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[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS RO16 Group C - Page 5

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ramask2
Profile Joined June 2011
Thailand1024 Posts
July 04 2012 16:34 GMT
#81
Naniwa is such a lightning rod to such comments lol. Any good interviewers will try to lure it out of him (or in this case, it just comes out by himself). I'm not bashing him, mind you. A little trash-talking is good for any sports.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
July 04 2012 16:35 GMT
#82
On July 05 2012 01:27 HaXXspetten wrote:
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On July 05 2012 01:15 RageBot wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:
On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/

we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else


Not sure if trolling.

honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad

Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion.

And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon).

Didn't mean it like that, just meant that independant thinking is a good thing, and I don't think patriotism should affect it. Just think it's a superior ideology, it's got nothing to do about being Swedish of course.

...and I've no idea where you heard it was illegal to raise flags, that's just silly. Most people don't really care if they're there or not, but there's nothing wrong with doing it. Yes, some frown upon it, but generally people are pretty indifferent about it.


Why do people bitch when he is proud to be Swedish? You do realize the Koreans do this a lot right? A love for ones country to represent them is nothing to be going up in arms at
troi oi thang map nai!!!
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
July 04 2012 16:37 GMT
#83
On July 05 2012 00:37 Kiyo. wrote:
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On July 05 2012 00:35 Elsid wrote:
Really think his comments about Jinro are quite tactless, Naniwa really does say stupid shit all the time :/


What? They're true. I think almost everyone would agree that 2 Code S Ro8's now is a little more impressive then 2 Ro4's from over a year and a half ago.


Nope. You just can't do that, and he should know better.

That's like saying Boxer's achievements in BW mean nothing because they were so long ago when everyone was bad. Or, one of my favorites, when Jesse Owens pwnd Hitler's olympians in 1936. He didn't run as fast as Usain Bolt (nevermind they didn't even use starting blocks back then!), so his achievements obviously didn't matter.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
July 04 2012 16:37 GMT
#84
Nani moved to the other side of the bracket now according to liquipedia!! :D I would say it's a good trade, considering how he would likely meet Symobl in RO4
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
July 04 2012 16:38 GMT
#85
On July 05 2012 01:00 Assirra wrote:
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On July 05 2012 00:57 nam nam wrote:
On July 05 2012 00:53 Dosey wrote:
On July 05 2012 00:23 Vardant wrote:
Only Parting practiced with Naniwa? That's kinda weird.

Not weird if you consider his.... different.... personality.

I mean the guy just basically insulted a fellow countryman and foreigner in his interview with absolutely no reason to...
How did he insult Jinro? Everyone knows that what he said is true.

While that is true it is totally uncalled for and the interviewer never mentioned , he just flapped it out.


'You are the only foreigner to reach Ro8 twice in a row-'

Clearly the interviewer wanted to know Naniwa's thoughts on being the most successful foreigner in Korea atm, and possibly ever. It is totally expected for Naniwa to reference the current foreigner record for success in the GSL. Sure he put it a little bluntly, you'd have to be pretty overly sensitive to actually take any offense seeing as it's 100% true.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
July 04 2012 16:38 GMT
#86
On July 05 2012 01:15 RageBot wrote:
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On July 05 2012 01:10 HaXXspetten wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:07 RageBot wrote:
On July 05 2012 00:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
i dont like the "im proud to be swedish"-stuff :/

we swedes arent patriotic, thats what makes us better than everyone else


Not sure if trolling.

honestly the total lack of patriotism feels pretty superior at times when you see so much crazy shit caused by it abroad

Thinking you're "superior" is racist/nationalistic, not just "patriotic", in my opinion.

And from what i've heard about anti-patriotism in Sweden, it seems like you guys took it way too far, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it forbidden to wear/show the Swedish flag, even during your national holiday? (not sure if it's illegal or just very frowned upon).


No, it is in no way illegal, especially not on our national day. I dislike patriotism and wouldn't appreciate flag waving but having a flag on your house at a holiday or something is more than fine.
A bit of patriotism is fine when it comes to trivial things, like sports and video games. Thus, I am happy that sweden is represented so strongly in the GSL by ballers like Jinro and Naniwa :D
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 04 2012 16:38 GMT
#87
lol PartinG and Naniwa, sounds like a pair. Wonder who gives cocky attitude to who.
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
July 04 2012 16:39 GMT
#88
On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:
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On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote:
ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa!


That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young.

I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.


Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8?
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 04 2012 16:41 GMT
#89
On July 05 2012 01:39 Sif_ wrote:
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On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote:
ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa!


That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young.

I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.


Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8?

If the skill level raises dramatically, yes. This is likely with all the BW pros switching over.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
July 04 2012 16:42 GMT
#90
On July 05 2012 01:38 canikizu wrote:
lol PartinG and Naniwa, sounds like a pair. Wonder who gives cocky attitude to who.

