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iAmiAnC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom317 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 15:08:36
June 18 2012 15:02 GMT
#1221
Perhaps its time for the sad Marine or Marauder fan club?

Hopefully in the expansion TvZ and TvP will stop being a race against time to win the game quickly before it becomes unmanagable. Even if they balance it 50/50 in WoL (Terran early game success vs Zerg/Protoss ability to survive and win the game) it still isn't particularly fun or interesting having phases in the game where one race is so much stronger than the other.
http://www.twitch.tv/iamianc <- High master EU terran stream /w commentary!
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 18 2012 15:06 GMT
#1222
On June 19 2012 00:02 iAmiAnC wrote:
Perhaps its time for the sad Marine or Marauder fan club?


not according to code s
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
iAmiAnC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom317 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 15:16:01
June 18 2012 15:13 GMT
#1223
On June 19 2012 00:06 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 00:02 iAmiAnC wrote:
Perhaps its time for the sad Marine or Marauder fan club?


not according to code s


Well I'm looking forward to seeing how MKP and Maru do in their groups, that will be a big indication for me at least. Considering the sad zealot fanclub was full of people bemoaning earth shattering results like Tester falling out of code A (oh wait he wasn't practising), it isn't much of a stretch really...

From my brief look through this months TLPD we're also heading towards Terran overall winrates on par, or worse than the Protoss results at the time of that thread too...
http://www.twitch.tv/iamianc <- High master EU terran stream /w commentary!
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4560 Posts
June 18 2012 15:16 GMT
#1224
On June 18 2012 23:46 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 23:37 FataLe wrote:
On June 18 2012 23:17 scypio wrote:
On June 18 2012 23:05 FataLe wrote:
On June 18 2012 22:50 scypio wrote:
Hero just rolfstomped Taeja 2:0 with a simple 2-base colo on that "asymmetrically imbalanced map" Cloud Kingdom. So there will be exactly 0 terrans in DHS ro8.

Well, I guess I'll watch GSL code S this evening... feels like the last stand.

yea but see this is why you aren't a pro. if you think it was a 'simple 2 base colo'

there's much much more depth to a game than that.


This "you're not a pro" talk is just ridiculous. I don't need to be a pro to watch a football game and I don't need to be a pro to watch starcraft. Also, I may like the games (or not like them) regardless of whether I play them or else.

I've been watching SC2 for a over a year and it's getting worse over the time. DHS seems to be just-another-nail-in-the coffin.

No wonder Blizzard is going to sell a million units of HoTS, that's the only saving grace in sight.

what i'm saying is you can't just pass something like a 2 base colo push as simple. There's much more to it than that. and that's what sets spectators apart from pros. they have depth. you don't. stop whining.


So I expect you are a pro, so you can evaluate the movements of hero. It's wrong to say Hero's play was simple. But it's also wrong to overestimate every little move a (pro) player makes during a game. This insane glorification of banal moves really pisses me off. As if a nexus cancel is somewhat new or insanely creative these days. This stuff has been around forever. yeah it was a well executed 2base timing attack. But that's what you should expect at the very least from a (code s) pro player. This is nothing you should go crazy about.... -_-

haha, i guess mypost came across a little condescending but i don't like whiners. especially when they take things for gratned
hi. big fan.
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 15:23:02
June 18 2012 15:17 GMT
#1225
On June 08 2012 03:04 imperator-xy wrote:
terran has been overpowered for nearly 2 years now, so bad terrans are extremely overestimated nowadays


the process we see now is just putting everyone to the place he should have been in during the last months


not worth it. (edit)
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
June 18 2012 15:29 GMT
#1226
On June 19 2012 00:13 iAmiAnC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 00:06 nkr wrote:
On June 19 2012 00:02 iAmiAnC wrote:
Perhaps its time for the sad Marine or Marauder fan club?


not according to code s


Well I'm looking forward to seeing how MKP and Maru do in their groups, that will be a big indication for me at least. Considering the sad zealot fanclub was full of people bemoaning earth shattering results like Tester falling out of code A (oh wait he wasn't practising), it isn't much of a stretch really...

From my brief look through this months TLPD we're also heading towards Terran overall winrates on par, or worse than the Protoss results at the time of that thread too...


I think that while there might have been a couple of morons doing that, the sad zealot fanclub was based on the continual domination against Protoss in tournaments around the world, and particularly in the GSL at the highest level of play, for a substantial period of time.
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
June 18 2012 15:29 GMT
#1227
As a Terran in EU I have given up on ladder in season 8. I don't mind the former patches TBH, and could see the point. But the recent ghost nerf and queen buff don't make much sense when you look at them tgthr. If you nerf early and mid game terran (reactor helions opening not as viable) and then nerf late game terran (with ghost nerf) then when exactly is terran supposed to shine, except with ultra cheeses in very early game? Mind you creep spread is insane currently with the current buff to queens. Terrans need to adapt somehow, but I don't know exactly how? Anyone have an answer? I am currently in diamond MMR...
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 18 2012 15:31 GMT
#1228
On June 19 2012 00:29 SoniC_eu wrote:
As a Terran in EU I have given up on ladder in season 8. I don't mind the former patches TBH, and could see the point. But the recent ghost nerf and queen buff don't make much sense when you look at them tgthr. If you nerf early and mid game terran (reactor helions opening not as viable) and then nerf late game terran (with ghost nerf) then when exactly is terran supposed to shine, except with ultra cheeses in very early game? Mind you creep spread is insane currently with the current buff to queens. Terrans need to adapt somehow, but I don't know exactly how? Anyone have an answer? I am currently in diamond MMR...


