EPT[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS RO16 Group C - Page 5
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ramask2
Thailand1024 Posts
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:27 HaXXspetten wrote: Didn't mean it like that, just meant that independant thinking is a good thing, and I don't think patriotism should affect it. Just think it's a superior ideology, it's got nothing to do about being Swedish of course. ...and I've no idea where you heard it was illegal to raise flags, that's just silly. Most people don't really care if they're there or not, but there's nothing wrong with doing it. Yes, some frown upon it, but generally people are pretty indifferent about it. Why do people bitch when he is proud to be Swedish? You do realize the Koreans do this a lot right? A love for ones country to represent them is nothing to be going up in arms at | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On July 05 2012 00:37 Kiyo. wrote: What? They're true. I think almost everyone would agree that 2 Code S Ro8's now is a little more impressive then 2 Ro4's from over a year and a half ago. Nope. You just can't do that, and he should know better. That's like saying Boxer's achievements in BW mean nothing because they were so long ago when everyone was bad. Or, one of my favorites, when Jesse Owens pwnd Hitler's olympians in 1936. He didn't run as fast as Usain Bolt (nevermind they didn't even use starting blocks back then!), so his achievements obviously didn't matter. | ||
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:00 Assirra wrote: While that is true it is totally uncalled for and the interviewer never mentioned , he just flapped it out. 'You are the only foreigner to reach Ro8 twice in a row-' Clearly the interviewer wanted to know Naniwa's thoughts on being the most successful foreigner in Korea atm, and possibly ever. It is totally expected for Naniwa to reference the current foreigner record for success in the GSL. Sure he put it a little bluntly, you'd have to be pretty overly sensitive to actually take any offense seeing as it's 100% true. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:15 RageBot wrote: Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion. And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon). No, it is in no way illegal, especially not on our national day. I dislike patriotism and wouldn't appreciate flag waving but having a flag on your house at a holiday or something is more than fine. A bit of patriotism is fine when it comes to trivial things, like sports and video games. Thus, I am happy that sweden is represented so strongly in the GSL by ballers like Jinro and Naniwa :D | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote: That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young. I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then. Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8? | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:39 Sif_ wrote: Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8? If the skill level raises dramatically, yes. This is likely with all the BW pros switching over. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:38 canikizu wrote: lol PartinG and Naniwa, sounds like a pair. Wonder who gives cocky attitude to who. They take turns obviously. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:33 AsymptoticClimax wrote: If the others sucked shouldn't have he sucked just as equally too? The game was new, most of the stuff wasn't even close to being figured out, so the disparity between players was so much greater. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
This is all gay code. + Show Spoiler + That's a Community reference, not homophobia ;0 | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:33 AsymptoticClimax wrote: If the others sucked shouldn't have he sucked just as equally too? That's true, my point is basically that there's been such a drastical skill increase since then that it's pretty much uncomparable. It's two different games. Same thing will happen if BW professionals get crazy good and take over the scene. Then perhaps 2 years from now, this achievement from NaNiwa won't matter at all unless he keeps up with them. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? | ||
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Emix_Squall
France705 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:39 Sif_ wrote: Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8? Can't tell if trolling or really stupid .... The difference is pretty obvious, the game wasn't as thought out 2 years ago as it is right now. There's no credit to take away from Jinro, he basically managed to be smarter (while still having top level mechanics) than most players in a time where mind games and creativity meant the most (IMO). Nowadays people value consistency over mind games and creativity because as everyone understands the game much better, it is only normal that everyone will tend to play it in the most efficient way (leading to very specific composition throughout an entire game). Creativity is still something great but it's not the kind of skills you are required to win in GSL any more, what you need now is a perfect understanding of the game (because everyone basically has it), perfect mechanics and of course a bit of genius (no bad play on words here  ) to make the difference.EDIT: I'm not saying creativity is now useless, just that it wouldn't be as efficient as it used to since people have had time to explore most of the game's possibilities. On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish? TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? /facepalm | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote: Naniwa is proud to be Swedish? TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he? Cause clearly, he was interview by the TL board members. He should have taken that into account. Nani so BM! | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
Thanks for the translations and gratz Naniwa. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
How about Pelé being the king of soccer? He did what he did in the 60s, soccer nowadays is light years ahead of what it was, in terms of player conditioning and whatnot. Even the ball sucked back then. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
Everyone tried their hardest back then. Out of all those players trying their hardest, coming up with builds, realizing things about the game, they were the best in the world; and Jinro was one of them. Do you take away someones sports trophy or medal when someone beats their record? Do you take away someones nobel prize when someone advances their theories? | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On July 05 2012 01:48 leveller wrote: It's ridiculous to say past achievements don't matter. Just on a personal note, I still love White-Ra for beating Idra back in the HDH finals in beta! Damn were those some exciting games... Everyone tried their hardest back then. Out of all those players trying their hardest, coming up with builds, realizing things about the game, they were the best in the world; and Jinro was one of them. Do you take away someones sports trophy or medal when someone beats their record? Do you take away someones nobel prize when someone advances their theories? Of course you do, just ask Nani and half of TL. | ||
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