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playa
United States1284 Posts
On May 13 2015 13:45 GGzerG wrote: This game was played almost 2 years ago... Yeah, and he still hacks. After at least two years of hacking, you're going to be a little better at disguising it. Yeah, it's obvious to me since I'm a GM Toss, but what are you going to deduce? Nothing, because you have fruit on your team who is blatantly hacking like this guy was two years ago. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On May 13 2015 14:14 playa wrote: Yeah, and he still hacks. After at least two years of hacking, you're going to be a little better at disguising it. Yeah, it's obvious to me since I'm a GM Toss, but what are you going to deduce? Nothing, because you have fruit on your team who is blatantly hacking like this guy was two years ago. I see, so you have no replay still? | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
You dying to have your whole team reported? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
I'm not sure why you are being childish / badmanner buddy, You post in GM / Master maphacking thread stating a player from my clan maphacks, I come and state I am the leader of the clan this player is in and asked for you to please provide replays to prove your accusation rather than this dead end statement and a replay from 2 years ago. I am not sure what we could consider what is happening now, you being upset, BM, and going against the rules of this the thread because you have no replays? EDIT : Grammar | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On May 13 2015 14:44 GGzerG wrote: I'm not sure why you are being childish / badmanner buddy, You post in GM / Master maphacking thread stating a player from my clan maphacks, I come and state I am the leader of the clan this player is in and asked for you to please provide replays to prove your accusation rather than this dead end statement and a replay from 2 years ago. I am not sure what we could consider what is happening now, you being upset, BM, and going against the rules of this the thread because you have no replays? EDIT : Grammar Stop playing stupid. Everyone already knows your team hacks. Watch any stream. Watch Kamkers last few vods and his games vs Fruit. I'm sure you're completely unaware that these players are hacking when all of GM already knows. This isn't team EG. This is a random team with a 70-80 apm player in GM who was CLEARLY hacking in the replay I showed. Let's all pay our respects to [Ever]water for becoming the best player ever for sub 85 APM. What's the secret! Just since I get the feel you must be previously associated with team Ascension, here is the replay. Feel free to humor me like they do. http://drop.sc/398852 So, in this game the guy has an oracle in the corner of the map. He knows I have three stalkers in my mineral line, but since he knows I have a phoenix coming to kill it, when he shouldn't know, he decides to go ahead and try to kill as many probes as possible. What seals the deal on this being the move of someone hacking is he had stalkers about to attack my natural/front in a short matter of time, yet he didn't want to wait for that. Anyone knows that's ridiculous and you always try to draw units away from the mineral line before using an oracle. Then, later on he way points his zealots + mothership core to kill my reinforcing pylon and then sends the units right next to my pylon I had blocking his third. He had no reason to suspect something to be blocking his third. Only a noobie would waypoint to the middle of a base in P vs P and not have any other way points... If there is a pylon, 99% of the time it's going to be at the corner of a base, and you'd kill any unit that was attempting to block a nexus, that way, anyways. The guy is a noobie who is cheating. This [Ever]Fruit guy is far more brazen/bold. He's trying to go nerfy level, thus no one should take this guy seriously or his team. But ofc a clear cheater should get benefit of doubt. Water was acting oblivious to having hacked before, too. Where can I contact him to try to explain that he is hacking? Give me a break. I forgot to mention when he was waypointing his mothership core, it was phoenix vs phoenix at that point. It's generally pretty smart to have your mothership core roaming around when you have "0 idea" where the other person's phoenixes are. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On May 13 2015 15:04 playa wrote: Stop playing stupid. Everyone already knows your team hacks. Watch any stream. Watch Kamkers last few vods and his games vs Fruit. I'm sure you're completely unaware that these players are hacking when all of GM already knows. This isn't team EG. This is a random team with a 70-80 apm player in GM who was CLEARLY hacking in the replay I showed. Let's all pay our respects to [Ever]water for becoming the best player ever for sub 85 APM. What's the secret! Just since I get the feel you must be previously associated with team Ascension, here is the replay. Feel free to humor me like they do. http://drop.sc/398852 So, in this game the guy has an oracle in the corner of the map. He knows I have three stalkers in my mineral line, but since he knows I have a phoenix coming to kill it, when he shouldn't know, he decides to go ahead and try to kill as many probes as possible. What seals the deal on this being the move of someone hacking is he had stalkers about to attack my natural/front in a short matter of time, yet he didn't want to wait for that. Anyone knows that's ridiculous and you always try to draw units away from the mineral line before using an oracle. Then, later on he way points his zealots + mothership core to kill my reinforcing pylon and then sends the units right next to my pylon I had blocking his third. He had no reason to suspect something to be blocking his third. Only a noobie would waypoint to the middle of a base in P vs P and not have any other way points... If there is a pylon, 99% of the time it's going to be at the corner of a base, and you'd kill any unit that was attempting to block a nexus, that way, anyways. The guy is a noobie who is cheating. This [Ever]Fruit guy is far more brazen/bold. He's trying to go nerfy level, thus no one should take this guy seriously or his team. But ofc a clear cheater should get benefit of doubt. Water was acting oblivious to having hacked before, too. Where can I contact him to try to explain that he is hacking? Give me a break. I forgot to mention when he was waypointing his mothership core, it was phoenix vs phoenix at that point. It's generally pretty smart to have your mothership core roaming around when you have "0 idea" where the other person's phoenixes are. Lol, I love your attitude. My clan has strict policy, anyone who is caught hacking is insta banned, Kaitlyn helped catch a hacker on her stream, ophidian (her stream mod) notified me, and he aka KuDYa was immediatly removed. Me and Ever have no affiliation with Team Ascension, that is a pretty ridiculous claim as well. It is pretty sad you are saying " no one should take this team seriously", please take your little personal vendettas elsewhere. There are many good notable players in Ever, it is always possible for cheaters to slip into any team, the important part is making sure they are handled properly and in a timely manner, I will review this replay, and I would appreciate any replays on Fruit as well, as there has been other claims of this as well. There must be evidence. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On May 13 2015 15:13 GGzerG wrote: Lol, I love your attitude. My clan has strict policy, anyone who is caught hacking is insta banned, Kaitlyn helped catch a hacker on her stream, ophidian (her stream mod) notified me, and he aka KuDYa was immediatly removed. Me and Ever have no affiliation with Team Ascension, that is a pretty ridiculous claim as well. It is pretty sad you are saying " no one should take this team seriously", please take your little personal vendettas elsewhere. There are many good notable players in Ever, it is always possible for cheaters to slip into any team, the important part is making sure they are handled properly and in a timely manner, I will review this replay, and I would appreciate any replays on Fruit as well, as there has been other claims of this as well. There must be evidence. Evidence on Fruit? Lol. How many times does that guy get reported to you. 10 times per day minimum? It's not even worth the time. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
Maybe others can watch the replay and tell me what they think, but all I gathered from this replay is that you are BM, and your clan name is "WHacks", how ironic... If you have more / other replays that actually have evidence, please show them. This replay proves literally nothing, and the previous one from 2 years ago isn't relevant. Now please do yourself and others a favor, and be more well mannered, show replays with actual evidence, or stop talking. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On May 13 2015 15:34 playa wrote: Evidence on Fruit? Lol. How many times does that guy get reported to you. 10 times per day minimum? It's not even worth the time. This thread isn't a place for egotistical NA GrandMasters players who have delusions of grandeur to come and preach there beliefs of omniscience, it is a place to report hackers, have it documented, and have the players banned / removed from the clan, since I am the leader of the clan and saying I will ban hackers, then yes, the replays should be provided. Rather than you and your little cute attitude trying to convince everyone of your beliefs, just because you believe you are someone special and deserve recognition for no reason what so ever. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On May 13 2015 15:41 GGzerG wrote: This thread isn't a place for egotistical NA GrandMasters players who have delusions of grandeur to come and preach there beliefs of omniscience, it is a place to report hackers, have it documented, and have the players banned / removed from the clan, since I am the leader of the clan and saying I will ban hackers, then yes, the replays should be provided. Rather than you and your little cute attitude trying to convince everyone of your beliefs, just because you believe you are someone special and deserve recognition for no reason what so ever. I already told your incompetent self to watch Kamkers previous vod for games vs him if you're so desperate for evidence you don't already have. Or, I dunno, listen to what I'm saying and ASK ANYONE in GM. Do I need to find some proof on nerfy? You can waste your time. You've wasted enough of mine. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On May 13 2015 15:44 playa wrote: I already told your incompetent self to watch Kamkers previous vod for games vs him if you're so desperate for evidence you don't already have. Or, I dunno, listen to what I'm saying and ASK ANYONE in GM. Do I need to find some proof on nerfy? You can waste your time. You've wasted enough of mine. lol, this thread requires you to post replays, so yes. Try to get over yourself, it may help some in coping with reality. | ||
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Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
