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+ Show Spoiler [Interview] + You are back in ro8 after one whole year. How do you feel? Great. Ro8 means you have a Code S spot for next season and I’m happy because I can play without any pressure from now on. You advanced in first place. That must make it even better. To be honest, I didn’t practise any TvT for today. There were two Protosses so I focused on them and somehow I won a TvT to advance in first place. Keen played very aggressively. How did you deal with this? I didn’t practise TvT but I did watch Keen’s VODs. He used the build that Gumiho once used against him. Despite having seen the build in action, I still took a lot of damage from the hellions and thought about just typing in GG. I kept playing without giving up and thanks to Keen’s mistake with stim, I was able to win. In the winner’s match, you had two games where you had 200 army battles. I didn’t expect Genius to pick Whirlwind for Set 2. I thought I was done for after I found out it was cross-positions spawn. I used a build that I had prepared for another map and it didn’t work. I tried to end it early by being aggressive but my opponent held out and the game dragged on. I could have finished it earlier but I made a mistake with the rally and my army was split over several places. You have qualified for OSL and now advanced to ro8 in GSL. Your comeback is complete. Not quite. I’m not too happy about my performance today. I was too nervous. Of course my goal was to get to ro8 and secure a spot in Code S and I have realised it. Next time, I’ll try to play more relaxed. How far will you go before you say you are back? I’ve made it as far as ro4 before so I think I should go at least that far. Did you talk to MKP after he was eliminated in ro16? We didn’t talk about his being eliminated and I don’t think he’s too hung up on it either. He’s very strong mentally. At the moment, he complains that TvZ is difficult and is collecting various builds. I recommended a build to MKP for his OSL qualifier. He lost a game that he had basically won because he stuffed up. Then, he has the nerve to blame the loss on me (laugh). Anything to add? I want to thank my practice partners Tear, MC, Top, Creator, Classic, and Maru. I saw that Coca qualified for OSL. I want to congratulate him. Also, I think I was a bit vague in my OSL qualifier interview. I couldn’t get the meaning across that I wanted. I want to take this opportunity to apologise for that mistake. Lastly, in two days, I’m the first player in our GSTL match so I hope to have a great game against Alicia. Alicia is a player I like very much.
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QuanticNaniwa
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+ Show Spoiler [Interview] + Your thoughts on advancing to ro8 for the second season in a row? I’m not sure how I should feel. Every season, I think that I will get eliminated so advancing to ro8 doesn’t feel real to me. You started by losing the first match to Genius. How did you feel then? I became depressed because I couldn’t stop the stalker in Set 1 and lost as a result. However, I just told myself that there were plenty of opportunities to make up for this at other tournaments and that I shouldn’t give up. Then, I lost Set 3 and got really mad. However, the break between the matches helped a lot in calming me down. You took a 2:0 victory against Keen in the loser’s match. Did the matches play out as you expected? It was more difficult than I expected. I once beat Keen 2:0 at Dreamhack so I thought it would be very easy but straight away with Set 1, it was a gruelling match. Having observed Keen’s play in foreign tournaments, I tried to counter his strong point which is multitasking and this worked to my favour and contributed to my win. You had a rematch against Genius in the final match. Did you expect to be able to take your revenge? I did have a rematch against Genius but I didn’t care who my opponent was. Between the two players in the winner’s match, Byun is the better player but I saw that he was nervous and was confident about taking him on also. I’d already lost to Genius in the previous match and he’s also a very experienced player so I was a bit nervous but psychologically, I felt that I had the upper hand. I have eliminated Genius in the previous season and in that aspect, I had the advantage. Genius didn’t get the colossus range upgrade in Set 3 of the final match. Were you aware? I had no idea. You played very defensively today. Is there a reason for this? There is. Last season, I played very aggressively and I expected other players to have figured that style out by now. Also, Byun and Keen are both aggressive players. I’m confident about long macro games so I played defensively and opted for macro play.
What is your opinion on Zerg getting stronger after the patch? The reason Zerg got stronger is because the buffed queen range makes it difficult for Protoss to pressure the Zerg. Also, even if you go for the late game, Zerg has huge production so they have the upper hand. I happened to think that Zerg was very strong even before the patch. Protoss does not win against Zerg in long games. I hope David Kim watches more GSL and learns why Protoss has to all in off of two bases all the time. You are the only foreigner to reach ro8 for two seasons in a row so are you proud? Of course. I feel that I have already outdone Jinro’s achievements. Things were much easier back then. The fact that Jinro is no longer in Code S is proof of that. In my opinion, the two strongest foreigners are myself and Stephano. Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish. Are you confident about advancing to ro4 which will be the best result a foreigner has achieved? I set the goal too low last season. So this season, I know it will be hard but I am aiming for the championship. My least confident matchup is PvZ but if I overcome this hurdle through practice, there is every chance that I will win. If you had to point out the biggest hurdle to your victory? In my opinion, the best Protoss at the moment is Creator. I feel like if you can beat Creator, you can beat any Protoss. Last season, I lost to MVP but rather than me playing badly, that was just MVP playing really well. As long as improve my psychological aspect, I should be able to beat anyone. Who do you expect to face in ro8. Anyone you want to face? I think DRG will take first place in his group. I hope it’s Supernova or Ryung. If either makes it, I would be willing to treat them to anything they choose. I think it would be meaningful if Nestea makes it in first place and faces me too. If I beat Nestea again this time, he won’t have any excuses. Can you speak any Korean? Despite my long stay in Korea, I don’t know any Korean at all. I haven’t been able to learn any because I’ve been busy so I want to start once this season is over. Anything to add? Parting is the only player who practised with me. I am extremely grateful to Parting and want to thank many people on the ladder.
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BYUNJWA <3 thanks~ he looks so thin here though o.O OSL/GSL!! glad to hear mkp is coping okay, looking forward to GSTL!!
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I recommended a build to MKP for his OSL qualifier. He lost a game that he had basically won because he stuffed up. Then, he has the nerve to blame the loss on me (laugh).
Haha
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Then, he has the nerve to blame the loss on me (laugh) attaboy
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It's nice to see Byun advancing, i really like his play...he and coca are doing very well after that "vacation"
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thanks sw now give me Naniwa interview :D gotcha?
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On July 04 2012 22:07 torm3ntin wrote: thanks sw now give me Naniwa interview :D gotcha? lol i like genius though
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On July 04 2012 22:07 torm3ntin wrote: thanks sw now give me Naniwa interview :D gotcha? make one up like specfire
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Sick! Thanks for the really quick translation storywriter! :D
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On July 04 2012 22:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 22:07 torm3ntin wrote: thanks sw now give me Naniwa interview :D gotcha? make one up like specfire  haha. but man that was so weird. translating is one thing but making an interview up must be a lot of work.
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completely irrelevant, but was byun the one always streaming jpop a year ago when he used to stream on TL alot or was that hack when they were back in zenex?
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On July 04 2012 22:32 iky43210 wrote: completely irrelevant, but was byun the one always streaming jpop a year ago when he used to stream on TL alot or was that hack when they were back in zenex? Byun always streamed video game music, specfically from Persona and Legend of Heroes.
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On July 04 2012 22:36 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 22:32 iky43210 wrote: completely irrelevant, but was byun the one always streaming jpop a year ago when he used to stream on TL alot or was that hack when they were back in zenex? Byun always streamed video game music, specfically from Persona and Legend of Heroes. ok, it must have been hack instead then. thanks
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On July 04 2012 22:36 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 22:32 iky43210 wrote: completely irrelevant, but was byun the one always streaming jpop a year ago when he used to stream on TL alot or was that hack when they were back in zenex? Byun always streamed video game music, specfically from Persona and Legend of Heroes.
Yeah, he seems to have a real liking for japanese anime and video game music :p I mean, we're talking about a guy who called himself "Bleach" in the open seasons..
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On July 04 2012 22:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 22:07 torm3ntin wrote: thanks sw now give me Naniwa interview :D gotcha? make one up like specfire 
lol. I don't enjoy bans :D
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wooo nani~ no need to make up interviews!
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Byun!!! Best player in the world atm!!!
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hahaha "I recommended a build to MKP for his OSL qualifier. He lost a game that he had basically won because he stuffed up. Then, he has the nerve to blame the loss on me (laugh). "
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On July 04 2012 22:12 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 22:10 opterown wrote:On July 04 2012 22:07 torm3ntin wrote: thanks sw now give me Naniwa interview :D gotcha? make one up like specfire  haha. but man that was so weird. translating is one thing but making an interview up must be a lot of work. Ummm..... not at all. I could create an interview out of thin air right now if you asked me to
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I've loved Byun since the olden days, especially that unforgettable comeback vs bomber on xel naga fortress and coming back from that to win the series.
i was devastated when he was dropped from professional play from a slip up. but by god it's good to have him back. byun fighting.
but i cant WAIT for the naniwa interview. i really wanna hear what he was going to do with DAT probe.
