EPT[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS RO16 Group C - Page 9
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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kimchikid
Sweden162 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:17 Trowa127 wrote: Thanks for the insight man. I'm going to Korea on business in a few months, and I'm quite worried about this kind of thing happening. What do you suggest? Thanks man. Just going on business is not a problem, they dont expect you to know about their culture and they will treat you really well. But if you suceed in the business is a completly different thing. I could talk for hours about advices: - Trust advise and listen to your agents or local people if you have such. Even if you doubt them, believe it. - Be more humble than you thought was possible. Tell them that you are so happy to go and visit their fantastic factory and that you have so much to learn from them. Tell them their food is good even if it sucks (except for korean bbq). Tell them they make nice cars in Korea (only korean cars on the roads). - And in drinking time. Joke about so silly things as I wrote in previous post. - During meeting, If they dont say yes it usually means no, NEVER push out a answer by asking two times in usual western way. Then ask it again more informally on two man hand. - First time in Korea, dont expect to much from meetings, usually it is just getting to know each other first time. - When western think something shall be achieved in one year, koreans (and Japanese) thinks perhaps 3 years. They have much more patiente. - You could also talk about olympics (being brittish). Tell them that you are so impressed by the Koreans always winning gold in archery and of course in Taekwondo. And OF course taslk about starcraft. You can talk for hours about GSL with them, hopefully they follow it. - Koreans are quite boring people when not drinking and when you dont know them well - accept it! - Even if they can understand your hard brittish accent 95% of Koreans don't really understand what you mean anyways. Be aware of it and try to speak slowly and easy English, not so hard Brittish accent. - And tell them some truth as well, Korean women really beautiful, that you wish brittish women looked like that. They will answer "LELY" and you will say yes. They will say that they like curvy western girl and you have a nice converastion for 2 minutes about women which interests Korean men. | ||
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
On July 05 2012 03:00 AxionSteel wrote: I can't believe people are criticizing him for being proud of being Swedish, rofl. Is this some kind of joke..........Get a life, seriously. Well in Sweden the norm is to hate yourself, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is porbably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm american but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:31 pellejohnson wrote: Well in Sweden the norm is to hate your ethnicity, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about Swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is probably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm American but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:32 CruelZeratul wrote: Quantic should think about their deal with ST if their player doesn't even get to practice with them, except Parting. As one of the best players in the house right now they should be wanting to practice with him, even if they don't like him. Wrong mentality in that house. Well at least its better than MVP/coL. However, Naniwa has in the past mentioned that Bomber/Hack/Squirtle/Tiger/Curious helped him practice a lot. Naniwa and Bomber played an insane amount of games together before Naniwas match against MVP last season, even though Bomber had his Code A match upcoming in a very short period of time. I think the connotative meaning of this statement might've been lost in translation, because Naniwa and SaSe are very often vocal about how good ST treats them. | ||
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:50 kimchikid wrote: I am happy to hear that, that makes perfectly sense. I have been working as only foreigner in Korean company and same things happen to me and everybody else foreigners. So difficult cultures. But good thing is - IT CAN AND WILL CHANGE as he stays in Korea. To learn Korean is a very good thing to do. Also: I edited and added some stuff in my post. This being Naniwa I'm not really sure being better understood will make him more likeable. Maybe I'm unfair to him but ever since the WC3 days hes basically caused drama on every single team he ever joined. | ||
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Ollie
United States144 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:37 kimchikid wrote: Nani being so honest about practising partners. After have stayed 3 years in Korea myself (and 2 years in Japan) and I happen to know a bit about that culture. I would like to speculate a but about it. It is might not so easy to know for sure why this happens, even for Nani. But here are a few things to consider: Nani might be a bit to much for the koreans that they after some time have tended not to deal with him much at the moment. I like to say that it is quite difficult for westerners to deal with koreans but it is even harder for most koreans to understand western cultures. Westerners are more adaptive. When you are new in Korea it is easy without knowing it that you insult them and have them losing their face. If that happens a few times to often they dont like to deal with you, it gets dangerous to be with you. As a new foreigner it is difficult to feel and understand these rules and cultural things. But after staying in Korea for more than a year or so you normally get a better chance to catch it better. So if the reason that the koreans in the same house dont want to practise with him due to that they find it difficult to deal with Nani it can easily change in the future when he gets more experience in korean culture and they gets to know them better. But since korean (and Japanese) culture is sooo difficult you can really never completely understand it and will never be fully accepted in the society. Since koreans are extremely nationalistic I also dont want to rule out completely that they just dont want to help him because that he is a foreigner. It is difficult for me to judge how much team against team contra korea vs foreigners count. Also there are a few Koreans (and Japanese) that naturally has a easy time to understand western culture and thinking. I guess Parting is that kind of guy. He is not afraid of dealing with Nani and can understand what he really means this dangerous westerner. My advice to Nani, go out drinking with them and be as humble as you can possibly be. Make silly jokes such as that you are so jealous about how many girlfriend the other guys have (always comes up). And tell them how much you like Samsung products. Never talk deep things if you dont know them 100%. Koreans dont care about such things. Also want to add that I love Korea and Japan, but you need to learn to love it the hard way! This was just speculation, take it for what it is. Sage advice. I had a Korean buddy my Freshman year in Calculus and one day he just stopped talking to me. Could never figure it out but I think it was when I went over to his house and him and his young wife cooked for my GF and I he asked me how food was and I just said okay, in private. Doesnt pay to be honest w/ them. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
 just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On July 05 2012 04:58 Zenbrez wrote: Lots of angry people here, for [very] little reason. Be happy he's doing well. Yeah I don''t get it. But it's so great that with only ladder and parting practice was enough for Naniwa to reach Code S Ro8! Must feel so good for him  | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:43 Ollie wrote: Can Naniwa not archon toilet? Every single (Good) Protoss player agrees that the goal when playing PvZ is to end it midgame, during the roach phase/slightly before brood infestor. SaSe, Naniwa, Grubby and many Korean players have been vocal about this. You only win lategame against Zerg if the Zerg messes up, but if the Zerg plays perfectly and the Protoss does as well, the Protoss loses. It's an error in the design of ZvP matchup and it's well known. | ||
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heraclos
Taiwan38 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:43 tdt wrote: Sage advice. I had a Korean buddy my Freshman year in Calculus and one day he just stopped talking to me. Could never figure it out but I think it was when I went over to his house and him and his young wife cooked for my GF and I he asked me how food was and I just said okay, in private. Doesnt pay to be honest w/ them. Well, given that that's pretty rude even in Western culture... not that hard to imagine someone from Korea (or any Asian country really) would get offended by that. It's really not that hard to get along with Korean/Japanese/Asian culture... just be polite and have proper manners. That will get you far in life both personally and professionally. Would love to see how Naniwa does once he gets proper practice partners. I had thought he was just another overhyped foreigner, glad to see him proving me (and others) wrong. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:31 pellejohnson wrote: Well in Sweden the norm is to hate yourself, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is porbably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm american but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years Why? :D Swedish woman are beautiful, the land is beautiful, and some of their music is fun to listen to (And Sweden neutrality in history seems like something they should be proud of). I get that nationalism creates silly, unfounded opinions but I wouldn't want to live in nation where my neighbor and I hate everything about it. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote: Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :DIt's a shame Nani has made enemies (somehow) with the likes of MC, and it seems maybe MKP too (as MC made reference to Nani trolling them both on twitter). If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote: If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself. | ||
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