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Putting money in players pockets.... People paying for it, shouldnt be there anyways... Ladder will adjust them back down eventually where they should be. Less qq about people paying, more practice to get there yourself. GOGO
On July 17 2012 00:11 Shiori wrote:
It's not a problem at all. As for your reasons:
1) Who cares about the EULA? I mean, really?
2) This no more hurts players than pros having 5 GM accounts hurts players.
3) Guilty by association? Lol.
4) Not really a problem with account levelling itself.
5) Baseless speculation
^^ Pretty much
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On July 17 2012 00:30 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 00:29 ragz_gt wrote:On July 17 2012 00:26 nkr wrote:
You have no proof at all. This thread is just stupid. Even if it was Naama playing, you have no idea if he claims money for it or not. Well I'd say Rainbow's stream comment is a pretty solid proof. Though I don't think it's that bad. Probably against rule but not hurting anyone really. I am more refering to that he is calling out Naama in the first half of his thread, without any solid proof.
Ah that's fair. I wouldn't call anyone without solid proof. Though the practice itself surely existed for forever (in SC2 term).
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On July 17 2012 00:25 whiteLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 00:23 Adreme wrote:On July 17 2012 00:19 Leyra wrote:
I don't get why someone is dumb enough to pay for this, but even more I don't get why anyone else cares, lol. People will pay for a rank they didnt earn despite the fact that they know they wont keep it. The people who buy these are either convinced that they really are that good they just cant break thru the "lowbie wall" or they just want it so they can say they have it which is sort of a waste of money to me but who was I to judge. "lowbie wall"? i would understand that if this was League of Legends or any other 5v5 game where you get matched with randoms and cant do much alone, but in sc2? LMAO do people like that realy exist
The attitudes of gamers across different genres are virtually identical. In Halo (im using 3 here) there were TONS of people who always thought they could keep up at 50 in any team game but they just didnt get good enough teammates to get them there. They believe it because one time they beat someone who used to be 50 (used to for a reason) and that if they just got an account there they could hold onto it themselves.
To bring the argument into SC2, a lot of people feel like they certainly belong in diamond or masters but they just cant hold the cheeses to get there. They say this with the same conviction that the guy who plays Halo says it with and it leads to buying accounts in sc2 as well (or hacking).
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lol. why would anyone actually pay to have an account leveled beyond their ability to play? seriously you have such an inferiority complex that you need to pay money so you can say you are good, something you could never actually prove in a live 1v1. Ridiculous. These are the people with the hummers and the Dodge Rams on monster truck wheels. Got to be compensating for something.
Honestly it just surprises me that such empty titles like GM mean anything if you can't actually do the work required by the title. People. I'll never understand. 
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On July 17 2012 00:23 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 00:19 Leyra wrote:
I don't get why someone is dumb enough to pay for this, but even more I don't get why anyone else cares, lol. People will pay for a rank they didnt earn despite the fact that they know they wont keep it. The people who buy these are either convinced that they really are that good they just cant break thru the "lowbie wall" or they just want it so they can say they have it which is sort of a waste of money to me but who was I to judge.
You forgot about Kawaii's point, that people can use an inflated GM account as basis for coaching, which in turn, takes legitimate income from legitimate pros who offer such coaching. So, the irony is that this does hurt eSports because it makes it more difficult for pros to earn a living in eSports. Have a nice day 
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should the person getting the rank up or the ranker get shit on?
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If i recall correctly, this will become perfectly legal because of some new law allowing the reselling of licensed products
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On July 16 2012 16:39 IntoTheheart wrote:
How does this work exactly?
So I give my account to fOrGG who will boost my account to GM, at which point I'll lose a ton of games (because I'm personally NOT at Korea GM level) and then eventually lose my spot right?
Nooo, you get your account to GM and then you go around telling everyone how good you are at SC2 to impress teh ladies.
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Idiots throwing their money at pro-gamers is a good thing, especially Korean pros with little to no salary.
Rainbow was doing it for a good while on his stream before going to the army. He enjoyed doing it, the viewers enjoyed watching it and he earned money doing it. And let's not forget that the customers were happy with it.
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I always wondered why in the world someone would pay for a high ranking account. Aside from very minor scamming opportunities (streaming, selling coaching), which probably wouldn't last long before being discovered as a fraud, it seems completely pointless. No one cares about your ladder rank but you. Is that GM star really worth however much they are paying(how much ARE they paying?)?
