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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:44 rysecake wrote: you don't seem to understand you cannot just look at a graph without seeing the sample size do you? A sample is a sample what do you want a million games? they do this each month and the sample size is about the same from Korea. So if you wanna disregard this month becuase it dont suit you beliefs you have to disregard every month. Its a real bad argument | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
personally i think terran has become too predictable, lacking viable options since they've all been nerfed. therefore terran is overly dependent on successful coinflips to get an advantage (or to NOT get a disadvantage). | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:47 Benjamin99 wrote: A sample is a sample what do you want a million games? they do this each month and the sample size is about the same from Korea. So if you wanna disregard this month becuase it dont suit you beliefs you have to disregard every month. Its a real bad argument Actually no the sample is not the same as before. We have different leagues to consider now, most notably proleague. | ||
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RUFinalBoss
United States266 Posts
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
They could well leave it alone since HotS is so close to being released. In fact, a heavily imbalanced matchup could even be a selling point for people to switch over, cynical as it may sound. | ||
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blamekilly
466 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:52 blamekilly wrote: there's no way that graph is correct. I remember seeing wwwaaaayyyy more Zerg wins than I did with Terrans. Where were these games taken from? You've seen all the games played in the graph? Pretty impressive man. | ||
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NoDDiE
Poland170 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:47 Benjamin99 wrote: A sample is a sample what do you want a million games? they do this each month and the sample size is about the same from Korea. So if you wanna disregard this month becuase it dont suit you beliefs you have to disregard every month. Its a real bad argument 1 game diffrence leading to 1% winrate diffrence is trustworthy sample size for you ? [kr] | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:50 RUFinalBoss wrote: idk how to read the graphs. help? 1. click on the link 2.choose which graph you wanna browse by clicking it 3. click "view original (1612px by 1033px) 4. click the picture with your mouse to zoom-in well at least that's how I inspect the graphs | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
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Ctuchik
Sweden91 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:53 IshinShishi wrote: I don't trust this OP considering his posts, where* is the guy that normally does this?Which games were considered here?GSL+GSTL post patch is showing terran being ravaged without soothing. Good on you for being skeptical, but these are indeed legit. =P You can always check my twitter for the originals. Here is the TVZ Korea data for reference: June TvZ: 58-56 GSL and GSTL TvZ: 29-32 Proleague TvZ: 3-6 Kespa Exhibition TvZ: 3-4 KSL Finals TvZ: 3-1 ESV Korean Weekly 5,6,7 TvZ: 20-13 | ||
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Ctuchik
Sweden91 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:59 Hypemeup wrote: Why is it hosted on that weird minus website? Whats wrong with imgur? Imgur upload was broken, still seems to be. =( | ||
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solidONE
United States160 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:01 Ctuchik wrote: Good on you for being skeptical, but these are indeed legit. =P You can always check my twitter for the originals. Here is the TVZ Korea data for reference: June TvZ: 58-56 GSL and GSTL TvZ: 29-32 Proleague TvZ: 3-6 Kespa Exhibition TvZ: 3-4 KSL Finals TvZ: 3-1 ESV Korean Weekly 5,6,7 TvZ: 20-13 That being said TLPD is flawed. If they counted Code A qualifiers and TSL qualifiers it would skew the winrates heavily in Zergs favor and both of those tournaments are much harder then the ESV tournament but neither is in the TLPD database. Todays OSL qualifiers won't be in the database either and those qualifiers were brutally hard. Code A qualifiers TvZ (not counting amateurs or teamless Koreans): 14-36 TSL4 KR qualifier #1 TvZ: 26-42 TSL4 KR qualifier #2 TvZ: 25-38 TSL4 KR qualifier #3 TvZ: 16-24 Thank you for posting the actual data. That graph is missing roughly another 200 games... not to mention the osl qualifiers | ||
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:01 Ctuchik wrote: Good on you for being skeptical, but these are indeed legit. =P You can always check my twitter for the originals. Here is the TVZ Korea data for reference: June TvZ: 58-56 GSL and GSTL TvZ: 29-32 Proleague TvZ: 3-6 Kespa Exhibition TvZ: 3-4 KSL Finals TvZ: 3-1 ESV Korean Weekly 5,6,7 TvZ: 20-13 That being said TLPD is flawed. If they counted Code A qualifiers and TSL qualifiers it would skew the winrates heavily in Zergs favor and both of those tournaments are much harder then the ESV tournament but neither is in the TLPD database. Todays OSL qualifiers won't be in the database either and those qualifiers were brutally hard. Code A qualifiers TvZ (not counting amateurs or teamless Koreans): 14-36 TSL4 KR qualifier #1 TvZ: 26-42 TSL4 KR qualifier #2 TvZ: 25-38 TSL4 KR qualifier #3 TvZ: 16-24 Soooo, ESV weekly is counted in your calculations that push TvZ winrates to Terran favored (apart from KSL the only Terran favored TvZ on your list), which is an online KR only tournament, but an online TSL4 KR only tournament isn't counted? That's pretty strange. Or Code A qualifiers? TLDR: Sod off OP, your claim is biased on poor reporting of graphical data that nitpicked incorrectly. | ||
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mec
Sweden192 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:01 Ctuchik wrote: Good on you for being skeptical, but these are indeed legit. =P You can always check my twitter for the originals. Here is the TVZ Korea data for reference: June TvZ: 58-56 GSL and GSTL TvZ: 29-32 Proleague TvZ: 3-6 Kespa Exhibition TvZ: 3-4 KSL Finals TvZ: 3-1 ESV Korean Weekly 5,6,7 TvZ: 20-13 That being said TLPD is flawed. If they counted Code A qualifiers and TSL qualifiers it would skew the winrates heavily in Zergs favor and both of those tournaments are much harder then the ESV tournament but neither is in the TLPD database. Todays OSL qualifiers won't be in the database either and those qualifiers were brutally hard. Code A qualifiers TvZ (not counting amateurs or teamless Koreans): 14-36 TSL4 KR qualifier #1 TvZ: 26-42 TSL4 KR qualifier #2 TvZ: 25-38 TSL4 KR qualifier #3 TvZ: 16-24 Could you make a graph with those games included? I'm just curious how it looks  | ||
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sjperera
Canada349 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:07 mec wrote: Could you make a graph with those games included? I'm just curious how it looks Would be TvZ in Korea 139 - 196. Which is 41.5% T to 58.5% Z | ||
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