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On July 02 2012 22:29 Gentso wrote:
Foreigners can't typically create extremely solid styles on their own like the hellion opener. Only person who's been effective at something like that is Stephano. So when the game gets changed they have to wait for Koreans to figure everything out first.
MaNa? NaNiwa? HuK? All of them have created their own builds which are partly used in Korea aswell.
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On July 02 2012 22:31 Bagi wrote:
OP, I think your little defensive speech does more harm than good. This thread will become pure zerg balance discussion.
I think it was going to head that way anyways. I just gave everyone a model for their balance debates to save them time.
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On July 02 2012 22:31 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 22:29 Gentso wrote:
Foreigners can't typically create extremely solid styles on their own like the hellion opener. Only person who's been effective at something like that is Stephano. So when the game gets changed they have to wait for Koreans to figure everything out first. MaNa? NaNiwa? HuK? All of them have created their own builds which are partly used in Korea aswell.
Not to mention ThorZain. The whole SlayerS house loves him because he is the epitome of safe, solid play - and very innovative in the lategame too (mass Reapers TvP).
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On July 02 2012 22:29 Gentso wrote:
Foreigners can't typically create extremely solid styles on their own like the hellion opener. Only person who's been effective at something like that is Stephano. So when the game gets changed they have to wait for Koreans to figure everything out first.
I think that is totally false......and I think you know its false. ThorZain, Illusion, QXC and other foreign terrans have their own type of style that works out for them and can be useful for almost any player.
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Np i will still be bashed on ladder for playing "that race".
But i think we will make a full circle and soon Terran will be "that race" again. 
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This is just about what I expected from Korea after rewatching alot of the TvZs from June.
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So basically what has happened in Korea is we get basically the same winrates as before the patch, but the matchup is terrible spectating wise whereas before it was the best in the game?
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what happen is terran don't aim for late game and mixes in a ton of all in early or mid game, as we can see from recent games
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TvZ Winrate international is constantly going down in all the months we can see. How far shall it go down that there is a reaction??
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Internationally TvZ is still pretty screwed though and as usual Korean stats are affected by one guy winning a lot more than the international one due to low amount of data it has. We are still better to go with international one since it does have 3000 tournament matches played rather than mere 300 spread among all the match-ups.
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Wait what else are these actually based on then Code A/S and maybe the Korean weekly which shouldnt be enough to push average?
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What tournaments does the TLPD cover?
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On July 02 2012 22:48 Mehukannu wrote:
Internationally TvZ is still pretty screwed though and as usual Korean stats are affected by one guy winning a lot more than the international one due to low amount of data it has. We are still better to go with international one since it does have 3000 tournament matches played rather than mere 300 spread among all the match-ups.
One person is still highly unlikely to skew the matchup. Most of the occasions in which Koreans play many games in one month are abroad. In the GSL you just don't play enough games to really skew the data by a massive amount.
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i love how crap protoss is
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On July 02 2012 22:59 saMas wrote:
i love how crap protoss is
errr what? tvp and zvp are near perfect...
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in gsl terran got 35% winrate vs zerg in the month of june....this graph is bs
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I don't believe the TvZ winrate in Korea ~50/50. I'm calling bs on this. I'd like to know who regularly posts this and what games these are derived from.
I finally found out sample size is only 114 for KR TvZ and excludes Code A qualifers, TSL4 qualifiers, VS 996 sample size of international graph. I'm sorry, but I don't believe Koreans adapted to patch perfectly.
Code A + TSL qualifers are 220 sets alone. Good job lying with your statistics. I added TSL and Code A qualifers in from data further in post. Sample size is 334 and TvZ winrate is 41.5% for T. This is why you don't believe everything you hear.
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On July 02 2012 23:02 mEtRoSG wrote:
in gsl terran got 35% winrate vs zerg in the month of june....this graph is bs
Was just going to say the same... something wrong with the numbers here.
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