EPT[June] win rates are now here! - Page 7
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:06 Falconblade wrote: Soooo, ESV weekly is counted in your calculations that push TvZ winrates to Terran favored (apart from KSL the only Terran favored TvZ on your list), which is an online KR only tournament, but an online TSL4 KR only tournament isn't counted? That's pretty strange. Or Code A qualifiers? TLDR: Sod off OP, your claim is biased on poor reporting of graphical data that nitpicked incorrectly. TLPD only counts ESV games starting from ro8. ESV has way more Terran participated in every week, and they got walkovers left and right. For example, We have Terran participants like Jjaki, theStC, Teaja, Ganzi, while the most notable Zerg participated were Leenock, Seal (who didn't show up and were walkovered), Life (who won that ESV) | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
Edit: Although I swore more terrans were losing, apparently the statistics are buggy? | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:28 Roggay wrote: Everyone who read TL regularly knows that you are a whiner too... Find me some professional Terrans (or honest Zergs) who think that TvZ isn't favouring Zerg right now. Besides, didn't you see the updated stats? Terran is at 41% if you factor those in. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:32 Shiori wrote: Find me some professional Terrans (or honest Zergs) who think that TvZ isn't favouring Zerg right now. Besides, didn't you see the updated stats? Terran is at 41% if you factor those in. Considering Zerg was at 39% just last month, that actually isn't too bad at all considering how much whine was going round. edit: I was expecting something like a 25% winrate for Terran to justify all the whine. Nope, turns out that when Terran goes below 45% for the first time in the race's entire history it is enough to justify a forum explosion. | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
last month: "look how imbalanced it is in Korea!" "The sample is too small and doesnt include all..." "Doesnt matter! Zerg imba!" "Look at the international graph, it got a bigger sample size and is pretty balanced" "International doesnt matter!" This month: "wtf Korea balanced... you must have made this up!" "its the same like every month..." "no you made it up and besides the sample size is too small and doesnt cover all tournaments!" "but last month you said...." "Shut up! Just look at international!" "but last month..." "Doesnt matter, zerg imba!" | ||
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
From a spectator view I loved TvZ before queen patch, but now it feels that the whole match-up has been dumbed down and it's just a bad match-up overall. Balanced or not? I don't want to take part in that, since it's not what concerns me most. | ||
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BlindKill
Australia1508 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
mlg kr open qualifier (41-41) mlg kr invite qualifier (25-19) ipl5 kr qualifier (11-11) which in itself results in 77-71 (52%) winrate for terran but then again, korean tlpd never included these kind of qualifiers, it was always gsl/gstl, korean weekly, ewm and now proleague | ||
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DougJDempsey
747 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:40 SeaSwift wrote: Considering Zerg was at 39% just last month, that actually isn't too bad at all considering how much whine was going round. edit: I was expecting something like a 25% winrate for Terran to justify all the whine. Nope, turns out that when Terran goes below 45% for the first time in the race's entire history it is enough to justify a forum explosion. .... Zerg was at 39% just last month? June? Please link me to the thread with that. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:42 BlindKill wrote: you got winrates by game time? That would be useful info Yeah, I'd love this. I reckon all non-mirror matchups would be heavily skewed. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:44 Digamma wrote: .... Zerg was at 39% just last month? June? Please link me to the thread with that. May. Last month before the month which just had stats released. Don't be facetious. edit: boy was I wrong. My bad, that was Terran xD | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
I dont think the list is complete when u just take random stuff...from one tourney and leave out other stuff, thats just not complete and makes for a poor list and should not be worth the effort (only worth it if u wanna fuck up other peoples perception....but who is that retarded?) | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote: Yeah, I'd love this. I reckon all non-mirror matchups would be heavily skewed. Yes, we need to take out those walkovers that I'm sure won't help that 41%. | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:41 Charon1979 wrote: This Thread is very interesting... last month: "look how imbalanced it is in Korea!" "The sample is too small and doesnt include all..." "Doesnt matter! Zerg imba!" "Look at the international graph, it got a bigger sample size and is pretty balanced" "International doesnt matter!" This month: "wtf Korea balanced... you must have made this up!" "its the same like every month..." "no you made it up and besides the sample size is too small and doesnt cover all tournaments!" "but last month you said...." "Shut up! Just look at international!" "but last month..." "Doesnt matter, zerg imba!" haha. Why stop at last month? Could have done this for the last year. | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
However I'm interested on how TvZ has been going to the last half a year. It seems they have been overnerfed, from one side from having either lategame weakened with the ghost nerf and from other side having their early game weakened by the queen range buff. It seems it's really hard to play terran against zerg, from all my offrace match ups, TvZ seems the hardest. Zerg gets their creep across all the map, gets early broodlords and infestors and I can't pressure him because of the queens. While going macro doesn't look effective because late game is at zerg's favor while the ghost. Personally, I dislike those changes and think that at least one of them should be reverted for TvZ balance. Either ghost snipe being back or queen range going away. This is from a protoss player point of view though. | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:46 SeaSwift wrote: May. Last month before the month which just had stats released. Don't be facetious. You're reading it wrong -_- | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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platonichat
3 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:40 SeaSwift wrote: Considering Zerg was at 39% just last month, that actually isn't too bad at all considering how much whine was going round. edit: I was expecting something like a 25% winrate for Terran to justify all the whine. Nope, turns out that when Terran goes below 45% for the first time in the race's entire history it is enough to justify a forum explosion. Even forgetting about the fact that it was Terran at 39-41% last month, not Zerg, the fact that you expect a 25% winrate in TvZ in order to justify the MU being imbalanced shows you have no idea how this stuff works. This reddit post should be required reading for people to talk about these graphs. There is no way any race could get a 25% winrate especially not in the month after a change. | ||
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Warpish
834 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:50 Sent. wrote: Proxy barracks keeping Terrans in shape. Actually, I have seen a lot of proxy rax and 2 rax recently. In my opinion, this trend is develping again because Terrans try to avoid the late game. | ||
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