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On July 05 2012 05:55 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:31 pellejohnson wrote:On July 05 2012 03:00 AxionSteel wrote:
I can't believe people are criticizing him for being proud of being Swedish, rofl. Is this some kind of joke..........Get a life, seriously. Well in Sweden the norm is to hate yourself, your culture and your country ( even the politicians say bad things about swedish culture) also it's considered racism to be proud of your country that is porbably why a lot of swedes and other people are upset. Yes I'm american but I have lived in Sweden now for the last 6 years Why? :D Swedish woman are beautiful, the land is beautiful, and some of their music is fun to listen to (And Sweden neutrality in history seems like something they should be proud of). I get that nationalism creates silly, unfounded opinions but I wouldn't want to live in nation where my neighbor and I hate everything about it.
Well tbh I don't know. I mean as an American I love my country even if I don't always agree with a lot of people and politicians and I feel the same about my new country. I feel that I get treated a lot better being an American than I would if I was a swede which is kind of odd
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On July 05 2012 06:24 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise  just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself.
"Further" - get more sponsorships, have a team which (according to Idra) isn't actively trying to get rid of him, be more appealing to the casual viewers who don't post so much and just like watching the antics of Tastosis/Husky/Day[9]/TB/MC/Incontrol and so on.
I can understand why fans follow him because he is just who he is, no bullshit.
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I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa.
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Damn as 2gd says.... naniwa is a PR magnet. People are making Mt. Everest out of an ant hill here. I like how in one interview he got so many people/issues fired up.
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WigglingSquid
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Going through with only ladder and one practice partner is certainly a feat. Kudos to Naniwa.
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On July 05 2012 06:41 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:24 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself. "Further" - get more sponsorships, have a team which (according to Idra) isn't actively trying to get rid of him, be more appealing to the casual viewers who don't post so much and just like watching the antics of Tastosis/Husky/Day[9]/TB/MC/Incontrol and so on. I can understand why fans follow him because he is just who he is, no bullshit.
I doubt Naniwa cares much about selling out. He just wants to compete, and he does that very well.
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So NaNi only practised with Parting? Sick!
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Grats to Naniwa for winning. Not one of my favorite players but I like how his hard work is paying off.
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I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about this. Achievements are context based so Nani isn't wrong in saying that he's outdone Jinro in terns of impressiveness.
The Kr/Foreigner gap was much lower back then and the GSL format was much less likely to weed out bad players resulting in a relatively easy path for his 2nd run (Only beat 1 opponent other than Idra and teamkilling MC iirc). Not to mention this was during the height of Terran imbalance (beat Idra on Steppes in ro8).
What was memorable about Jinro's feat was he showed a lot of the community that foreigners could compete at the highest level consistently when people were starting to realize that "Koreans own white dudes." Before his runs, Idra was probably the best foreigner in the world but he couldn't breach the elite of the GSL. He was a rallying point of fans of foreigners when it seemed more like the "elephant in the room" was starting to trample the people who didn't believe.
That's why Jinro's runs are significant to SC2 history not the actual challenge of it (not saying it wasn't incredibly hard then, it's just much harder now). Just like FD isn't remembered as an amazing champion who was always a contender to win, but that when the Terran machine was rolling over everything he came out of nowhere and not only prevented a TvT final but showed Zergs that winning was possible.
More on topic: thanks for the translations.
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On July 05 2012 06:50 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:41 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 06:24 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 05 2012 05:58 SeaSwift wrote:On July 05 2012 05:46 leveller wrote:Haha having had an asian girlfriend for several years now makes me understand this a lot more than I would have otherwise just different cultures but there are some (like parting) who will accept you for who you are and the other koreans will follow eventually just send them to homestory cup one by one and they will see :D If he had the media personality of MC or Incontrol combined with his skill and foreigner status he could go a lot further. Really? I'd rather have Naniwa be himself. "Further" - get more sponsorships, have a team which (according to Idra) isn't actively trying to get rid of him, be more appealing to the casual viewers who don't post so much and just like watching the antics of Tastosis/Husky/Day[9]/TB/MC/Incontrol and so on. I can understand why fans follow him because he is just who he is, no bullshit. I doubt Naniwa cares much about selling out. He just wants to compete, and he does that very well.