On May 13 2015 15:34 GGzerG wrote: Ok i just watched the replay, and the only conclusive evidence we have is that you are absolutely ridiculously BM, I guess it is standard to tell people to kill themselves at the beginning of a match on NA. I can get Water's replay pack to show 100+ replays of his unorthodox, weird style, he plays strange every single game so there is no way to say "He went in with the oracle at the right time so he hacks" ...That is not conclusive evidence in the slightest, and that is literally the only suspicious move this entire game. Maybe others can watch the replay and tell me what they think, but all I gathered from this replay is that you are BM, and your clan name is "WHacks", how ironic... If you have more / other replays that actually have evidence, please show them. This replay proves literally nothing, and the previous one from 2 years ago isn't relevant. I don't know any of you guys, but after watching the replay, I have to agree it's inconclusive. In fact it certainly proves that Water was NOT hacking. Ex.: - 11'45: the blue player ( Playa ) moves his entire army at 11'45 to catch red's army. If red was hacking, considering he had a weaker army, he should have retreated, but here he did not and lost everything ( and that pretty much decided the game ). - 16'00: Water moves across the map with 5 phoenixs to counter harass, when Playa has 6 of them. Any half-decent player knows that it's an incredibly bad move to be out-numbered and caught off-pos with phoenixs. If he was hacking do you really think he would have made that move ? Look, here's the thing: you can't take one suspicious move ( the oracle attacking right before the phoenix is out ) and conveniently ignore things that disprove what you want to prove. There's litteraly nothing else that is suspicious in that game. No sudden change of army movement due to something he could see with a hack in fog of war; no instant adaptation to something he didn't scout, etc.. I hate hackers like everybody else in this thread, but really, if that guy hacks, that replay doesn't show it. Op should post other replays where it's more obvious and then he might have a case. Until then, all this replay proves is that he's incredibly BM. | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On May 14 2015 00:03 Nyast wrote: I don't know any of you guys, but after watching the replay, I have to agree it's inconclusive. In fact it certainly proves that Water was NOT hacking. Ex.: - 11'45: the blue player ( Playa ) moves his entire army at 11'45 to catch red's army. If red was hacking, considering he had a weaker army, he should have retreated, but here he did not and lost everything ( and that pretty much decided the game ). - 16'00: Water moves across the map with 5 phoenixs to counter harass, when Playa has 6 of them. Any half-decent player knows that it's an incredibly bad move to be out-numbered and caught off-pos with phoenixs. If he was hacking do you really think he would have made that move ? Look, here's the thing: you can't take one suspicious move ( the oracle attacking right before the phoenix is out ) and conveniently ignore things that disprove what you want to prove. There's litteraly nothing else that is suspicious in that game. No sudden change of army movement due to something he could see with a hack in fog of war; no instant adaptation to something he didn't scout, etc.. I hate hackers like everybody else in this thread, but really, if that guy hacks, that replay doesn't show it. Op should post other replays where it's more obvious and then he might have a case. Until then, all this replay proves is that he's incredibly BM. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this, I am glad that others can see Playa is just another ridiculous BM NA player. It was all but obvious if you read his posts, that he is just going off of rage / delusional beliefs lol, instead of providing conclusive evidence in text as well as the replay, he just goes on raging tangents....gg Playa~ | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On May 14 2015 00:21 Xinzoe wrote: I've seen pilipili play this Water guy one time. pili went for stargate. water went for twilight. 10 seconds later, with no vision whatsoever, he cancels twilight and makes his own stargate and goes phoenix first. this is a few months back so itll take me a while to find the vod Thanks, would be appreciated, although Water always plays weird and unorthodox, I will get his replay pack and upload it soon. | ||
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[Ever]Water
3 Posts
I want to defend myself. This may be long and in rant-form and may be tl;dr for you guys. Low APM. I receive a lot of post-game messages saying something along the lines of, "70 apm, you're obviously a hacker!" I believe most of these accusations are because of my low apm. I believe that if my APM is high, then I'd probably get less accusations because players would presume that it was simple luck instead of hacks. The reason I have low APM is because I do not spam. I have played StarCraft since around 2002, so after over a decade of StarCraft, I have what I believe to be carpal tunnel syndrome. Therefore, I try to preserve my wrists as much as I can (so I can play more StarCraft for the many years to come). This means that my APM early game is generally sub-fifty. When I micro, or during emergency situations, my APM does spike to 200+. However, I do my best to minimize my clicks. Therefore, the reason I have low APM is not because I am staring at the keyboard, figuring how to hotkey or move my units, it's a deliberate and conscious decision to preserve my wrists. Experience and Skill When I started playing