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NaNiWa needs a big interiew. I really do hope someone asks about his probe. This will be pretty interesting. Also Byun seems like a pretty legitmate person.
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Thx for translation once more. ByuN is solid, if he plays like that with nerves.
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Gief naniwa interview already
Curse my lack of korean understanding, Naniwa interview is up but I cant read it
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Byun is so freaking Good holy shit!
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Thanks again! Great reads.
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Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird.
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reading naniwa's interviews he seems to have a really good mindset now, glad to see him playing really well too!
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You are the only foreigner to reach ro8 for two seasons in a row so are you proud?
Of course. I feel that I have already outdone Jinro’s achievements. Things were much easier back then. The fact that Jinro is no longer in Code S is proof of that. In my opinion, the two strongest foreigners are myself and Stephano. Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish. Made me smile for sure
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Parting is the only player who practised with me. I am extremely grateful to Parting and want to thank many people on the ladder.
Forever alone? :/ How come no one else practices with him ? :|
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"First foreigner to get ro8 twice in a row" "Ro4 will be the best result for a foreigner"
Have they forgotten about Jinro or something? Regardless of how it was relatively easier.
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i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else
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Naniwa interview is both nice and sad. The guy is finally living to his expectation of himself, but I feel like he don't believe in that fully yet.
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On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else http://www.youtube.com/user/SwedishMealTime
just sayin' ^^
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Really think his comments about Jinro are quite tactless, Naniwa really does say stupid shit all the time :/
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Nani the patriot... also, why is noone practicing with him...
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On July 05 2012 00:35 Elsid wrote: Really think his comments about Jinro are quite tactless, Naniwa really does say stupid shit all the time :/
What? They're true. I think almost everyone would agree that 2 Code S Ro8's now is a little more impressive then 2 Ro4's from over a year and a half ago.
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On July 05 2012 00:35 Elsid wrote: Really think his comments about Jinro are quite tactless, Naniwa really does say stupid shit all the time :/
As true as that is, I'm happy to look past it and just be happy for his victory.
some people are just naturally bad at PR. At least he's willing to talk. I'd be too scared, regardless of how good I was.
Congrats to both winners, screwed up my liquibet, but I'm glad the games played out this way. Everyone in this group played really well.
EDIT: Truth to a statement does not make it tactful. For instance if he'd said "Previously the best a foreigner had done was ____ times in GSL round of ___" or whatever, that would be tactful. He's pointing out fact without pointing out things that hurt the achievement of the previous best foreigner. Personally I think it's all moot, and think he should be immensely proud.
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On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than evzeryone else
This made me LOL really hard 
NaNiwa droppin bombs in his interview! Happy that he singled out my lil buddy Creator as best protoss ATM.
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On July 05 2012 00:38 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than evzeryone else This made me LOL really hard  NaNiwa droppin bombs in his interview! Happy that he singled out my lil buddy Creator as best protoss ATM. well we definitely aren't but yeah he phrased a lil funky ^^
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Why does people keep hating on honesty? I'd rather every player be completely honest instead of saying things they don't even mean just for good PR and some extra money.
Of course it's how the world works though, but I think NaNiwa is really cool for not going with the flow. To me, it sometimes hurts me to see people saying things they definitely don't mean. I know Koreans etc are very "respectful" towards other players but that also makes them fake and a bunch of liars. We all know that a Korean doesn't think that [insert random foreign player who's never been to Korea] is a great player, yet of course they will say so in an interview.
I like the fact that NaNiwa doesn't really care about this. He speaks his mind - if someone sucks - he says so. If someone is good (like Creator for example) - he'll say so as well. He doesn't lie, he isn't fake, he speaks his mind and I admire him for doing that.
Frickin' awesome NaNiwa, can't wait for ro8!!!
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Wow. Parting was the only one who practiced with me.
That sounded so so sad lol. Naniwa you really kicked ass today.
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NANIWA FIGHTING !!!
This dude rocks! He's one of the bests, he knows it and he says it! No need for fake modesty! And that's not being arrogant to state a fact! Hope he can get all the practice partners he need for his RO8, I'd be really sad to learn that several players have refused to practice with him. However the Jinro comment was bit tactless like someone previously said, after all he could show a bit more respect for people's past achievements.
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I don't get the balance question anymore at this point tbh. atm we got 2 terran, 3 protoss and 1 zerg in round 8 and still with the balance questions that zerg is OP.
Anyway, great work storywriter and grats Byun and Naniwa.
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On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else
Better than everyone else... Because we don't think we are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
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lollll, if you read Parting's OSL interview he is almost as arrogant as Naniwa. They must be bff
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nani just says what he feels, who gives a shit about pr when your a fucking boss.
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lol wtf Parting is the only one training with me
Even Sase didn't want, haha
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On July 05 2012 00:47 Azurues wrote: lol wtf Parting is the only one training with me
Even Sase didn't want, haha
SaSe in Sweden. Cross-server/world/time-zone practice not ideal
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On July 05 2012 00:47 Azurues wrote: lol wtf Parting is the only one training with me
Even Sase didn't want, haha
Might have something to do with WCS Sweden.
edit: Actually, it's ages (20+ days) away. Nevermind.
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On July 05 2012 00:44 BlindKill wrote: lollll, if you read Parting's OSL interview he is almost as arrogant as Naniwa. They must be bff i loled there. but you're right parting always appears arrogant in interviews
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On July 05 2012 00:47 Azurues wrote: lol wtf Parting is the only one training with me
Even Sase didn't want, haha
Sase is at homestory x)
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On July 05 2012 00:48 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:44 BlindKill wrote: lollll, if you read Parting's OSL interview he is almost as arrogant as Naniwa. They must be bff i loled there. but you're right parting always appears arrogant in interviews  their personalities click at least, so it's not surprising really ^^
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On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality.
I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to...
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On July 05 2012 00:40 Probe1 wrote: Wow. Parting was the only one who practiced with me.
That sounded so so sad lol. Naniwa you really kicked ass today. If you could only have one person to practice with, I'd put Parting pretty high on my list :p
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I'm starting to like Naniwa, wtf...
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On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality. I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to... How did he insult Jinro? Everyone knows that what he said is true. In fact he paid Jinro a complement as his answer suggests he considers Jinro's achievements to have been the highest previously among the foreigners. I swear people are just looking for drama in his replies. There may be reasons why people aren't practising with him, but it has nothing to do with his interviews.
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On that last question I felt kinda bad for Naniwa, but man Parting what a bro
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On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality. I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to... What's insulting? People have been saying that about Jinro for a long time and I guess even he would have to agree.
Foreigners just seem to have a hard time keeping up even while training in Korea and that makes their past achievements, well, not look that good.
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On July 05 2012 00:57 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality. I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to... How did he insult Jinro? Everyone knows that what he said is true. If everyone knows it they why insult the guy in public? It was an unnecessary jab at someone and explains why many pros dislike the guy.
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On July 05 2012 00:57 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality. I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to... How did he insult Jinro? Everyone knows that what he said is true. While that is true it is totally uncalled for and the interviewer never mentioned , he just flapped it out.
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On July 05 2012 00:59 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:57 nam nam wrote:On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality. I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to... How did he insult Jinro? Everyone knows that what he said is true. If everyone knows it they why insult the guy in public? It was an unnecessary jab at someone and explains why many pros dislike the guy.
It wasn't an insult. What's so hard to understand about that?
On July 05 2012 01:00 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:57 nam nam wrote:On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality. I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to... How did he insult Jinro? Everyone knows that what he said is true. While that is true it is totally uncalled for and the interviewer never mentioned , he just flapped it out.
Yeah, god forbid pros answer with something more than a yes or a no... Do you have to look for drama to be happy? Take the answer for what it is.
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On July 05 2012 00:55 zezamer wrote: I'm starting to like Naniwa, wtf... and I'm starting to dislike him, haha.
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Just ask anyone about Fruit Dealer and they will say pretty much the same thing and that guy won the GSL. It's sad, in both cases, but that's just how it is.
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as a fan of Jinro it may look really insulting, but i think Jinro should understand. I mean he haven't got through the slump or improved pacely as the other foreigners/koreans as he should be 
But oh well, Naniwa might say it under all the adrenaline he get from winning the last game
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On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else
Not sure if trolling.