They take turns obviously.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
July 04 2012 16:42 GMT
#91
On July 05 2012 01:33 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
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On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote:
ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa!


That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young.

I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.


If the others sucked shouldn't have he sucked just as equally too?

The game was new, most of the stuff wasn't even close to being figured out, so the disparity between players was so much greater.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
July 04 2012 16:43 GMT
#92
On July 05 2012 01:42 Zane wrote:
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On July 05 2012 01:38 canikizu wrote:
lol PartinG and Naniwa, sounds like a pair. Wonder who gives cocky attitude to who.

They take turns obviously.


This is all gay code.

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That's a Community reference, not homophobia ;0
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
July 04 2012 16:43 GMT
#93
On July 05 2012 01:33 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote:
ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa!


That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young.

I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.


If the others sucked shouldn't have he sucked just as equally too?


That's true, my point is basically that there's been such a drastical skill increase since then that it's pretty much uncomparable. It's two different games.

Same thing will happen if BW professionals get crazy good and take over the scene. Then perhaps 2 years from now, this achievement from NaNiwa won't matter at all unless he keeps up with them.
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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
July 04 2012 16:45 GMT
#94
Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?

TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?
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Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 16:49:59
July 04 2012 16:46 GMT
#95
On July 05 2012 01:39 Sif_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 01:29 sd_andeh wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:26 Sif_ wrote:
ro8 still ain't no ro4 naniwa!


That's a stupid arguement considering how young the game was back when Jinro made ro4 and how much people sucked. You think FruitDealer is good? He won GSL back in the days, but one must keep in mind that the opponents he beat were worse than masters level in NA right now. I'm aware that this is a speculation but people really sucked back then as the game was so young.

I love Jinro and I'm Swedish as well but Jinro reaching ro4 back then is less of an achievement than winning a weekly cup nowadays. People are simply so much better now and sucked so bad back then.


Why is it a stupid argument? So in 2 years from now if a foreigner even gets into code S he achieved more than naniwa's ro8?


Can't tell if trolling or really stupid ....

The difference is pretty obvious, the game wasn't as thought out 2 years ago as it is right now. There's no credit to take away from Jinro, he basically managed to be smarter (while still having top level mechanics) than most players in a time where mind games and creativity meant the most (IMO).
Nowadays people value consistency over mind games and creativity because as everyone understands the game much better, it is only normal that everyone will tend to play it in the most efficient way (leading to very specific composition throughout an entire game). Creativity is still something great but it's not the kind of skills you are required to win in GSL any more, what you need now is a perfect understanding of the game (because everyone basically has it), perfect mechanics and of course a bit of genius (no bad play on words here ) to make the difference.

EDIT: I'm not saying creativity is now useless, just that it wouldn't be as efficient as it used to since people have had time to explore most of the game's possibilities.


On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote:
Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?

TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?


/facepalm
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 16:47:17
July 04 2012 16:47 GMT
#96
On July 05 2012 01:45 Aunvilgod wrote:
Naniwa is proud to be Swedish?

TL is one of the most international boards in the world and he starts with nationalism? He really steps into every mudhole he can find, doesn´t he?

Cause clearly, he was interview by the TL board members. He should have taken that into account. Nani so BM!
Hondelul
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1999 Posts
July 04 2012 16:48 GMT
#97
The answers are not polite but honest and I respect that. The Jinro part is no insult for me, you saw the same line numerous times on the forum, nothing bad in saying it out aloud.

Thanks for the translations and gratz Naniwa.
Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
July 04 2012 16:48 GMT
#98
I just simply don't agree with the statement that one must "keep up" with their achievment for it to have any value after some time.

How about Pelé being the king of soccer? He did what he did in the 60s, soccer nowadays is light years ahead of what it was, in terms of player conditioning and whatnot. Even the ball sucked back then.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
July 04 2012 16:48 GMT
#99
It's ridiculous to say past achievements don't matter. Just on a personal note, I still love White-Ra for beating Idra back in the HDH finals in beta! Damn were those some exciting games...

Everyone tried their hardest back then. Out of all those players trying their hardest, coming up with builds, realizing things about the game, they were the best in the world; and Jinro was one of them. Do you take away someones sports trophy or medal when someone beats their record? Do you take away someones nobel prize when someone advances their theories?
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
July 04 2012 16:54 GMT
#100
On July 05 2012 01:48 leveller wrote:
It's ridiculous to say past achievements don't matter. Just on a personal note, I still love White-Ra for beating Idra back in the HDH finals in beta! Damn were those some exciting games...

Everyone tried their hardest back then. Out of all those players trying their hardest, coming up with builds, realizing things about the game, they were the best in the world; and Jinro was one of them. Do you take away someones sports trophy or medal when someone beats their record? Do you take away someones nobel prize when someone advances their theories?


Of course you do, just ask Nani and half of TL.
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