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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:07 mec wrote: Could you make a graph with those games included? I'm just curious how it looks  139-196. so roughly 41 % T vs 59% for Z. edit: im too slow =( | ||
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mec
Sweden192 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:09 Falconblade wrote: Would be TvZ in Korea 139 - 196. Which is 41.5% T to 58.5% Z Thanks, well that should add some fuel on the fire. Terrans, go at it! | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:09 Falconblade wrote: Would be TvZ in Korea 139 - 196. Which is 41.5% T to 58.5% Z This should be added in the OP :/ That said, I still dont like these stats, 50% winrate are misleading since it doesnt reflect the content of the games, only the outcome. Having 50% winrates with only cheeses or 200supply 1a games isn't something Blizzard should be satisfied with. | ||
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NoDDiE
Poland170 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote: Game looks very balanced atm still thinking the same ? | ||
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:10 mec wrote: Thanks, well that should add some fuel on the fire. Terrans, go at it! Let the terran buffs rain! =D ... ... No? ... Darn. =[ | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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NoDDiE
Poland170 Posts
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pmp10
3390 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:01 Ctuchik wrote: That being said TLPD is flawed. If they counted Code A qualifiers and TSL qualifiers it would skew the winrates heavily in Zergs favor and both of those tournaments are much harder then the ESV tournament but neither is in the TLPD database. [/[/[/ Not sure about code A qualifiers (weren't they all in may anyway?) but KR TSL qualifier data is in international TLPD (due to this being international tournament - same story with homestorycup qualifiers). | ||
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Belgium927 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:19 pmp10 wrote: Not sure about code A qualifiers (weren't they all in may anyway?) but KR TSL qualifier data is in international TLPD (due to this being international tournament - same story with homestorycup qualifiers). It's still 99% Korean players in the TSL Kr qualies, so it gives useful data for how the game is working in Korea. | ||
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:19 playa wrote: How does tvp look good? I'm reading it wrong or something because it looks like Terran has the advantage every month. I mean, terran players whine even when it's clear they are favored. If they aren't crying non stop, then obviously something is horribly wrong. O, no, if the game goes to 50 minutes, I lose some of my advantage. Ptff. It has been said a ton of times already, but terrans are complaining about the bad late-game that terrans have in the match-up, also it is the most stale match-up ever. That in it self would make people complain about it. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:19 pmp10 wrote: Not sure about code A qualifiers (weren't they all in may anyway?) but KR TSL qualifier data is in international TLPD (due to this being international tournament - same story with homestorycup qualifiers). nvm, misread. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:22 Mehukannu wrote: It has been said a ton of times already, but terrans are complaining about the bad late-game that terrans have in the match-up, also it is the most stale match-up ever. That in it self would make people complain about it. If that's the case, then toss players need to start crying that it's impossible/hard to make it to the late game, because obviously that's either not happening that much or it's a bs premise to begin with. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
For example lets say you want to argue the 6 queen build is imbalance using data. You get 100 games that have a TvZ record of like 48-52 but of those games lets say 44 have the 6 queen build and lets say they went 30-14. Even that data isnt enough to prove anything because maps still play a role and who is playing in those games still play a role. So in order to see anything you would have to watch each game which sort of defeats purpose of this chart anyway. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:24 playa wrote: If that's the case, then toss players need to start crying that it's impossible/hard to make it to the late game, because obviously that's either not happening that much or it's a bs premise to begin with. Balance and bad design are two different things. Terrans are crying about TvP because of bad design. Sure we can get 50% win, but the matchup is just not interesting/fun to play on the terran side of things. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:24 playa wrote: If that's the case, then toss players need to start crying that it's impossible/hard to make it to the late game, because obviously that's either not happening that much or it's a bs premise to begin with. I think TvP is a stale matchup, but balance concerns arise out of the fact that at sub high-Masters level, the matchup is next to impossible because people either don't have the crispness of play (Protoss) or the APM to micro late (Terran). At the highest level, the matchup is completely fine. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
 ). But still they're not that much lower | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:27 DidYuhim wrote: There's a huge difference between tournaments and ladder matches. For those of you who still think ladder winrates matter. because clearly code a and osl qualifiers are ladder matches | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:09 Shiori wrote: Incomplete set of data. Everyone who plays this game regularly knows that TvZ is utterly Zerg favoured, and that PvZ is utterly Zerg favoured if the Toss doesn't all-in. You don't need a graph to show this. Just look at the way you must play the game. Everyone who read TL regularly knows that you are a whiner too... User was warned for this post | ||
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