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I think it would be meaningful if Nestea makes it in first place and faces me too. If I beat Nestea again this time, he won’t have any excuses.
make this happen! it will increase viewer count by a lot and i love juicy drama
i don't think it's possible though since DRG is beast
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I'm glad for Nani and I'll be rooting for him. The overall skill level is definitely higher now, but I still rate Jinros consecutive ro4 finishes higher than naniwas double ro8. If Nani get's to ro4 then they're tied.
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On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else Not sure if trolling. honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad
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On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else Not sure if trolling. honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion.
And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon).
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Next patch I foresee a zerg nerf.
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On July 05 2012 00:44 BlindKill wrote: lollll, if you read Parting's OSL interview he is almost as arrogant as Naniwa. They must be bff Parting, the new SaSe?
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It's a socially accepted thing nowadays that if you are proud of your achievements and lucid enough to know that you're the best at something, you are a douche if you say it! Why?? Because all the mediocre (not "literally" mediocre, just everyone who isn't as good as you) people would feel bad from hearing it. So you don't want to hurts their poor feelings.
F*ck feelings, if you're the best at something and you know it there's no shame in clearly saying it! Fake modesty is just another shitty concept people try to hide behind stuffs like humility ... saying that one should be humble. It's not a lack of humility to say such things! It's not like he was taunting anyone or rubbing someone's face in what he's saying.
EDIT: all I say here is of course meant in a competitive environment like eSport is
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On July 05 2012 01:15 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else Not sure if trolling. honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion. And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon). Not forbidden. But certainly frowned upon by at least some of the older swedes.
I think we as a nation have gone to far in terms of political correctness, modesty and anti-invidualism.
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ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa!
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On July 05 2012 01:15 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else Not sure if trolling. honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion. And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon). Didn't mean it like that, just meant that independant thinking is a good thing, and I don't think patriotism should affect it. Just think it's a superior ideology, it's got nothing to do about being Swedish of course.
...and I've no idea where you heard it was illegal to raise flags, that's just silly. Most people don't really care if they're there or not, but there's nothing wrong with doing it. Yes, some frown upon it, but generally people are pretty indifferent about it.
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On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote: ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa!
That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young.
I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.
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It may be harder mechanically now to reach the Ro8 but I fail however to see what that has to do with the comparative difficulty of reaching the ro4 twice in a row back when Jinro did it, both times the players were at the complete edge of the competitive scene they were/are as far as it could go in their time.
For that reason I'd call it bullshit to try and claim that Jinros accomplishments were "easier". Also no one ever said he had to fake humility, you don't have to fake humility. I don't think anyone would give a shit too much if he'd said "I think this is my biggest achievement" or "The biggest foreign achievement". However he says "The fact that Jinro is no longer in code S is proof of that" talking about his achievement being greater. There's absolutely no reason to reference Jinro at all while expressing the sentiment that he thinks his achievement is the best.
Also it's strange to say something like that when he was seeded into code S and everytime Jinro was offered a seed to any GSL league he declined it because he thought he didn't deserve to get in like that.
Edit: Actually I forgot to mention but leveller who posted under me is correct , stuff can get lost in translation so it could be absolutely nothing.
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On July 05 2012 00:35 Elsid wrote: Really think his comments about Jinro are quite tactless, Naniwa really does say stupid shit all the time :/
agreed that statement had 0 style but lets not judge answers based on
korean questions, translated into english, answered by a swedish person in english, translated back to korean, then translated back to english again
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On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young. I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.
If the others sucked shouldn't have he sucked just as equally too?
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Naniwa is such a lightning rod to such comments lol. Any good interviewers will try to lure it out of him (or in this case, it just comes out by himself). I'm not bashing him, mind you. A little trash-talking is good for any sports.
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On July 05 2012 01:27 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:15 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else Not sure if trolling. honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion. And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon). Didn't mean it like that, just meant that independant thinking is a good thing, and I don't think patriotism should affect it. Just think it's a superior ideology, it's got nothing to do about being Swedish of course. ...and I've no idea where you heard it was illegal to raise flags, that's just silly. Most people don't really care if they're there or not, but there's nothing wrong with doing it. Yes, some frown upon it, but generally people are pretty indifferent about it.
Why do people bitch when he is proud to be Swedish? You do realize the Koreans do this a lot right? A love for ones country to represent them is nothing to be going up in arms at
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On July 05 2012 00:37 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:35 Elsid wrote: Really think his comments about Jinro are quite tactless, Naniwa really does say stupid shit all the time :/ What? They're true. I think almost everyone would agree that 2 Code S Ro8's now is a little more impressive then 2 Ro4's from over a year and a half ago.
Nope. You just can't do that, and he should know better.
That's like saying Boxer's achievements in BW mean nothing because they were so long ago when everyone was bad. Or, one of my favorites, when Jesse Owens pwnd Hitler's olympians in 1936. He didn't run as fast as Usain Bolt (nevermind they didn't even use starting blocks back then!), so his achievements obviously didn't matter.
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Nani moved to the other side of the bracket now according to liquipedia!! :D I would say it's a good trade, considering how he would likely meet Symobl in RO4
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On July 05 2012 01:00 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:57 nam nam wrote:On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote: Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird. Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality. I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to... How did he insult Jinro? Everyone knows that what he said is true. While that is true it is totally uncalled for and the interviewer never mentioned , he just flapped it out.
'You are the only foreigner to reach Ro8 twice in a row-'
Clearly the interviewer wanted to know Naniwa's thoughts on being the most successful foreigner in Korea atm, and possibly ever. It is totally expected for Naniwa to reference the current foreigner record for success in the GSL. Sure he put it a little bluntly, you'd have to be pretty overly sensitive to actually take any offense seeing as it's 100% true.
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On July 05 2012 01:15 RageBot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else Not sure if trolling. honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion. And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon).
No, it is in no way illegal, especially not on our national day. I dislike patriotism and wouldn't appreciate flag waving but having a flag on your house at a holiday or something is more than fine. A bit of patriotism is fine when it comes to trivial things, like sports and video games. Thus, I am happy that sweden is represented so strongly in the GSL by ballers like Jinro and Naniwa :D
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lol PartinG and Naniwa, sounds like a pair. Wonder who gives cocky attitude to who.
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On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young. I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.
Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8?
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On July 05 2012 01:39 Sif_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote: ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa! That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young. I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then. Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8? If the skill level raises dramatically, yes. This is likely with all the BW pros switching over.
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On July 05 2012 01:38 canikizu wrote: lol PartinG and Naniwa, sounds like a pair. Wonder who gives cocky attitude to who.
They take turns obviously.
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On July 05 2012 01:33 AsymptoticClimax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote: ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa! That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young. I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then. If the others sucked shouldn't have he sucked just as equally too? The game was new, most of the stuff wasn't even close to being figured out, so the disparity between players was so much greater.
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On July 05 2012 01:42 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:38 canikizu wrote: lol PartinG and Naniwa, sounds like a pair. Wonder who gives cocky attitude to who.
They take turns obviously.
This is all gay code.
+ Show Spoiler +That's a Community reference, not homophobia ;0
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On July 05 2012 01:33 AsymptoticClimax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote: ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa! That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young. I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then. If the others sucked shouldn't have he sucked just as equally too?
That's true, my point is basically that there's been such a drastical skill increase since then that it's pretty much uncomparable. It's two different games.
Same thing will happen if BW professionals get crazy good and take over the scene. Then perhaps 2 years from now, this achievement from NaNiwa won't matter at all unless he keeps up with them.
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Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?
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On July 05 2012 01:39 Sif_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote: ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa! That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young. I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then. Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8?
Can't tell if trolling or really stupid ....
The difference is pretty obvious, the game wasn't as thought out 2 years ago as it is right now. There's no credit to take away from Jinro, he basically managed to be smarter (while still having top level mechanics) than most players in a time where mind games and creativity meant the most (IMO). Nowadays people value consistency over mind games and creativity because as everyone understands the game much better, it is only normal that everyone will tend to play it in the most efficient way (leading to very specific composition throughout an entire game). Creativity is still something great but it's not the kind of skills you are required to win in GSL any more, what you need now is a perfect understanding of the game (because everyone basically has it), perfect mechanics and of course a bit of genius (no bad play on words here ) to make the difference.
EDIT: I'm not saying creativity is now useless, just that it wouldn't be as efficient as it used to since people have had time to explore most of the game's possibilities.
On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?
/facepalm
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On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? Cause clearly, he was interview by the TL board members. He should have taken that into account. Nani so BM!
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The answers are not polite but honest and I respect that. The Jinro part is no insult for me, you saw the same line numerous times on the forum, nothing bad in saying it out aloud.
Thanks for the translations and gratz Naniwa.
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I just simply don't agree with the statement that one must "keep up" with their achievment for it to have any value after some time.
