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NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
July 02 2012 14:32 GMT
#61
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?
One for the money , two for the show , straight to hell is where i go
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 14:35:41
July 02 2012 14:34 GMT
#62
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?

Matter infact acording to those winrates I cant recall seeing it so even ever
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Morphage
Profile Joined September 2011
France492 Posts
July 02 2012 14:34 GMT
#63
On July 02 2012 23:21 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
I always enjoy when people quote Korean Terrans on balance... I wonder why they're so upset, after 2 years of complete Terran dominance in which GomTV was GOMTVT it's no surprise that when the Zergs have a fighting chance, the games auto imbalanced. They're playing this game for money, they couldn't give a shit about whether they're biased or not, the more it favours them the more they can win.

So let us please stop quoting professional Korean Terran players going "it's so hard". Good, that's the idea of the game.


Lol, the game has been hard for terrans for a while now, if only Blizzard could do the same for zerg and protoss then us terrans would be happy. Just look at all the Blizzard WCS Nationals/Qualifiers + TSLs and look at the number of Terrans, not to mention all the good foreigner zergs/toss compared to good foreigner terrans. Zergs and Protoss sure have gotten better lol or maybe they're just easier to play, dunno which one seems more plausible ? xD
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
July 02 2012 14:35 GMT
#64
Looking pretty good balance wise. ZvT is scraping the edges though,which is a bit worrysome.
Cereal
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 02 2012 14:35 GMT
#65
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


you can't be serious lol...
The Notorious Winkles
NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
July 02 2012 14:37 GMT
#66
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


and ? korea : 100 games. 1 game = 1% not even worth watching unless it would be something ridiclous like 25-75

international zvt 55-45 for 2nd month. same as year ago for tvz. and in that time zerg were crying HEAVILY that t>>>>>>>>>>z.
also tvp : t > p mid game p > t late game. i woudlnt call it balance in terms of gameplay.
are you sure you aren't trolling ?
One for the money , two for the show , straight to hell is where i go
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 14:38:30
July 02 2012 14:37 GMT
#67
On July 02 2012 23:35 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


you can't be serious lol...


Explain to me where you see a matchup that looks unbalance in this graph. They are allmost at 50% in Korea if thats not a balanced game then i dont know what is?

On July 02 2012 23:37 NoDDiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


and ? korea : 100 games. 1 game = 1% not even worth watching unless it would be something ridiclous like 25-75

international zvt 55-45 for 2nd month. same as year ago for tvz. and in that time zerg were crying HEAVILY that t>>>>>>>>>>z.
also tvp : t > p mid game p > t late game. i woudlnt call it balance in terms of gameplay.
are you sure you aren't trolling ?


these are the stats from June like every other month
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
July 02 2012 14:37 GMT
#68
Good job blizzard, continue to improve balance and don't listen to whiners
znow1
Profile Joined January 2012
54 Posts
July 02 2012 14:38 GMT
#69
On July 02 2012 22:18 phodacbiet wrote:
Got it from twitter. But yeah PvZ looks pretty good actually, PvT is surprising as well with terran beginning to take the lead (what changed?).


protoss doesn´t know how to defend 2 base all ins
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 02 2012 14:38 GMT
#70
On July 02 2012 23:37 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:35 rysecake wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


you can't be serious lol...


Explain to me where you see a matchup that looks unbalance in this graph. They are allmost at 50% in Korea if thats not a balanced game then i dont know what is?


yes, i forgot about the graph, it's balanced i guess. Also forgot I'm speaking to a kid born in 99, so 13 yrs old? I recommend you major in statistics in a couple years.

User was warned for this post
The Notorious Winkles
NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
July 02 2012 14:39 GMT
#71
On July 02 2012 23:38 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:37 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:35 rysecake wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


you can't be serious lol...


Explain to me where you see a matchup that looks unbalance in this graph. They are allmost at 50% in Korea if thats not a balanced game then i dont know what is?


yes, i forgot about the graph, it's balanced i guess. Also forgot I'm speaking to a kid born in 99, so 13 yrs old? I recommend you major in statistics in a couple years.


+1 on 99 argument.

User was warned for this post
One for the money , two for the show , straight to hell is where i go
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 02 2012 14:41 GMT
#72
On July 02 2012 23:38 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:37 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:35 rysecake wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


you can't be serious lol...


Explain to me where you see a matchup that looks unbalance in this graph. They are allmost at 50% in Korea if thats not a balanced game then i dont know what is?


yes, i forgot about the graph, it's balanced i guess. Also forgot I'm speaking to a kid born in 99, so 13 yrs old? I recommend you major in statistics in a couple years.


Wow personal insults? So you pissed the game is not unbalance becuase in you mind it is? Btw reason why im called Benjamin99 got nothign todo with my age but the fact Benjamin wasnt available!

