EPT[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS RO16 Group C - Page 6
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paintfive
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
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Elsid
Ireland318 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:55 BlackGosu wrote: naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1 FACPALM What has that got to do with Jinros past achievements? | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:47 Vardant wrote: Cause clearly, he was interview by the TL board members. He should have taken that into account. Nani so BM! People seem determined to seize on absolutely anything and everything Naniwa says that could possibly be construed as offensive to somebody, somewhere. Guys no one has yet pointed out that he said he wants to beat Nestea so he can't make any excuses. He implied Nestea has been making excuses about losing to him. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:55 BlackGosu wrote: naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1 FACPALM Nobody is saying naniwa isn't better than jinro, but he didn't ACHIEVE more. past achievements=/= current skill, obviously.... | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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paintfive
785 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish? TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote: honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad He said ''not sure if trolling'' because he said ''that's what makes us better than everyone else'' is a very patriotic phrase. | ||
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bhfberserk
Canada390 Posts
 Naniwa vs Nestea would be so epic. Crazy Epic. Naniwa is probably the top foreigner and out done Jinro idra by miles. It is the same as to Flash is the "Most accomplished Bonjwa", even though Boxer's, Nada, Savior...etc have done crazy amount. It is still the common-known fact that Flash is above them...etc. So no harm in what Naniwa said really, even it is cocky  E-sport needs more Idra giving MC the finger. It really hype up the match so much! | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:55 BlackGosu wrote: naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1 FACPALM Doesn't matter. Jinro made Round of 4 twice--- regardless of whether or not NaNiwa is better than him, the fact is he wasn't at that time. Even if he is "better than he was now", that does not take away from Jinro's achievements in the GSL still trumping NaNiwa's currently. Plus, NaNiwa never directly qualified for Code A/S--- he received seeds, and I'm pretty sure Jinro qualified through the preliminary system they had when he first played in the GSL during Season 3. The people in the Code A qualifiers are very good--- and even some of the best Code S caliber players have a hard time getting back into the GSL (CoCa, DRG for instance). Without those seeds, it's not a given that NaNiwa would still be in Code S (perhaps he gets knocked out in prelims, or in the Code A stages), but it's also not a given that he wouldn't still be where he is at. | ||
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Swords
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
Randomly bringing up a comparison with Jinros achievements just oozes bad confidence. | ||
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On July 05 2012 02:16 Mylin wrote: Seems about as insecure as a teenage girl. Randomly bringing up a comparison with Jinros achievements just oozes bad confidence. Thanks, armchair psychologist. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On July 05 2012 00:29 Apolo wrote: Forever alone? :/ How come no one else practices with him ? :| Maybe cuz he's BM? Someone should ask him | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On July 05 2012 02:07 SniXSniPe wrote: Doesn't matter. Jinro made Round of 4 twice--- regardless of whether or not NaNiwa is better than him, the fact is he wasn't at that time. Even if he is "better than he was now", that does not take away from Jinro's achievements in the GSL still trumping NaNiwa's currently. Plus, NaNiwa never directly qualified for Code A/S--- he received seeds, and I'm pretty sure Jinro qualified through the preliminary system they had when he first played in the GSL during Season 3. The people in the Code A qualifiers are very good--- and even some of the best Code S caliber players have a hard time getting back into the GSL (CoCa, DRG for instance). Without those seeds, it's not a given that NaNiwa would still be in Code S (perhaps he gets knocked out in prelims, or in the Code A stages), but it's also not a given that he wouldn't still be where he is at. This whole debate seems pretty pointless to me. The game and GSL have change so much since Jinro's appearances in the GSL it's impossible to compare the two. You could argue all day about who was more impressive. You can talk about how Jinro qualified through Code A. You can talk about how GSL was organized differently when Jinro played. You can argue Jinro played during a period where Terrans still had all sorts of crazy advantages, and the games were being played on shit maps. To me, Jinro was a pioneer. He was a foreigner making a big splash in Korea and paving the way for other foreigners to get in via seedings (as Naniwa and Thorzain did). Naniwa is the second stage of that. Now that the game has stabilized somewhat (David Kim's patching might honestly show otherwise) and players are more consistent (no more bit-by-bits) he's doing incredible things now that the game's talent level has risen. They don't need to be compared. They played in entirely different eras and their achievements mean different things due to when they played. It's like comparing NBA/ABA player point totals before and after 3-pointers were added to the game of basketball. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On July 05 2012 02:16 zeratul_jf wrote: I think his achievements were harder to achieve because the game is more evolved but he shouldnt take away from jinro. Is like saying fruitdealer wasnt a GSL champion because things were "easier" back then, even though you could argue they werent for zerg because of the maps. Jinro made it to the RO4 twice until Naniwa does that Jinro stil has gotten further in the GSL. He isn't taking away from Jinro's achievements, he's just saying that the metagame was less developed back in the day and now that things have mostly stabilized, only the really good terrans can get far. As an example, Jinro got through one round using mech against a befuddled MC and we never really see that anymore | ||
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shabinka
United States469 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish? TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What the hell are you talking about? Of all the things he said in the interview you had to get all up in arms with that? lol | ||
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