How about Pelé being the king of soccer? He did what he did in the 60s, soccer nowadays is light years ahead of what it was, in terms of player conditioning and whatnot. Even the ball sucked back then.
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It's ridiculous to say past achievements don't matter. Just on a personal note, I still love White-Ra for beating Idra back in the HDH finals in beta! Damn were those some exciting games...
Everyone tried their hardest back then. Out of all those players trying their hardest, coming up with builds, realizing things about the game, they were the best in the world; and Jinro was one of them. Do you take away someones sports trophy or medal when someone beats their record? Do you take away someones nobel prize when someone advances their theories?
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On July 05 2012 01:48 leveller wrote: It's ridiculous to say past achievements don't matter. Just on a personal note, I still love White-Ra for beating Idra back in the HDH finals in beta! Damn were those some exciting games...
Everyone tried their hardest back then. Out of all those players trying their hardest, coming up with builds, realizing things about the game, they were the best in the world; and Jinro was one of them. Do you take away someones sports trophy or medal when someone beats their record? Do you take away someones nobel prize when someone advances their theories?
Of course you do, just ask Nani and half of TL.
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You guys know that... Jinro is also Swedish... Right?
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naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1
FACPALM
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On July 05 2012 01:55 BlackGosu wrote: naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1
FACPALM
What has that got to do with Jinros past achievements?
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On July 05 2012 01:47 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? Cause clearly, he was interview by the TL board members. He should have taken that into account. Nani so BM!
People seem determined to seize on absolutely anything and everything Naniwa says that could possibly be construed as offensive to somebody, somewhere.
Guys no one has yet pointed out that he said he wants to beat Nestea so he can't make any excuses. He implied Nestea has been making excuses about losing to him.
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On July 05 2012 01:55 BlackGosu wrote: naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1
FACPALM Nobody is saying naniwa isn't better than jinro, but he didn't ACHIEVE more. past achievements=/= current skill, obviously....
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On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?
What's wrong with loving your country?
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On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote: i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/
we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else Not sure if trolling. honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad
He said ''not sure if trolling'' because he said ''that's what makes us better than everyone else'' is a very patriotic phrase.
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Some people will call this BM, but I sure love all the drama, rivalry in SC2  Naniwa vs Nestea would be so epic. Crazy Epic. Naniwa is probably the top foreigner and out done Jinro idra by miles. It is the same as to Flash is the "Most accomplished Bonjwa", even though Boxer's, Nada, Savior...etc have done crazy amount. It is still the common-known fact that Flash is above them...etc. So no harm in what Naniwa said really, even it is cocky 
E-sport needs more Idra giving MC the finger. It really hype up the match so much!
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On July 05 2012 01:55 BlackGosu wrote: naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1
FACPALM
Doesn't matter.
Jinro made Round of 4 twice--- regardless of whether or not NaNiwa is better than him, the fact is he wasn't at that time. Even if he is "better than he was now", that does not take away from Jinro's achievements in the GSL still trumping NaNiwa's currently.
Plus, NaNiwa never directly qualified for Code A/S--- he received seeds, and I'm pretty sure Jinro qualified through the preliminary system they had when he first played in the GSL during Season 3. The people in the Code A qualifiers are very good--- and even some of the best Code S caliber players have a hard time getting back into the GSL (CoCa, DRG for instance).
Without those seeds, it's not a given that NaNiwa would still be in Code S (perhaps he gets knocked out in prelims, or in the Code A stages), but it's also not a given that he wouldn't still be where he is at.
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Kinda surprised NaNi wasn't practicing with Squirtle and Bomber too - they usually seem to be his practice partners in these situations. Hopefully there isn't drama with his teammates.
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It would be interesting to have a translation of Korean netizen reaction to his win.
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Seems about as insecure as a teenage girl.
Randomly bringing up a comparison with Jinros achievements just oozes bad confidence.
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I think his achievements were harder to achieve because the game is more evolved but he shouldnt take away from jinro. Is like saying fruitdealer wasnt a GSL champion because things were "easier" back then, even though you could argue they werent for zerg because of the maps. Jinro made it to the RO4 twice until Naniwa does that Jinro stil has gotten further in the GSL.
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On July 05 2012 02:16 Mylin wrote: Seems about as insecure as a teenage girl.
Randomly bringing up a comparison with Jinros achievements just oozes bad confidence.
Thanks, armchair psychologist.
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On July 05 2012 00:29 Apolo wrote:Show nested quote +Parting is the only player who practised with me. I am extremely grateful to Parting and want to thank many people on the ladder. Forever alone? :/ How come no one else practices with him ? :|
Maybe cuz he's BM? Someone should ask him
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On July 05 2012 02:07 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:55 BlackGosu wrote: naniwa is infinitely better than jinro, if you guys cant grasp that. might as well say fruitdealer is still top 10, because he won GSL1
FACPALM Doesn't matter. Jinro made Round of 4 twice--- regardless of whether or not NaNiwa is better than him, the fact is he wasn't at that time. Even if he is "better than he was now", that does not take away from Jinro's achievements in the GSL still trumping NaNiwa's currently. Plus, NaNiwa never directly qualified for Code A/S--- he received seeds, and I'm pretty sure Jinro qualified through the preliminary system they had when he first played in the GSL during Season 3. The people in the Code A qualifiers are very good--- and even some of the best Code S caliber players have a hard time getting back into the GSL (CoCa, DRG for instance). Without those seeds, it's not a given that NaNiwa would still be in Code S (perhaps he gets knocked out in prelims, or in the Code A stages), but it's also not a given that he wouldn't still be where he is at.
This whole debate seems pretty pointless to me. The game and GSL have change so much since Jinro's appearances in the GSL it's impossible to compare the two.
You could argue all day about who was more impressive. You can talk about how Jinro qualified through Code A. You can talk about how GSL was organized differently when Jinro played. You can argue Jinro played during a period where Terrans still had all sorts of crazy advantages, and the games were being played on shit maps.
To me, Jinro was a pioneer. He was a foreigner making a big splash in Korea and paving the way for other foreigners to get in via seedings (as Naniwa and Thorzain did). Naniwa is the second stage of that. Now that the game has stabilized somewhat (David Kim's patching might honestly show otherwise) and players are more consistent (no more bit-by-bits) he's doing incredible things now that the game's talent level has risen.
They don't need to be compared. They played in entirely different eras and their achievements mean different things due to when they played. It's like comparing NBA/ABA player point totals before and after 3-pointers were added to the game of basketball.
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On July 05 2012 02:16 zeratul_jf wrote: I think his achievements were harder to achieve because the game is more evolved but he shouldnt take away from jinro. Is like saying fruitdealer wasnt a GSL champion because things were "easier" back then, even though you could argue they werent for zerg because of the maps. Jinro made it to the RO4 twice until Naniwa does that Jinro stil has gotten further in the GSL.
He isn't taking away from Jinro's achievements, he's just saying that the metagame was less developed back in the day and now that things have mostly stabilized, only the really good terrans can get far. As an example, Jinro got through one round using mech against a befuddled MC and we never really see that anymore
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Don’t get where Naniwa gets off saying that his achievement is better than Jinro’s. 2 Ro4 >>>> 2 Ro8. Naniwa will always be a cocky ignorant kid.
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On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What the hell are you talking about? Of all the things he said in the interview you had to get all up in arms with that? lol
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Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish.
Sweden, fuck yeah! <3 you NaNi!
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On July 05 2012 02:16 Mylin wrote: Seems about as insecure as a teenage girl.
Randomly bringing up a comparison with Jinros achievements just oozes bad confidence. I think you're a prick. And possibly sexist.
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On July 05 2012 01:32 leveller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 00:35 Elsid wrote: Really think his comments about Jinro are quite tactless, Naniwa really does say stupid shit all the time :/ agreed that statement had 0 style but lets not judge answers based on korean questions, translated into english, answered by a swedish person in english, translated back to korean, then translated back to english again  This.
I don't think people should get so fired up over that comment. Naniwa seems to be very proud of being Swedish, and as such I don't think he would purposefully disrespect a progamer from his own country. We can't know for sure what was said, but I highly doubt that he was trying to discredit Jinro's achievement.
Sure, Naniwa says some weird stuff sometimes but I don't think this particular statements was meant as hostile in any way.
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On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance?
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After reading nanis interview I really didn't expect the community to get so heated up about a comment about jinro that is a) probably true and b) was 100% not said that way, this is an interview in korean with a swedish guy speaking english(though sweds have the sickest english of any non english speaking country ever) which was translated back and forth.
naniwa fighting another foreigner making ro4 would be so sick, and right now I feel like he is the only one capable of doing so.
