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Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:09 CaptainCrush wrote: I stopped playing too, terran is really just not a fun race anymore... Their idea of balance is getting a little absurd. Agreed, it's impossible to play vs a good zerg unless you can play like MKP. Off-raced as Zerg most of yesterday and that was honestly the most fun I've had playing starcraft in bloody ages. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:25 monkybone wrote: If you're not top pro level Terran you can always get better to defeat the Zergs you are losing to right now. Nothing warrants stopping sc2, not even imbalance. Just watch some pro terran streams :/ TvZ is dead. Literally. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:25 monkybone wrote: If you're not top pro level Terran you can always get better to defeat the Zergs you are losing to right now. Nothing warrants stopping sc2, not even imbalance. If I have to be a lot better than my opponent in order to win, where's the fun? I played sc2 for competition and it was fun for a while. I liked the idea that most of the time better player wins (luck aside) even though the game design was kinda silly for every match-up (maybe the only exception was TvZ). Now neither the balance nor design is good for terran and I don't want to switch races. Quiting sc2 was not so hard due to Diablo 3 and I'm kinda enjoying it (earning some easy money lol). Now I'm waiting for GW2 and maybe I will try HotS on my friend's account since I don't really plan on buying it. | ||
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blamekilly
466 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:25 monkybone wrote: If you're not top pro level Terran you can always get better to defeat the Zergs you are losing to right now. Nothing warrants stopping sc2, not even imbalance. could use the same argument to say we're not fighting top pro zergs either. they too have room for improvements. there's a balance issue, you shouldnt have to severely outplay your opponent to win. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:38 blamekilly wrote: could use the same argument to say we're not fighting top pro zergs either. they too have room for improvements. there's a balance issue, you shouldnt have to severely outplay your opponent to win. SEVERELY | ||
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][Primarch][
Sweden302 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:38 blamekilly wrote: could use the same argument to say we're not fighting top pro zergs either. they too have room for improvements. there's a balance issue, you shouldnt have to severely outplay your opponent to win. Yeah but mere logic wont work lol. Some dudes are gonna sit at home and say = if you are not playing at code S level you don't have the right to talk about balance. After MMA just recently "whined" about balance there was actually a zerg who said that since he is not in the code S then he should not even mention balance. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
 + Show Spoiler + Nothing to do with balance, although he joked "Toss imba" to the Z | ||
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
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Mowr
Sweden791 Posts
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bennedik
Germany127 Posts
On June 19 2012 02:13 Ghanburighan wrote: Lol, IMMvp playing ZvT now + Show Spoiler + Nothing to do with balance, although he joked "Toss imba" to the Z After loosing with CC first to a sixpool. And he won easily as Z. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
I get a TvT on ladder every ~20 or so games it feels like, lol... | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:26 Jaegeru wrote: Agreed, it's impossible to play vs a good zerg unless you can play like MKP. Off-raced as Zerg most of yesterday and that was honestly the most fun I've had playing starcraft in bloody ages. Yeah over the last 2 seasons I have done some experimenting since I have heard that Protoss and Zerg are harder to play than Terran and Terran players are "whining" and should "just learn to adapt". As a little background information, I've been a top 8 master Terran for 5 seasons, peaking at Rank 1 master Terran last season. Anyway, so 2 seasons ago, I took up Protoss and spent some time in 1v1 obs game learning to play it. Got another account and quickly hit the same rank and point value as my Terran and then actually eclipsed that point value. This really upset me because I Didn't even think I was good at Protoss yet I was able to attain more points than I had whilst dedicating myself to Terran. I also tried Zerg and read up on injecting methods, timing, etc. and also was easily able to hit top 8 master. I think I could actually go further with Zerg than either Terran or Protoss, but I don't like the idea of jumping on the bandwagon or taking the easy way out. Hence why I have stayed with Terran through everything. In any case, I concluded that TvZ is insanely more difficult for the Terran player and even TvP, I find it much easier to play Protoss. Both of the latter races permit you to sit back, defend, tech up and create an informed and extremely strong unit comp. Terran relies on hit-and-run tactics, which, if they do little to no damage, you are actually behind. And at this point in the game, why should those drops ever do damage if you are a good player? You should know when what times they should come, what units to have in position, where to have Overlords or Observers positioned, where to drop cannons, or a group of ling/bane present. I am really looking forward to HotS so that Terran gets less micro intensive units so we can dedicate more time to sitting back like the other races. And indeed, David Kim mentioned this very point in a recent interview that Terran should be able to do this. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On June 19 2012 02:33 Starshaped wrote: Terrans quitting the game is the best way to let Blizzard know how broken the game is at the moment. I get a TvT on ladder every ~20 or so games it feels like, lol... Yeah I've played 20 games and have had 2 Terrans, 11 Zergs, 7 Protoss. | ||
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Sroobz
United States1377 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On June 19 2012 02:39 zmansman17 wrote: Yeah over the last 2 seasons I have done some experimenting since I have heard that Protoss and Zerg are harder to play than Terran and Terran players are "whining" and should "just learn to adapt". As a little background information, I've been a top 8 master Terran for 5 seasons, peaking at Rank 1 master Terran last season. Anyway, so 2 seasons ago, I took up Protoss and spent some time in 1v1 obs game learning to play it. Got another account and quickly hit the same rank and point value as my Terran and then actually eclipsed that point value. This really upset me because I Didn't even think I was good at Protoss yet I was able to attain more points than I had whilst dedicating myself to Terran. I also tried Zerg and read up on injecting methods, timing, etc. and also was easily able to hit top 8 master. I think I could actually go further with Zerg than either Terran or Protoss, but I don't like the idea of jumping on the bandwagon or taking the easy way out. Hence why I have stayed with Terran through everything. In any case, I concluded that TvZ is insanely more difficult for the Terran player and even TvP, I find it much easier to play Protoss. Both of the latter races permit you to sit back, defend, tech up and create an informed and extremely strong unit comp. Terran relies on hit-and-run tactics, which, if they do little to no damage, you are actually behind. And at this point in the game, why should those drops ever do damage if you are a good player? You should know when what times they should come, what units to have in position, where to have Overlords or Observers positioned, where to drop cannons, or a group of ling/bane present. I am really looking forward to HotS so that Terran gets less micro intensive units so we can dedicate more time to sitting back like the other races. And indeed, David Kim mentioned this very point in a recent interview that Terran should be able to do this. I agree with a lot of what you said except the last part. It shouldn't be terrans that get less micro-intensive units, its zerg and protoss that need to be re-worked so their units scale better with micro, and their new units should require much more micro. If not then this game becomes a boring attack-move feast, micro and micro scaling units are the best thing in SC2, all compositions and all match-ups that require micro are the best. TvP, when it actually gets to the level of MKP vs PartinG, those beautiful back and forth fights, the stutter step, the splits the storm dodging, the flanks. TvZ in its heyday of ling, bing & muta, stutter step, marine splits, bane splits, focus fire, magic box. No player should have to play substantially better to beat another player, but making more attack-move friendly units to balance this out is NOT the right way to do it. | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
On June 19 2012 02:58 Veriol wrote: I love how after month of non-winning terrans "'quit'' the game :D not like Z/P was loosing for the whole existance of sc2.. Just get grip on urselves; wait and see how it evolve or even i dont know .. try to think of something (qxc bunker). You don't understand, the game was relatively balanced by last year. Almost EVERY SINGLE PATCH has included a nerf of terran, or another change in the game that indirectly fucks terran over. Every single patch terran has adapted and continued to do relatively well, but this change is simply too much. There are no more viable options for terran to try. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On June 19 2012 02:58 Veriol wrote: I love how after month of non-winning terrans "'quit'' the game :D not like Z/P was loosing for the whole existance of sc2.. Just get grip on urselves; wait and see how it evolve or even i dont know .. try to think of something (qxc bunker). Why should Terran evolve ? That's what they always did during the life of the game. On other hand, Protoss and Zerg whined over and over to mother Blizzard asking for buffs instead of trying new composition. Also I can't fully blame Blizzard. They had to choose between losing 2 thirds of their player pool ( Z and P ) or just 1 third. They made the obvious decision, since they are a business. Enjoy your ladder with only two races. GLHF. | ||
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