmaster status?

On July 20 2012 05:45 ronpaul012 wrote:


I don't have any problem with people leveling up multiple accounts if they feel it necessary, especially if its a barcode account. The issue I have with doing it for others is that it gives them legitimacy not deserved. For example, that person would say that they are GM and would offer coaching. Or they'd simply use it to brag and act like they knew what they were talking about.

On July 20 2012 04:58 ragz_gt wrote:


It's a good idea, how do you propose to do it? People have to send in their ID and submit a form to get in GM?