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On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?
Why is being proud of your birthplace bad, and what does TL being international have to do with anything?
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On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?
Okay now this is getting a little ridiculous, why can't be patriotic without criticism? Is this a TL thing?
EDIT: probably a troll now I think of it.
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Loool the moment I saw Jinro mentioned I knew this thread was going to explode. What he said is the truth, get over it. I don't even like Naniwa very much (except his play which is great) but come on guys.
And btw - why isn't he allowed to be proud of the nation that he grew up in, the one that gave him the oppurtunities to do what he does today? I agree that being born somewhere doesn't mean anything, but that doesn't take away from what Sweden probably contributed to his life experiences.
These forums really are full of very strange people.
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I sometimes wonder whether Naniwa anticipates the backlash he invites through his various controversial comments. Like, does he think "Yeah, TL's gonna tear itself apart over this one!" while answering the question, or does he simply say whatever comes to mind, and only later realizes "Maybe that wasn't such a good idea.".
I'd place my bet on the latter, he doesn't give off the impression of a mastermind spin-doctor.
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Naniwa is such a character, never know what you get out of him!
Hope he doesnt change ^^
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I can't believe people are criticizing him for being proud of being Swedish, rofl. Is this some kind of joke..........Get a life, seriously.
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On July 05 2012 02:52 Toadvine wrote: I sometimes wonder whether Naniwa anticipates the backlash he invites through his various controversial comments. Like, does he think "Yeah, TL's gonna tear itself apart over this one!" while answering the question, or does he simply say whatever comes to mind, and only later realizes "Maybe that wasn't such a good idea.".
I'd place my bet on the latter, he doesn't give off the impression of a mastermind spin-doctor. Hes more like the latter and when he sees the hate on him on TL, he always says on his twitter that he doesnt care about the opinion of international fans, and his only important fans are the swedish ones
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On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance? I understand how you feel since you are from Belgium which is not a real country.
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SWEDEN!!! I'm proud of Naniwa! It's awesome that a foreigner makes it far in the gsl again on a consistent basis. I usually root for foreigners, but Naniwa being swedish is the reason I'd root for him over any other player. Gogo Nani!!!
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I love Naniwa's interviews.
You guys are trying way too hard to find something to hate about him, just be glad his months ( almost year now ) of hard work in Korea is paying off!
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On July 05 2012 01:48 Sif_ wrote: I just simply don't agree with the statement that one must "keep up" with their achievment for it to have any value after some time.
How about Pelé being the king of soccer? He did what he did in the 60s, soccer nowadays is light years ahead of what it was, in terms of player conditioning and whatnot. Even the ball sucked back then.
This, it was most likely as tough for Jinro to make it to Ro. 4 back then as it is now for Naniwa.
If things were easier back then, sure Naniwa would have been there with Jinro then?
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On July 05 2012 03:01 GoSuChicken wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 02:52 Toadvine wrote: I sometimes wonder whether Naniwa anticipates the backlash he invites through his various controversial comments. Like, does he think "Yeah, TL's gonna tear itself apart over this one!" while answering the question, or does he simply say whatever comes to mind, and only later realizes "Maybe that wasn't such a good idea.".
I'd place my bet on the latter, he doesn't give off the impression of a mastermind spin-doctor. Hes more like the latter and when he sees the hate on him on TL, he always says on his twitter that he doesnt care about the opinion of international fans, and his only important fans are the swedish ones  If you're gonna say something like that you need to show some proof.
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IS CREATOR THE NEW BONJWAAA?
Loljk.
Naniwa hwaiting!
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Naniwa is such a fucking boss. massive respect. haters are gonna hate, but he keeps pushing through the BS that the sc2 community gives him and at the end of the days he realizes that its just his results that matter at the end of the day and not what people write about him on forums etc.
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On July 05 2012 02:17 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 02:16 Mylin wrote: Seems about as insecure as a teenage girl.
Randomly bringing up a comparison with Jinros achievements just oozes bad confidence. Thanks, armchair psychologist. To be fair, psychologists actually do sit in armchairs. :p
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naniwa's right though. jinro is pretty bad now, compared to any achievements he'd had. that doesn't just happen while stay active unless the competition increases massively. Sure, it's an achievement, and a pretty big one, but it's WAY harder to advance in code S these days, just due to how much more there is to study and how much easier it is to fall out of Code S.
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Thanks for the interviews.
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"Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish."
I love this. He knows that there will always be a lot of haters out there but that the big clunk of swedes will be loyal and proud of him. Better to acknowledge that which he does oh so often.
And yes Naniwa: WE ARE PROUD OF YOU!
Any weird answers in the intervju in the world wouldn't change that fact.
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Grrr was hoping nani wouldn't make it to ro8. Hope he gets smashed ro8 again. Liked keens interview thanks.
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I saw the amount of posts in this thread before watching the games and immediately thought noooooooo naniwa must have won. and I was right, shit
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On July 05 2012 03:49 kimchikid wrote: "Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish."
I love this. He knows that there will always be a lot of haters out there but that the big clunk of swedes will be loyal and proud of him. Better to acknowledge that which he does oh so often.
And yes Naniwa: WE ARE PROUD OF YOU!
Any weird answers in the intervju in the world wouldn't change that fact. i also like this part despite the fact that im not swedish. he is a good swedish Starcraft2 gamer, stephano is a good french Starcraft2 gamer and mvp is a good korean Starcraft2 gamer. Time to stop this Korea vs the World shit.
Yeah, thinking twice, some of you may call this racist. Seperating the players by their homecountry. But isnt it more racist to just do it with koreans? Suggestion to Nani: Maybe next time you should say something along the lines of "In first place im a good StarCraft2 player, not swedish or non-korean, simply one of the best in the world. Havent i proven this with my results by now?"
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On July 05 2012 03:04 cellblock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote:On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance? I understand how you feel since you are from Belgium which is not a real country. So instead of actually discussing you went to something that i think is supposed to be an insult.
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On July 05 2012 04:04 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:04 cellblock wrote:On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote:On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance? I understand how you feel since you are from Belgium which is not a real country. So instead of actually discussing you went to something that i think is supposed to be an insult. I suppose it was a joke, because as you might know: Belgium is actually a real country 
I think his point was if you really think that the nation doesn´t matter at all why did you put it in your Profile? Every athlet in every sport is a representative of his country, just look at the TLPD on the right. At Olympics every nation enters the stadium at the beginning behind their flag.
I honestly don´t understand why there is a (small) outcry if one athlet says he is proud being Swedish.
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I love that NaNiwa is making it be about him as a Swede instead of a foreigner. Everyone gets too hung up on the Korea/Foreigner dichotomy.
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On July 05 2012 04:04 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:04 cellblock wrote:On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote:On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance? I understand how you feel since you are from Belgium which is not a real country. So instead of actually discussing you went to something that i think is supposed to be an insult. Made m smile. I woulda I woulda laughed if he had instead said "ell everyone knows that Belgium is just a type of waffle, not a real country" or something to that effect
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On July 05 2012 04:12 Hondelul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:04 Assirra wrote:On July 05 2012 03:04 cellblock wrote:On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote:On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance? I understand how you feel since you are from Belgium which is not a real country. So instead of actually discussing you went to something that i think is supposed to be an insult. I suppose it was a joke, because as you might know: Belgium is actually a real country  I think his point was if you really think that the nation doesn´t matter at all why did you put it in your Profile? Every athlet in every sport is a represant of his country, just look at the TLPD on the right. At Olympics every nation enters the stadium at the beginning behind their flag. I honestly don´t understand why there is a (small) outcry if one athlet says he is prowed being Swedish. Well the reason it is in my profile is because i want it complete? Also, i don't mind him saying it all, i never commented on it in the start. I just replied why i found and will always find it silly to be "proud to be x" when you did zero work on it. Btw representing your country (something you worked for with blood/sweat and tears) and being proud to be x is a completely different concept.
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Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I like to say that it is quite difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. Westerners are more adaptive. When you are new in Korea it is easy without knowing it that you insult them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they dont like to deal with you, it gets dangerous to be with you. As a new foreigner it is difficult to feel and understand these rules and cultural things. But after staying in Korea for more than a year or so you normally get a better chance to catch it better. So if the reason that the koreans in the same house dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani it can easily change in the future when he gets more experience in korean culture and they gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
My advice to Nani, go out drinking with them and be as humble as you can possibly be. Make silly jokes such as that you are so jealous about how many girlfriend the other guys have (always comes up). And tell them how much you like Samsung products. Never talk deep things if you dont know them 100%. Koreans dont care about such things.
Also want to add that I love Korea and Japan, but you need to learn to love it the hard way!
