EPT[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS RO16 Group C - Page 8
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Shiori
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Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
I love this. He knows that there will always be a lot of haters out there but that the big clunk of swedes will be loyal and proud of him. Better to acknowledge that which he does oh so often. And yes Naniwa: WE ARE PROUD OF YOU! Any weird answers in the intervju in the world wouldn't change that fact. | ||
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oFFoy
Lithuania33 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On July 05 2012 03:49 kimchikid wrote: "Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish." I love this. He knows that there will always be a lot of haters out there but that the big clunk of swedes will be loyal and proud of him. Better to acknowledge that which he does oh so often. And yes Naniwa: WE ARE PROUD OF YOU! Any weird answers in the intervju in the world wouldn't change that fact. i also like this part despite the fact that im not swedish. he is a good swedish Starcraft2 gamer, stephano is a good french Starcraft2 gamer and mvp is a good korean Starcraft2 gamer. Time to stop this Korea vs the World shit. Yeah, thinking twice, some of you may call this racist. Seperating the players by their homecountry. But isnt it more racist to just do it with koreans? Suggestion to Nani: Maybe next time you should say something along the lines of "In first place im a good StarCraft2 player, not swedish or non-korean, simply one of the best in the world. Havent i proven this with my results by now?" | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 05 2012 03:04 cellblock wrote: I understand how you feel since you are from Belgium which is not a real country. So instead of actually discussing you went to something that i think is supposed to be an insult. | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:04 Assirra wrote: So instead of actually discussing you went to something that i think is supposed to be an insult. I suppose it was a joke, because as you might know: Belgium is actually a real country  I think his point was if you really think that the nation doesn´t matter at all why did you put it in your Profile? Every athlet in every sport is a representative of his country, just look at the TLPD on the right. At Olympics every nation enters the stadium at the beginning behind their flag. I honestly don´t understand why there is a (small) outcry if one athlet says he is proud being Swedish. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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Niteblade_
Canada292 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:04 Assirra wrote: So instead of actually discussing you went to something that i think is supposed to be an insult. Made m smile. I woulda I woulda laughed if he had instead said "ell everyone knows that Belgium is just a type of waffle, not a real country" or something to that effect | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:12 Hondelul wrote: I suppose it was a joke, because as you might know: Belgium is actually a real country I think his point was if you really think that the nation doesn´t matter at all why did you put it in your Profile? Every athlet in every sport is a represant of his country, just look at the TLPD on the right. At Olympics every nation enters the stadium at the beginning behind their flag. I honestly don´t understand why there is a (small) outcry if one athlet says he is prowed being Swedish. Well the reason it is in my profile is because i want it complete? Also, i don't mind him saying it all, i never commented on it in the start. I just replied why i found and will always find it silly to be "proud to be x" when you did zero work on it. Btw representing your country (something you worked for with blood/sweat and tears) and being proud to be x is a completely different concept. | ||
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I like to say that it is quite difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. Westerners are more adaptive. When you are new in Korea it is easy without knowing it that you insult them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they dont like to deal with you, it gets dangerous to be with you. As a new foreigner it is difficult to feel and understand these rules and cultural things. But after staying in Korea for more than a year or so you normally get a better chance to catch it better. So if the reason that the koreans in the same house dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani it can easily change in the future when he gets more experience in korean culture and they gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society. Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count. Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner. My advice to Nani, go out drinking with them and be as humble as you can possibly be. Make silly jokes such as that you are so jealous about how many girlfriend the other guys have (always comes up). And tell them how much you like Samsung products. Never talk deep things if you dont know them 100%. Koreans dont care about such things. Also want to add that I love Korea and Japan, but you need to learn to love it the hard way! This was just speculation, take it for what it is. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani. But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I always think that it is difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. It is VERY EASY when you are new in Korea to without knowing it insulting them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they might not like it, it gets anoying. After staying in Korea for more than a year a westerner might learn to understand that more. If the reason that koreans dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani than it can for sure change later when Nani gets more experience of korean culture and gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society. Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count. Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner. This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Naniwa spoke about this in an interview with RAKAKA, that he sometimes do things which are seen as wrong in Korea but he doesn't understand and people in Korea don't say what you've done wrong to your face. So sometimes he doesn't understand what he's done and people can be pissed off without telling him whats bothering them. And that most Koreans aren't as forgiving any longer either, since he's been there for 6 months now so they expect him to understand the norms and their culture. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish. hellz yeah, i support this all the way. its refreshing to see some honest-to-god patriotism nowadays when everyone is so scared to say anything that might seem even the slightest bit nationalist. imo he represents his country very well in the SC scene, along with the other baller Swedish players. In my opinion, the two strongest foreigners are myself and Stephano. he'll probably get crap for this, but it's true. there are a couple of other contenders out there, but him and Stephano are a step above for now. been discouraging a lot of up and comers (ten e-bucks to anyone who gets the reference) gotta love Naniwa's confidence and his wear-my-heart-on-my-sleeve style. | ||
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:40 Eee wrote: Naniwa spoke about this in an interview with RAKAKA, that he sometimes do things which are seen as wrong in Korea but he doesn't understand and people in Korea don't say what you've done wrong to your face. So sometimes he doesn't understand what he's done and people can be pissed off without telling him whats bothering them. And that most Koreans aren't as forgiving any longer either, since he's been there for 6 months now so they expect him to understand the norms and their culture. I am happy to hear that, that makes perfectly sense. I have been working as only foreigner in Korean company and same things happen to me and everybody else foreigners. So difficult cultures. But good thing is - IT CAN AND WILL CHANGE as he stays in Korea. To learn Korean is a very good thing to do. Also: I edited and added some stuff in my post. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote: It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance? Being proud of being smart or being athletic seems just as silly then, doesn't it? I see no problem with being "proud," as in having a nice feeling about being a part of something larger, of your country. We can be proud of other groups we're in, right? | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:50 kimchikid wrote: I am happy to hear that, that makes perfectly sense. I have been working as only foreigner in Korean company and same things happen to me and everybody else foreigners. So difficult cultures. But good thing is - IT CAN AND WILL CHANGE as he stays in Korea. To learn Korean is a very good thing to do. Also: I edited and added some stuff in my post. Thanks for the insight man. I'm going to Korea on business in a few months, and I'm quite worried about this kind of thing happening. What do you suggest? | ||
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