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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:16 MLG_Wiggin wrote: If anyone has more replays of him, please PM me. Thanks. Good to hear you guys are aware of this issue. Is it possible you guys can just outright ban him from attending the event? | ||
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Flipshy
United States83 Posts
On June 06 2012 13:29 BronzeKnee wrote: Guess you guys have never heard this quote: The world is a dangerous place not because of people who do evil, but because of good people who look on and do nothing about it. -- Albert Einstein Evil people exist, pretending that their existence is the problem, is the problem! Instead the problem is not dealing with them correctly or not dealing with them at all. You even admit that as long as there is a market for hacks, people will use them. And thus, the problem isn't the hackers, the problem is when people don't deal with them. Blizzard can't stop people from hacking, but Blizzard can punish them for doing it. And if Blizzard doesn't punish people for it, they are just as guilty as the hackers. We can't change what the hackers will do, but we can change how Blizzard will respond. That is why this isn't Zack's fault, the man is what he is, but Blizzard needs to step up to the plate and lay down the law. That is what Einstein was getting at and it is the only way to deal with the problems in the world. Your interpretation seems very close minded and far from what Einstein most likely intended it to mean... You are upset that people are trying to bring justice to this matter? Not Zacks fault? shame on you, prob one of the most foolish things i have ever read. It wasn't Bin Ladens fault either for the world trade centers cause the US should have come down on other convicted terrorists harder. Jesus man i honestly cant believe someone could say such a foolish thing | ||
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OneBaseKing
Afghanistan412 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On June 06 2012 13:19 BronzeKnee wrote: To be completely honest, if I didn't love SC2 so much and knew that by hacking I could get an invite to WCS, I would do it to help clean up E-sports. And I'd show up and act like the biggest troll ever and do Bitbybit SCV all-ins and Gaulzi style cannon rushes. And I'd play random, especially vs Protoss players. Blizzard needs to deal with this crap. This isn't Zack's fault, this is Blizzards fault. Hate the game, not the player. The saddest part is that I predicted this kind of thing happening in the Impa thread... There is just nothing Blizzard can really do to stop it. I mean they can ban the people once they catch them but thats about it. | ||
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
On June 06 2012 08:02 SniXSniPe wrote: But if that's not enough to prove it... how about: -APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high. Is APM Skyrocketing a known indicator of hacking? Because a couple days ago I played this guy who's APM went up to over 1000 several times, and when I viewed his camera he wasn't really doing anything. It was a ZvZ and I won in the early game, so it's not like it would have helped him too much. At the time I thought it was a glitch with the replay or something, I"ll have to look out for this in the future though. | ||
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:15 MrCash wrote: That's a very narrow minded interpretation.... but neither hackers nor criminals should simply be accepted as if they are doing something reasonable. It isn't about accepting criminals as if they are doing something reasonable. It is about accepting the fact that people who do unreasonable things exist. And when you accept the fact they exist, you can deal with them. EDIT: In the lines below you can see evidence that Blizzard isn't accepting the fact that Zack as a hacker exists. On June 06 2012 14:21 Flipshy wrote: Your interpretation seems very close minded and far from what Einstein most likely intended it to mean... You are upset that people are trying to bring justice to this matter? Not Zacks fault? shame on you, prob one of the most foolish things i have ever read. It wasn't Bin Ladens fault either for the world trade centers cause the US should have come down on other convicted terrorists harder. Jesus man i honestly cant believe someone could say such a foolish thing You don't understand what I've written. I am not upset that people are trying to bring justice to the matter. Zack is who he is, you can't blame him for being himself and that goes back to what I said to MrCash. You have to accept the fact people like Zack exist, and they are who they are. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't act to stop Zack from being himself. And that is what Blizzard needs to do, stop the hackers. | ||
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
Notes: Prepared for ovie scouts, knows where my army is constantly + he doesnt check for 3rd (barely sees creep on edge, doesnt even look at it and pulls back) Most obvious: blink micro with all units selected. Get out edit: wrong replay uploaded | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
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terran0330
New Zealand106 Posts
From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this. From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on. And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this. From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on. Great. That's fantastic. What legitimacy does TL's opinion have now if Blizzard is focusing on the TL community threatening people with violence / force. This is exactly what I was saying about community integrity. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:31 terran0330 wrote: I was talking to Zack earlier today about this. From what he tells me, Blizzard has emailed him concerning his safety from attacks at the event haha Meaning Blizzard knows about this thread, knows about the replays, but choosing to continue on. LOL that's actually good news. So they DO see these threads...? or what? well I'm guessing that there's so many blizz employees, some of them have got to be users of TL Also, it may just mean that they don't think he hacked. But it's probably not that. Probably some other reason =/ Or Zack is lying, which I think is likely. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote: And that is exactly what I've been talking about above! Blizzard is the one to blame here. Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play. | ||
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terran0330
New Zealand106 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:36 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: LOL that's actually good news. So they DO see these threads...? or what? well I'm guessing that there's so many blizz employees, some of them have got to be users of TL Also, it may just mean that they don't think he hacked. But it's probably not that. Probably some other reason =/ Or Zack is lying, which I think is likely. He says that Blizzard can't ban him until there is 100% evidence of him hacking, meaning if warden can't see it, blizzard won't ban it. Stuff like godlike blink micro can be "passed off" as just being glitches in the coding of the replay etc etc. He's not worried at all about getting himself banned, even after all this attention. In fact he's enjoying the attention lol, although disappointed he doesn't have 200 pages like Spade's thread. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
It's a farce. That's also why i always loved the shit out of the MLG open bracket and the GSL code a qualifiers. Until you win something there, you've earned nothing. It's perfect. But it's 2012 and everyone wants to do everything online, and here we are. (y) | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:36 Caihead wrote: Blizzard is utmost concerned about the SECURITY of an event, if they don't even have that basis how can they monitor competitive play. I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about they fact that they know what people think of think, meaning they have access to the information in this thread, but are still inviting him to this event. | ||
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Klaas
Slovenia86 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:30 Chronos. wrote: Is APM Skyrocketing a known indicator of hacking? Because a couple days ago I played this guy who's APM went up to over 1000 several times, and when I viewed his camera he wasn't really doing anything. It was a ZvZ and I won in the early game, so it's not like it would have helped him too much. At the time I thought it was a glitch with the replay or something, I"ll have to look out for this in the future though. Well it's possible to reach that APM, by binding left click to the scroll wheel and scrolling. It's only useful to spam infested terrans and ghost snipes or you could just use it to inflate your apm. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:38 terran0330 wrote: He says that Blizzard can't ban him until there is 100% evidence of him hacking, meaning if warden can't see it, blizzard won't ban it. Stuff like godlike blink micro can be "passed off" as just being glitches in the coding of the replay etc etc. He's not worried at all about getting himself banned, even after all this attention. Wow really? That's interesting. I guess they are really going for the innocent until proven guilty thing. Not that that's a bad thing. I mean, yeah I guess there could be glitches. I'm not a programmer though so I wouldn't know much. Oh I see, the reason why Impa was banned was cus he was blatantly streaming his hacks. | ||
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