This was just speculation, take it for what it is.
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On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I always think that it is difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. It is VERY EASY when you are new in Korea to without knowing it insulting them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they might not like it, it gets anoying. After staying in Korea for more than a year a westerner might learn to understand that more. If the reason that koreans dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani than it can for sure change later when Nani gets more experience of korean culture and gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Naniwa spoke about this in an interview with RAKAKA, that he sometimes do things which are seen as wrong in Korea but he doesn't understand and people in Korea don't say what you've done wrong to your face. So sometimes he doesn't understand what he's done and people can be pissed off without telling him whats bothering them. And that most Koreans aren't as forgiving any longer either, since he's been there for 6 months now so they expect him to understand the norms and their culture.
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What a bold interview by Naniwa. I hope he hasn't forgotten that Jinro actually made consecutive Ro4 appearances in the GSL, while Naniwa only has consecutive Ro8 appearances. Yes it's true the level of competition is exponentially greater than it was back in 2010, but Jinro had plenty of challenges to face that Naniwa did not. If Naniwa makes the finals then we can definitely say Naniwa is the most accomplished foreigner.
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Also, rather than the fact that I’m a foreigner in Korea, I’m more proud of the fact that I’m Swedish. hellz yeah, i support this all the way. its refreshing to see some honest-to-god patriotism nowadays when everyone is so scared to say anything that might seem even the slightest bit nationalist. imo he represents his country very well in the SC scene, along with the other baller Swedish players.
In my opinion, the two strongest foreigners are myself and Stephano. he'll probably get crap for this, but it's true. there are a couple of other contenders out there, but him and Stephano are a step above for now. been discouraging a lot of up and comers (ten e-bucks to anyone who gets the reference)
gotta love Naniwa's confidence and his wear-my-heart-on-my-sleeve style.
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On July 05 2012 04:40 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I always think that it is difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. It is VERY EASY when you are new in Korea to without knowing it insulting them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they might not like it, it gets anoying. After staying in Korea for more than a year a westerner might learn to understand that more. If the reason that koreans dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani than it can for sure change later when Nani gets more experience of korean culture and gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Naniwa spoke about this in an interview with RAKAKA, that he sometimes do things which are seen as wrong in Korea but he doesn't understand and people in Korea don't say what you've done wrong to your face. So sometimes he doesn't understand what he's done and people can be pissed off without telling him whats bothering them. And that most Koreans aren't as forgiving any longer either, since he's been there for 6 months now so they expect him to understand the norms and their culture.
I am happy to hear that, that makes perfectly sense. I have been working as only foreigner in Korean company and same things happen to me and everybody else foreigners. So difficult cultures. But good thing is - IT CAN AND WILL CHANGE as he stays in Korea. To learn Korean is a very good thing to do.
Also: I edited and added some stuff in my post.
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Lots of angry people here, for [very] little reason. Be happy he's doing well.
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On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance?
Being proud of being smart or being athletic seems just as silly then, doesn't it?
I see no problem with being "proud," as in having a nice feeling about being a part of something larger, of your country. We can be proud of other groups we're in, right?
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On July 05 2012 04:50 kimchikid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:40 Eee wrote:On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I always think that it is difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. It is VERY EASY when you are new in Korea to without knowing it insulting them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they might not like it, it gets anoying. After staying in Korea for more than a year a westerner might learn to understand that more. If the reason that koreans dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani than it can for sure change later when Nani gets more experience of korean culture and gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Naniwa spoke about this in an interview with RAKAKA, that he sometimes do things which are seen as wrong in Korea but he doesn't understand and people in Korea don't say what you've done wrong to your face. So sometimes he doesn't understand what he's done and people can be pissed off without telling him whats bothering them. And that most Koreans aren't as forgiving any longer either, since he's been there for 6 months now so they expect him to understand the norms and their culture. I am happy to hear that, that makes perfectly sense. I have been working as only foreigner in Korean company and same things happen to me and everybody else foreigners. So difficult cultures. But good thing is - IT CAN AND WILL CHANGE as he stays in Korea. To learn Korean is a very good thing to do. Also: I edited and added some stuff in my post.
Thanks for the insight man. I'm going to Korea on business in a few months, and I'm quite worried about this kind of thing happening. What do you suggest?
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My favorite part was when they list who their practice partners were. Byun played with most of the top protoss in Korea and naniwa played with 1 person xD!
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<3 you nani!! To bad you couldn't find more practice partners and wish for more next round to beat the probable zerg.
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On July 05 2012 05:17 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:50 kimchikid wrote:On July 05 2012 04:40 Eee wrote:On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I always think that it is difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. It is VERY EASY when you are new in Korea to without knowing it insulting them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they might not like it, it gets anoying. After staying in Korea for more than a year a westerner might learn to understand that more. If the reason that koreans dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani than it can for sure change later when Nani gets more experience of korean culture and gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Naniwa spoke about this in an interview with RAKAKA, that he sometimes do things which are seen as wrong in Korea but he doesn't understand and people in Korea don't say what you've done wrong to your face. So sometimes he doesn't understand what he's done and people can be pissed off without telling him whats bothering them. And that most Koreans aren't as forgiving any longer either, since he's been there for 6 months now so they expect him to understand the norms and their culture. I am happy to hear that, that makes perfectly sense. I have been working as only foreigner in Korean company and same things happen to me and everybody else foreigners. So difficult cultures. But good thing is - IT CAN AND WILL CHANGE as he stays in Korea. To learn Korean is a very good thing to do. Also: I edited and added some stuff in my post. Thanks for the insight man. I'm going to Korea on business in a few months, and I'm quite worried about this kind of thing happening. What do you suggest?
Thanks man. Just going on business is not a problem, they dont expect you to know about their culture and they will treat you really well. But if you suceed in the business is a completly different thing. I could talk for hours about advices: - Trust advise and listen to your agents or local people if you have such. Even if you doubt them, believe it. - Be more humble than you thought was possible. Tell them that you are so happy to go and visit their fantastic factory and that you have so much to learn from them. Tell them their food is good even if it sucks (except for korean bbq). Tell them they make nice cars in Korea (only korean cars on the roads). - And in drinking time. Joke about so silly things as I wrote in previous post. - During meeting, If they dont say yes it usually means no, NEVER push out a answer by asking two times in usual western way. Then ask it again more informally on two man hand. - First time in Korea, dont expect to much from meetings, usually it is just getting to know each other first time. - When western think something shall be achieved in one year, koreans (and Japanese) thinks perhaps 3 years. They have much more patiente. - You could also talk about olympics (being brittish). Tell them that you are so impressed by the Koreans always winning gold in archery and of course in Taekwondo. And OF course taslk about starcraft. You can talk for hours about GSL with them, hopefully they follow it. - Koreans are quite boring people when not drinking and when you dont know them well - accept it! - Even if they can understand your hard brittish accent 95% of Koreans don't really understand what you mean anyways. Be aware of it and try to speak slowly and easy English, not so hard Brittish accent. - And tell them some truth as well, Korean women really beautiful, that you wish brittish women looked like that. They will answer "LELY" and you will say yes. They will say that they like curvy western girl and you have a nice converastion for 2 minutes about women which interests Korean men.
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good for Parting too. putting a teammate above the whole bias and controversy that kinda surrounds Naniwa. good on him
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On July 05 2012 03:00 AxionSteel wrote: I can't believe people are criticizing him for being proud of being Swedish, rofl. Is this some kind of joke..........Get a life, seriously.
Well in Sweden the norm is to hate yourself, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is porbably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm american but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years
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Quantic should think about their deal with ST if their player doesn't even get to practice with them, except Parting. As one of the best players in the house right now they should be wanting to practice with him, even if they don't like him. Wrong mentality in that house.
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On July 05 2012 05:31 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:00 AxionSteel wrote: I can't believe people are criticizing him for being proud of being Swedish, rofl. Is this some kind of joke..........Get a life, seriously. Well in Sweden the norm is to hate your ethnicity, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about Swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is probably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm American but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years
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On July 05 2012 05:32 CruelZeratul wrote: Quantic should think about their deal with ST if their player doesn't even get to practice with them, except Parting. As one of the best players in the house right now they should be wanting to practice with him, even if they don't like him. Wrong mentality in that house. Well at least its better than MVP/coL. However, Naniwa has in the past mentioned that Bomber/Hack/Squirtle/Tiger/Curious helped him practice a lot. Naniwa and Bomber played an insane amount of games together before Naniwas match against MVP last season, even though Bomber had his Code A match upcoming in a very short period of time. I think the connotative meaning of this statement might've been lost in translation, because Naniwa and SaSe are very often vocal about how good ST treats them.