Whine more child
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 02 2012 14:42 GMT
#73
On July 02 2012 23:41 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:38 rysecake wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:37 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:35 rysecake wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


you can't be serious lol...


Explain to me where you see a matchup that looks unbalance in this graph. They are allmost at 50% in Korea if thats not a balanced game then i dont know what is?


yes, i forgot about the graph, it's balanced i guess. Also forgot I'm speaking to a kid born in 99, so 13 yrs old? I recommend you major in statistics in a couple years.


Wow personal insults? So you pissed the game is not unbalance becuase in you mind it is? Btw reason why im called Benjamin99 got nothign todo with my age but the fact Benjamin wasnt available!

Whine more child


Yes, you totally got me!
The Notorious Winkles
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 14:57:11
July 02 2012 14:43 GMT
#74
On July 02 2012 23:37 NoDDiE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


and ? korea : 100 games. 1 game = 1% not even worth watching unless it would be something ridiclous like 25-75

international zvt 55-45 for 2nd month. same as year ago for tvz. and in that time zerg were crying HEAVILY that t>>>>>>>>>>z.
also tvp : t > p mid game p > t late game. i woudlnt call it balance in terms of gameplay.
are you sure you aren't trolling ?

+ Show Spoiler +
The hell are you all on about. There were only 8 additional games in KR-May but it was 100% for Terrans to flip the fuck out all month?

NOW the chart is misleading? NOW it's unfair to cite the chart? NOW that it isn't helping your argument? I want you to walk away from the computer right now and think about what you're saying.

No, no you know what no. I need to stay away from these threads. Inferring data from these statistics is only for amusement. I don't mind Blizzards approach of looking at all games but taking a small sample each month and flipping shit over it is ridiculous. Maybe Zergs played against worse opponents? Who knows! No one here will because they will not do the leg work of cross checking all 100+ Korean games (Let alone the thousands of international) and compare the ELO of opponents, consider their history and whether they're traditionally weak or strong in a match up. Or even if they were screwing around and trying wacky strategies that were not completely ready. Or maybe they had a bad case of the shits.

It's just a number and people take these threads and stretch that number out to mean whatever they want. I'm never posting in one of these threads again.

Final note: I apologize for quoting you NoDDiE. It singles you out and makes it look like my contempt and frustration is directed solely at you. This is for every post of Terran whine I've read in the last two months. It's been brewing a long time and I needed to let it loose or else it was just going to fester.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 14:44:12
July 02 2012 14:43 GMT
#75
both of you stfu plz, we dont need that talk in here


Just remember its a graph. KR stats are 'very low amount of games'. Always take it with a grain of salt. And no balance discussions plz. You guys only choose the graph that 'helps' your argument. So why not no arguing at all?
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 02 2012 14:44 GMT
#76
So what I could take from this discussion with Rysecake and NoDDie is they aperently dont give a shit about statistic. its all a lie and infact the game is so unbalance becuase they SAYD SO!

Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
July 02 2012 14:44 GMT
#77
Seems like KSL/... had a huge impact on TvZ as GSL/GSTL was pretty bad imho Oo
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 14:47:03
July 02 2012 14:44 GMT
#78
On July 02 2012 23:44 Benjamin99 wrote:
So what I could take from this discussion with Rysecake and NoDDie is they aperently dont give a shit about statistic. its all a lie and infact the game is so unbalance becuase they SAYD SO!



you don't seem to understand you cannot just look at a graph without seeing the sample size do you?

your spelling is certainly convincing me you chose your name because benjamin wasn't available.
The Notorious Winkles
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
July 02 2012 14:45 GMT
#79
Right now the win% for game length would be the most interesting. The balanced overall graphs came with a huge price i fear.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 02 2012 14:47 GMT
#80
On July 02 2012 23:43 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 23:37 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:34 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:32 NoDDiE wrote:
On July 02 2012 23:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Game looks very balanced atm


troll ?


Look at the graph?


and ? korea : 100 games. 1 game = 1% not even worth watching unless it would be something ridiclous like 25-75

international zvt 55-45 for 2nd month. same as year ago for tvz. and in that time zerg were crying HEAVILY that t>>>>>>>>>>z.
also tvp : t > p mid game p > t late game. i woudlnt call it balance in terms of gameplay.
are you sure you aren't trolling ?

The hell are you all on about. There were only 8 additional games in KR-May but it was 100% for Terrans to flip the fuck out all month?

NOW the chart is misleading? NOW it's unfair to cite the chart? NOW that it isn't helping your argument? I want you to walk away from the computer right now and think about what you're saying.


This chart use TLPD and thus is useless for the korean side because it ignores the biggest event: Code A qualifier.
Zest fanboy.
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