I just don't get it dude...sc2 is ruined for me too
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 15:36:32
June 18 2012 15:32 GMT
#1229
On June 18 2012 22:50 scypio wrote:
Hero just rolfstomped Taeja 2:0 with a simple 2-base colo on that "asymmetrically imbalanced map" Cloud Kingdom. So there will be exactly 0 terrans in DHS ro8.

Well, I guess I'll watch GSL code S this evening... feels like the last stand.

There were no zergs in round 8 of GSL code S previous GSL.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 15:38:13
June 18 2012 15:38 GMT
#1230
On June 19 2012 00:32 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 22:50 scypio wrote:
Hero just rolfstomped Taeja 2:0 with a simple 2-base colo on that "asymmetrically imbalanced map" Cloud Kingdom. So there will be exactly 0 terrans in DHS ro8.

Well, I guess I'll watch GSL code S this evening... feels like the last stand.

There were no zergs in round 8 of GSL code S previous GSL.


And the reason for that were Zerg going 1-7 against protoss in that particular season, while being at 50% against Terran. So you'd say that a zerg buff that aims at ZvT was the right solution for that problem?
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
June 18 2012 15:44 GMT
#1231
On June 19 2012 00:38 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 00:32 Assirra wrote:
On June 18 2012 22:50 scypio wrote:
Hero just rolfstomped Taeja 2:0 with a simple 2-base colo on that "asymmetrically imbalanced map" Cloud Kingdom. So there will be exactly 0 terrans in DHS ro8.

Well, I guess I'll watch GSL code S this evening... feels like the last stand.

There were no zergs in round 8 of GSL code S previous GSL.


And the reason for that were Zerg going 1-7 against protoss in that particular season, while being at 50% against Terran. So you'd say that a zerg buff that aims at ZvT was the right solution for that problem?

Sigh, i am not saying that.
Also, since when the zerg buffs have something to do with a protoss beating a terran?
The post i quoted had NOTHING to do with the current buff.
RandomAccount#106470
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
June 18 2012 15:49 GMT
#1232
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
June 18 2012 16:01 GMT
#1233
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CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
June 18 2012 16:09 GMT
#1234
On June 19 2012 01:01 monkybone wrote:
Yeah, the patch was severe. But stop playing? Are you crazy?


I stopped playing too, terran is really just not a fun race anymore...
Their idea of balance is getting a little absurd.
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
June 18 2012 16:10 GMT
#1235
On June 19 2012 01:01 monkybone wrote:
Yeah, the patch was severe. But stop playing? Are you crazy?


If you play Terran on NA/EU it is completely awful. I get TvZ as probably damn near 50% of my matches and it is full of roach/ling/bling all-ins(that can be somewhat macro'd out of) or insane creep spread into late game TvZ which is extremely rough for the Terran unless you have MMA type multitasking. It isn't fun feeling hopeless in about 50% of the games you play. Now if you have a KR account, like I do, there isn't near as many Zergs and ladder is more enjoyable(although there has been a recently influx of Zerg on that server, imo). I can understand why a lot of Terrans don't want to play anymore, especially if you happened to be a mid-high masters player before the patch.
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
June 18 2012 16:12 GMT
#1236
On June 19 2012 00:29 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 00:13 iAmiAnC wrote:
On June 19 2012 00:06 nkr wrote:
On June 19 2012 00:02 iAmiAnC wrote:
Perhaps its time for the sad Marine or Marauder fan club?


not according to code s


Well I'm looking forward to seeing how MKP and Maru do in their groups, that will be a big indication for me at least. Considering the sad zealot fanclub was full of people bemoaning earth shattering results like Tester falling out of code A (oh wait he wasn't practising), it isn't much of a stretch really...

From my brief look through this months TLPD we're also heading towards Terran overall winrates on par, or worse than the Protoss results at the time of that thread too...


I think that while there might have been a couple of morons doing that, the sad zealot fanclub was based on the continual domination against Protoss in tournaments around the world, and particularly in the GSL at the highest level of play, for a substantial period of time.


Actually the original article (here) mostly bases its argumentation around MC's slump (that in terms of his results, has continued to this day).
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
June 18 2012 16:17 GMT
#1237
On June 19 2012 01:09 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 01:01 monkybone wrote:
Yeah, the patch was severe. But stop playing? Are you crazy?


I stopped playing too, terran is really just not a fun race anymore...
Their idea of balance is getting a little absurd.


Yeah I feel you guys, it's getting really sad. Well at least the Z and P dudes are having fun laughing their asses of at us.
Huge fan of Empire Kas, The Destroyer of Worlds, The Machine, The Second Terminator, The Supreme Robot!
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
June 18 2012 16:21 GMT
#1238
I'm watching Byun TvZ on the ladder and it's just a joke to see this matchup. He tries for 10 minutes to harass the third of a zerg who defends with queens and lings no problem. After 10 minutes of no success the zerg just counters while he's still trying to pressure and destroys basically everything Byun has. It's literally impossible to touch zergs as terran right now.
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 16:25:21
June 18 2012 16:25 GMT
#1239
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Vash_SC2
Profile Joined January 2012
United States122 Posts
June 18 2012 16:25 GMT
#1240
Keep looking at your charts that prove nothing. So glad I have a brain

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