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On July 05 2012 04:50 kimchikid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:40 Eee wrote:On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I always think that it is difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. It is VERY EASY when you are new in Korea to without knowing it insulting them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they might not like it, it gets anoying. After staying in Korea for more than a year a westerner might learn to understand that more. If the reason that koreans dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani than it can for sure change later when Nani gets more experience of korean culture and gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Naniwa spoke about this in an interview with RAKAKA, that he sometimes do things which are seen as wrong in Korea but he doesn't understand and people in Korea don't say what you've done wrong to your face. So sometimes he doesn't understand what he's done and people can be pissed off without telling him whats bothering them. And that most Koreans aren't as forgiving any longer either, since he's been there for 6 months now so they expect him to understand the norms and their culture. I am happy to hear that, that makes perfectly sense. I have been working as only foreigner in Korean company and same things happen to me and everybody else foreigners. So difficult cultures. But good thing is - IT CAN AND WILL CHANGE as he stays in Korea. To learn Korean is a very good thing to do. Also: I edited and added some stuff in my post.
This being Naniwa I'm not really sure being better understood will make him more likeable.
Maybe I'm unfair to him but ever since the WC3 days hes basically caused drama on every single team he ever joined.
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Can Naniwa not archon toilet?
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On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I like to say that it is quite difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. Westerners are more adaptive. When you are new in Korea it is easy without knowing it that you insult them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they dont like to deal with you, it gets dangerous to be with you. As a new foreigner it is difficult to feel and understand these rules and cultural things. But after staying in Korea for more than a year or so you normally get a better chance to catch it better. So if the reason that the koreans in the same house dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani it can easily change in the future when he gets more experience in korean culture and they gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
My advice to Nani, go out drinking with them and be as humble as you can possibly be. Make silly jokes such as that you are so jealous about how many girlfriend the other guys have (always comes up). And tell them how much you like Samsung products. Never talk deep things if you dont know them 100%. Koreans dont care about such things.
Also want to add that I love Korea and Japan, but you need to learn to love it the hard way!
This was just speculation, take it for what it is.
Sage advice. I had a Korean buddy my Freshman year in Calculus and one day he just stopped talking to me. Could never figure it out but I think it was when I went over to his house and him and his young wife cooked for my GF and I he asked me how food was and I just said okay, in private. Doesnt pay to be honest w/ them.
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Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D
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On July 05 2012 04:58 Zenbrez wrote: Lots of angry people here, for [very] little reason. Be happy he's doing well.
Yeah I don''t get it. But it's so great that with only ladder and parting practice was enough for Naniwa to reach Code S Ro8! Must feel so good for him
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On July 05 2012 05:43 Ollie wrote: Can Naniwa not archon toilet? Every single (Good) Protoss player agrees that the goal when playing PvZ is to end it midgame, during the roach phase/slightly before brood infestor. SaSe, Naniwa, Grubby and many Korean players have been vocal about this. You only win lategame against Zerg if the Zerg messes up, but if the Zerg plays perfectly and the Protoss does as well, the Protoss loses. It's an error in the design of ZvP matchup and it's well known.
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On July 05 2012 05:43 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani.
But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I like to say that it is quite difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. Westerners are more adaptive. When you are new in Korea it is easy without knowing it that you insult them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they dont like to deal with you, it gets dangerous to be with you. As a new foreigner it is difficult to feel and understand these rules and cultural things. But after staying in Korea for more than a year or so you normally get a better chance to catch it better. So if the reason that the koreans in the same house dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani it can easily change in the future when he gets more experience in korean culture and they gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society.
Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count.
Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner.
My advice to Nani, go out drinking with them and be as humble as you can possibly be. Make silly jokes such as that you are so jealous about how many girlfriend the other guys have (always comes up). And tell them how much you like Samsung products. Never talk deep things if you dont know them 100%. Koreans dont care about such things.
Also want to add that I love Korea and Japan, but you need to learn to love it the hard way!
This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Sage advice. I had a Korean buddy my Freshman year in Calculus and one day he just stopped talking to me. Could never figure it out but I think it was when I went over to his house and him and his young wife cooked for my GF and I he asked me how food was and I just said okay, in private. Doesnt pay to be honest w/ them.
Well, given that that's pretty rude even in Western culture... not that hard to imagine someone from Korea (or any Asian country really) would get offended by that.
It's really not that hard to get along with Korean/Japanese/Asian culture... just be polite and have proper manners. That will get you far in life both personally and professionally.
Would love to see how Naniwa does once he gets proper practice partners. I had thought he was just another overhyped foreigner, glad to see him proving me (and others) wrong.
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As much as I disagree with the jinro comment and the top 2 foreigner comment naniwa's interview was quite interesting. I wonder if he will ever realize that you have to put effort into the people side of the game if you want to succeed. If he had made some good relationships over there he would have more practice partners for a game, especially considering he is living in a gaming house with a full team of Koreans... Should just make an effort to learn the Korean culture a bit more after this season and try to repair some of the damage he thinks he might have caused or just get some relationships going.
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On July 05 2012 05:31 pellejohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 03:00 AxionSteel wrote: I can't believe people are criticizing him for being proud of being Swedish, rofl. Is this some kind of joke..........Get a life, seriously. Well in Sweden the norm is to hate yourself, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is porbably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm american but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years Why? :D
Swedish woman are beautiful, the land is beautiful, and some of their music is fun to listen to (And Sweden neutrality in history seems like something they should be proud of). I get that nationalism creates silly, unfounded opinions but I wouldn't want to live in nation where my neighbor and I hate everything about it.
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On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise  just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D
It's a shame Nani has made enemies (somehow) with the likes of MC, and it seems maybe MKP too (as MC made reference to Nani trolling them both on twitter).
If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further.
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On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise  just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself.
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On July 05 2012 05:55 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:31 pellejohnson wrote:On July 05 2012 03:00 AxionSteel wrote: I can't believe people are criticizing him for being proud of being Swedish, rofl. Is this some kind of joke..........Get a life, seriously. Well in Sweden the norm is to hate yourself, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is porbably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm american but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years Why? :D Swedish woman are beautiful, the land is beautiful, and some of their music is fun to listen to (And Sweden neutrality in history seems like something they should be proud of). I get that nationalism creates silly, unfounded opinions but I wouldn't want to live in nation where my neighbor and I hate everything about it.
Well tbh I don't know. I mean as an American I love my country even if I don't always agree with a lot of people and politicians and I feel the same about my new country. I feel that I get treated a lot better being an American than I would if I was a swede which is kind of odd
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On July 05 2012 06:24 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise  just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself.
"Further" - get more sponsorships, have a team which (according to Idra) isn't actively trying to get rid of him, be more appealing to the casual viewers who don't post so much and just like watching the antics of Tastosis/Husky/Day[9]/TB/MC/Incontrol and so on.
I can understand why fans follow him because he is just who he is, no bullshit.
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I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa.
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Damn as 2gd says.... naniwa is a PR magnet. People are making Mt. Everest out of an ant hill here. I like how in one interview he got so many people/issues fired up.
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Going through with only ladder and one practice partner is certainly a feat. Kudos to Naniwa.
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On July 05 2012 06:41 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:24 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise  just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself. "Further" - get more sponsorships, have a team which (according to Idra) isn't actively trying to get rid of him, be more appealing to the casual viewers who don't post so much and just like watching the antics of Tastosis/Husky/Day[9]/TB/MC/Incontrol and so on. I can understand why fans follow him because he is just who he is, no bullshit. I doubt Naniwa cares much about selling out. He just wants to compete, and he does that very well.
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So NaNi only practised with Parting? Sick!
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Grats to Naniwa for winning. Not one of my favorite players but I like how his hard work is paying off.
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I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about this. Achievements are context based so Nani isn't wrong in saying that he's outdone Jinro in terns of impressiveness.
The Kr/Foreigner gap was much lower back then and the GSL format was much less likely to weed out bad players resulting in a relatively easy path for his 2nd run (Only beat 1 opponent other than Idra and teamkilling MC iirc). Not to mention this was during the height of Terran imbalance (beat Idra on Steppes in ro8).
What was memorable about Jinro's feat was he showed a lot of the community that foreigners could compete at the highest level consistently when people were starting to realize that "Koreans own white dudes." Before his runs, Idra was probably the best foreigner in the world but he couldn't breach the elite of the GSL. He was a rallying point of fans of foreigners when it seemed more like the "elephant in the room" was starting to trample the people who didn't believe.
That's why Jinro's runs are significant to SC2 history not the actual challenge of it (not saying it wasn't incredibly hard then, it's just much harder now). Just like FD isn't remembered as an amazing champion who was always a contender to win, but that when the Terran machine was rolling over everything he came out of nowhere and not only prevented a TvT final but showed Zergs that winning was possible.