Nani is like opposite of sellout. I mean lets be honest, GSL is drug out like crazy - 2 months for about 45K up for grab if you win - WITH the best players in the world in it... odds are slim. Yet he chooses to make a go of it and forgo easy money in the West.
<3 nani for that. Stephano knows the odds and money and time commitment and wants no part of it.
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On July 05 2012 06:47 legaton wrote:
I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa.
I thought a bit about his comments since I first read them and after some thought I am pretty disappointed in them. What is the point of essentially calling Jinro out? That is why he has no practice partners I think. He could have said how it is one of the biggest things a foreigner has done and left it at that but felt the need to talk down about a very much loved player...
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Naniwa's good at his job of playing SC2.
Though he may sound cocky at times, as long as he backs it up with skill and wins, I don't mind his particular attitude. I think every competition should have that badass guy who may not be likeable entirely, but is very good.
I do hope Nani goes a long way. He really works hard in a foreign country setting to win a competition of the bests. And creds to good guy Parting, practicing with Naniwa. 
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On July 05 2012 08:43 desarrisc wrote:Naniwa's good at his job of playing SC2. Though he may sound cocky at times, as long as he backs it up with skill and wins, I don't mind his particular attitude. I think every competition should have that badass guy who may not be likeable entirely, but is very good. I do hope Nani goes a long way. He really works hard in a foreign country setting to win a competition of the bests. And creds to good guy Parting, practicing with Naniwa.
I have never been a huge Naniwa fan, but I still respect the guy's talent and determination. Of course, he may not have the greatest attitude out of the progamers, probably one of the worse ones, but many pro athletes have terrible personalities off the field.
Honestly, I don't see him as being overly cocky, especially in these interviews. He often mentions that he doesn't expect to advance deep in the GSL and he even admits that Mvp outplayed him last season. He simply recognizes his potential ability and has grown more and more comfortable with competing against the Koreans on their home turf; he doesn't have that foreigner defeatist mindset of practically giving up before the games even begin. I'm not saying that every foreigner has this approach, but it's undeniable that it exists.
Concerning the Parting comments, does this mean that Naniwa is blacklisted by the Koreans when it comes to practice partnering? I've heard Artosis, Idra, etc. refer to this before, but that was for BW iirc.
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On July 05 2012 06:47 legaton wrote:
I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa.
Was it because he was French?
In past interview Naniwa expressed distrust of Koreans not on Startale. StarCraft is a very nationalistic thing and they appear to take it very seriously if there is any foreign threat to something Korea is dominant in.
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On July 05 2012 08:34 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:47 legaton wrote:
I think nobody criticizes naniwa for being proud of being swedish (even is chauvinism is laughable in all its forms), but most of the time, people expects a certain behaviour from top athletes. As the saying goes: humble in victory and gracious in defeat. When Naniwa loses, he just sounds paranoid in his interviews. And when he wins, he sounds... well... like a dick. And not the good kind of dick. Stephano may often sound like one, but i was happy to offer him a drink at the Meltdown. I don't get the same vibe from naniwa. I thought a bit about his comments since I first read them and after some thought I am pretty disappointed in them. What is the point of essentially calling Jinro out? That is why he has no practice partners I think. He could have said how it is one of the biggest things a foreigner has done and left it at that but felt the need to talk down about a very much loved player...
Naniwa has been known to be notoriously blunt, and I guess he just feels that he's accomplished more than Jinro (as of right now, I disagree, but his run isn't over yet, and he still has at least one more season in Code S). He felt that way, and just said it. Didn't feel compelled to censor himself in that opinion.
In the end, you can't dispute a winner's interview too much, because they won their matches. They did what they had to do, and thus they can trash-talk a bit if they want. Naniwa's winning, which is the most important thing.
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Awesome interview by both Byun and Nani. Impressed, thanks OP!
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How does one "counter multitasking" ? (naniwa interview)
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nice interviews! Naniwa's sparring partner seems to be parting which is a very very good protoss player. I hope he gets the practice he feels that he needs to play.
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Naniwa is a beautiful human.
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I hope naniwa isnt like fighting with the whole startale team and parting only one who agrees to practice. I hope there is no drama in the teamhouse
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