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On July 17 2012 00:40 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 00:23 Adreme wrote:On July 17 2012 00:19 Leyra wrote:
I don't get why someone is dumb enough to pay for this, but even more I don't get why anyone else cares, lol. People will pay for a rank they didnt earn despite the fact that they know they wont keep it. The people who buy these are either convinced that they really are that good they just cant break thru the "lowbie wall" or they just want it so they can say they have it which is sort of a waste of money to me but who was I to judge. You forgot about Kawaii's point, that people can use an inflated GM account as basis for coaching, which in turn, takes legitimate income from legitimate pros who offer such coaching. So, the irony is that this does hurt eSports because it makes it more difficult for pros to earn a living in eSports. Have a nice day
Not saying this never happened, but it is a rather limited use. A much bigger problem is GM hackers offer coaching lessons (IMNesTea on NA comes to mind), but even that is not a issue since most people ask for pro-coach actually want name recognition first, which boosted accounts don't have.
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and i already found buying chars in mmos strange, where you could be max level in 2 days. Don't think it is a big issue for the ladder, sure you get beaten up by a runner up, but you get to beat them up when they run down again. But agree people that do that aren't pros anymore, but rather item farmer class.
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On July 17 2012 00:50 HardlyNever wrote:
I always wondered why in the world someone would pay for a high ranking account. Aside from very minor scamming opportunities (streaming, selling coaching), which probably wouldn't last long before being discovered as a fraud, it seems completely pointless. No one cares about your ladder rank but you. Is that GM star really worth however much they are paying(how much ARE they paying?)?
Rainbow charges $35 for first rank and $30 after, directly from his stream
http://www.twitch.tv/kimsungje
So... $185 from bronze to GM
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On July 17 2012 00:50 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 00:40 Kaitlin wrote:On July 17 2012 00:23 Adreme wrote:On July 17 2012 00:19 Leyra wrote:
I don't get why someone is dumb enough to pay for this, but even more I don't get why anyone else cares, lol. People will pay for a rank they didnt earn despite the fact that they know they wont keep it. The people who buy these are either convinced that they really are that good they just cant break thru the "lowbie wall" or they just want it so they can say they have it which is sort of a waste of money to me but who was I to judge. You forgot about Kawaii's point, that people can use an inflated GM account as basis for coaching, which in turn, takes legitimate income from legitimate pros who offer such coaching. So, the irony is that this does hurt eSports because it makes it more difficult for pros to earn a living in eSports. Have a nice day Not saying this never happened, but it is a rather limited use. A much bigger problem is GM hackers offer coaching lessons (IMNesTea on NA comes to mind), but even that is not a issue since most people ask for pro-coach actually want name recognition first, which boosted accounts don't have.
Anything short of a low master player probably couldnt hold onto a GM spot throughout the season much less do it with anything resembling a good enough record to get someone to buy coaching lessons. Now a hacker could probably do it but those are 2 entirely different conversations.
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Wow if naama doesn't do anything about this, i will have no respect for him. I remember a while back, select was doing this and the community raised concerns about it and in he admitted his mistake and stopped leveling other people's accounts for money.
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I am going to start selling down-leveling services to anyone who has had their account leveled and want to get back to bronze i will charge 30$ per down level and i can even get you into a bronze 2v2 league no charge.
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On July 17 2012 01:03 Cubu wrote:
Wow if naama doesn't do anything about this, i will have no respect for him. I remember a while back, select was doing this and the community raised concerns about it and in he admitted his mistake and stopped leveling other people's accounts for money.
I think what you mean is:
Wow if this thread doesn't shape up, i will have no respect for all the people accusing Naama without solid proof for no apparent reason.
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On July 17 2012 01:06 Prox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 01:03 Cubu wrote:
Wow if naama doesn't do anything about this, i will have no respect for him. I remember a while back, select was doing this and the community raised concerns about it and in he admitted his mistake and stopped leveling other people's accounts for money. I think what you mean is: Wow if this thread doesn't shape up, i will have no respect for all the people accusing Naama without solid proof for no apparent reason.
Read the OP please.
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On July 17 2012 01:07 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 01:06 Prox wrote:On July 17 2012 01:03 Cubu wrote:
Wow if naama doesn't do anything about this, i will have no respect for him. I remember a while back, select was doing this and the community raised concerns about it and in he admitted his mistake and stopped leveling other people's accounts for money. I think what you mean is: Wow if this thread doesn't shape up, i will have no respect for all the people accusing Naama without solid proof for no apparent reason. Read the OP please.
same hotkeys is not solid proof. and i think your respect doesnt feed "naama" if it is him.
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the ladder really doesn't matter much so its fine. Its not like theyre playing for someone in a tournament or something which would be infinitely worse
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