More on topic: thanks for the translations.
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On July 05 2012 06:50 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:41 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 06:24 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise  just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself. "Further" - get more sponsorships, have a team which (according to Idra) isn't actively trying to get rid of him, be more appealing to the casual viewers who don't post so much and just like watching the antics of Tastosis/Husky/Day[9]/TB/MC/Incontrol and so on. I can understand why fans follow him because he is just who he is, no bullshit. I doubt Naniwa cares much about selling out. He just wants to compete, and he does that very well. Nani is like opposite of sellout. I mean lets be honest, GSL is drug out like crazy - 2 months for about 45K up for grab if you win - WITH the best players in the world in it... odds are slim. Yet he chooses to make a go of it and forgo easy money in the West.
<3 nani for that. Stephano knows the odds and money and time commitment and wants no part of it.
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On July 05 2012 06:47 legaton wrote: I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa. I thought a bit about his comments since I first read them and after some thought I am pretty disappointed in them. What is the point of essentially calling Jinro out? That is why he has no practice partners I think. He could have said how it is one of the biggest things a foreigner has done and left it at that but felt the need to talk down about a very much loved player...
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Naniwa's good at his job of playing SC2.
Though he may sound cocky at times, as long as he backs it up with skill and wins, I don't mind his particular attitude. I think every competition should have that badass guy who may not be likeable entirely, but is very good.
I do hope Nani goes a long way. He really works hard in a foreign country setting to win a competition of the bests. And creds to good guy Parting, practicing with Naniwa.
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On July 05 2012 08:43 desarrisc wrote:Naniwa's good at his job of playing SC2. Though he may sound cocky at times, as long as he backs it up with skill and wins, I don't mind his particular attitude. I think every competition should have that badass guy who may not be likeable entirely, but is very good. I do hope Nani goes a long way. He really works hard in a foreign country setting to win a competition of the bests. And creds to good guy Parting, practicing with Naniwa. 
I have never been a huge Naniwa fan, but I still respect the guy's talent and determination. Of course, he may not have the greatest attitude out of the progamers, probably one of the worse ones, but many pro athletes have terrible personalities off the field.
Honestly, I don't see him as being overly cocky, especially in these interviews. He often mentions that he doesn't expect to advance deep in the GSL and he even admits that Mvp outplayed him last season. He simply recognizes his potential ability and has grown more and more comfortable with competing against the Koreans on their home turf; he doesn't have that foreigner defeatist mindset of practically giving up before the games even begin. I'm not saying that every foreigner has this approach, but it's undeniable that it exists.
Concerning the Parting comments, does this mean that Naniwa is blacklisted by the Koreans when it comes to practice partnering? I've heard Artosis, Idra, etc. refer to this before, but that was for BW iirc.
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On July 05 2012 06:47 legaton wrote: I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa.
Was it because he was French?
In past interview Naniwa expressed distrust of Koreans not on Startale. StarCraft is a very nationalistic thing and they appear to take it very seriously if there is any foreign threat to something Korea is dominant in.
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On July 05 2012 08:34 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:47 legaton wrote: I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa. I thought a bit about his comments since I first read them and after some thought I am pretty disappointed in them. What is the point of essentially calling Jinro out? That is why he has no practice partners I think. He could have said how it is one of the biggest things a foreigner has done and left it at that but felt the need to talk down about a very much loved player...
Naniwa has been known to be notoriously blunt, and I guess he just feels that he's accomplished more than Jinro (as of right now, I disagree, but his run isn't over yet, and he still has at least one more season in Code S). He felt that way, and just said it. Didn't feel compelled to censor himself in that opinion.
In the end, you can't dispute a winner's interview too much, because they won their matches. They did what they had to do, and thus they can trash-talk a bit if they want. Naniwa's winning, which is the most important thing.
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Awesome interview by both Byun and Nani. Impressed, thanks OP!
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How does one "counter multitasking" ? (naniwa interview)
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nice interviews! Naniwa's sparring partner seems to be parting which is a very very good protoss player. I hope he gets the practice he feels that he needs to play.
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Naniwa is a beautiful human.
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I hope naniwa isnt like fighting with the whole startale team and parting only one who agrees to practice. I hope there is no drama in the teamhouse
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Wow, so many Koreans practising with a match-fixer but Naniwa practises with ONE player... interesting.
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On July 05 2012 10:49 FeltFace wrote: Wow, so many Koreans practising with a match-fixer but Naniwa practises with ONE player... interesting. you make good jokes
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Couldn't care less about whose achievement was greater in GSL, I'm just enjoying another Swede making a consistent splash in GSL rather than being a one-hit wonder or one of those directly invited+instantly knocked out foreigners.
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creator #1 toss i like. so sad he didn't advance though ah well
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You know at least when Huk was doing well in GSL, he was always mannered and just stressed hard work and dedication...I used to not care that Naniwa was so BM and arrogant, but making nasty comments at someone for no reason in a winners interview is really uncalled for. Guy seems to get in altercations or dramas everywhere, its no wonder that he has trouble with teams and finding practice. Its one thing to be confident but to shit on others in the process really shows no class. Someday Naniwa is going to not do so well and it wouldnt surprise me to see sponsors bail on someone who is so unprofessional and rude. serious issues.......
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So confusing as to why everyone jumps on Nani.
Honestly, I would be surprised if nobody in this thread has talked down on Jinro before, and then hopped in here and got on Naniwa about it. Naniwa is honest, he always has been, I don't see how this is any different. He didn't say Jinro was bad, he said the GSL is harder.
It's like what he said with MVP, it's not that he (nani) played bad, but MVP played really well. This comment could honestly be taken as "It's not that Jinro is bad, the GSL just got harder." Imo at least.
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well Naniwa, why dont you tell us how you really feel??
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Glad Nani is considering learning some Korean, it always strikes me as odd that people move to foreign countries and refuse to learn the language, even just casually! I would jump at the chance. Khaldor could teach him!
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On July 05 2012 12:26 Alryk wrote: So confusing as to why everyone jumps on Nani.
Honestly, I would be surprised if nobody in this thread has talked down on Jinro before, and then hopped in here and got on Naniwa about it. Naniwa is honest, he always has been, I don't see how this is any different. He didn't say Jinro was bad, he said the GSL is harder.
It's like what he said with MVP, it's not that he (nani) played bad, but MVP played really well. This comment could honestly be taken as "It's not that Jinro is bad, the GSL just got harder." Imo at least. I have never talked shit about Jinro, especially after winning a SC2 match that he had nothing to do with. Still yet to face Jinro in 4's! Naniwa made an unecessary rude comment about a fellow player. It is as simple as that. Btw I was cheering for him to win last round so Im not a hater.
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On July 05 2012 12:50 BathTubNZ wrote: Glad Nani is considering learning some Korean, it always strikes me as odd that people move to foreign countries and refuse to learn the language, even just casually! I would jump at the chance. Khaldor could teach him! I went to Japan and learned a few key phrases in the week i was there. Not sure how he can avoid learning everything really
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Everybody picking on our only foreign real hope is mind blowing.
I am glad Genius lost and didn't even made it 2nd. Take that!
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Let me restate this for those quick to have naniwa executed for his rudeness...
The questions were phrased in korean translated to english answered in english by a swedish person not speaking english as a first language translated the english answers back into korean then translated back into english again.
There is no way to know exactly what he meant with the Jinro comment, they are both swedish and Im sure naniwa didn't mean to say basically "yeah jinro got farther than me but on the other hand he is a little bitch who isnt fit to lick my boots". That doesn't even make sense, especially later when he stated he is proud to be swedish, one would assume he would be happy and respectful of Jinro's successes.
Swedes in GSL fighting!
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On July 05 2012 18:11 ceaRshaf wrote: Everybody picking on our only foreign real hope is mind blowing.
I am glad Genius lost and didn't even made it 2nd. Take that! How exactly is it mind blowing? Do people need to support someone that has the same skin color yet got nothing else in common?
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People are really overreacting to Naniwa's Jinro comment. I was rooting for Genius/Byun and I think Naniwa was totally outplayed that last game and should have been crushed (if genius had range..) so nobody can accuse me of being biased. His results ARE more impressive than Jinro's. The average skill level HAS increased. He didn't even bash Jinro, just brought it up.
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On July 05 2012 02:42 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:59 paintfive wrote:On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? What's wrong with loving your country? It is such a silly concept. "I am proud i got born on this part ground" How can you be proud on something you never done anything for and was completely chance?
On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?
Rofl, what is going on here? People really do try to complain about anything.
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