Beta (hacks conclusively did not exist in beta), I was one of the top gamers in the NA server. I hit #1 several times and my MMR was high enough to regularly play pros. For example, here's one with idra: . In fact, if I wasn't so caught up with my 12+ hour work schedule, I may have considered training to go pro. After over a decade of StarCraft, one does get familiar with mindgames and metagaming. I do not monotonously do build orders, throw my units at the enemy, and move on from there. I do try to predict what the enemy will go after he or she scouts my units. Furthermore, scouting is often done by them scouting. For example, when I see an overseer, I know there is a lair tech. If he makes a reaper, I know that he likely went fast expo or will transition to widow mines. I factor in their previous behavior as well. For example, if I never saw a player do cheese, I may not scout for proxies (or be less thorough when I do). If the player almost always does cheese, I will scrupulously check for proxies and scout early. Weird and Unorthodox I took a year-and-a-half break and recently started playing HOTS in January. Part of the reason I quit was because I was upset at the balancing (pheonix before pheonix buff/upgrades vs mutas; before infestors were nerfed; reapers before MSC's/nerf; etc). When I started playing again in January. I lost all of my previous contacts and was completely lost in HotS buildorders and metagaming. Furthermore, I was really busy studying and was quite burnt out so I didn't have the time or diligence to carefully study build orders and learn everything the way I used to. I simply gamed and improvised. Learned some basics from streams, but generally did my own thing. PvZ, I almost always do a 10 gate opening to deny early hatch with a follow up cannon rush. Zerg often accuse me of hacking because the 10 gate stops both an early pool and an early hatch. However, I do this consistently 95% of my games. Furthermore, my scouting is not as refined as it should be. Pros tend to time their sentries and time their hallucinations so they can catch timing rushes. I simply am not there yet because I prefer to use the 100 gas for earlier tech. I think this is another reason why people think I hack. I scout with conventional SC2 vanilla tactics (because technically I played HoTs for only about 4 months or so). Therefore, I use the probe and the observer to do most of my scouting, drawing the rest from inferences as we had to back in SC2 vanilla days, before the MSC and free hallucinations. Conclusion Sorry for such a long read. Let me summarize... I am nowhere near where I was back in SC2 vanilla. My tactics are a product of an experienced SC2 vanilla player trying to transition into HotS. I believe this went rather well, considering how I did hit GM last season. Because my tactics are unorthodox, or my apm is low, players often do have a tendency to assume I hack. As all players, I get lucky sometimes, but I also do get unlucky oftentimes too. What you guys do not see from the submitted replays are the times when I get caught offguard with a surprise 11/11 rax build, or a surprise DT rush when I went 4 gate stalkers, or the time I sent my entire army to attack when he had a dropships filled with his entire army right outside my line of sight. I was pretty lucky with my oracle timing. If I knew that he was making a pheonix, I would have retreated the oracle safely after shield regeneration and used it for another day (revelation, or even defensively vs ground units). So in conclusion, people tend to accuse hack only when it goes against their favor. I ask that you do not accuse when I get lucky a few times, or because of my APM, or because of my unorthodox tactics. Do a comprehensive analysis, looking at various replays, before making your judgement. | ||
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duckk
United States622 Posts
On May 14 2015 01:52 [Ever]Water wrote: Hello, I want to defend myself. This may be long and in rant-form and may be tl;dr for you guys. Low APM. I receive a lot of post-game messages saying something along the lines of, "70 apm, you're obviously a hacker!" I believe most of these accusations are because of my low apm. I believe that if my APM is high, then I'd probably get less accusations because players would presume that it was simple luck instead of hacks. The reason I have low APM is because I do not spam. I have played StarCraft since around 2002, so after over a decade of StarCraft, I have what I believe to be carpal tunnel syndrome. Therefore, I try to preserve my wrists as much as I can (so I can play more StarCraft for the many years to come). This means that my APM early game is generally sub-fifty. When I micro, or during emergency situations, my APM does spike to 200+. However, I do my best to minimize my clicks. Therefore, the reason I have low APM is not because I am staring at the keyboard, figuring how to hotkey or move my units, it's a deliberate and conscious decision to preserve my wrists. Experience and Skill When I started playing Beta (hacks conclusively did not exist in beta), I was one of the top gamers in the NA server. I hit #1 several times and my MMR was high enough to regularly play pros. For example, here's one with idra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTTkrC6wxms . In fact, if I wasn't so caught up with my 12+ hour work schedule, I may have considered training to go pro. After over a decade of StarCraft, one does get familiar with mindgames and metagaming. I do not monotonously do build orders, throw my units at the enemy, and move on from there. I do try to predict what the enemy will go after he or she scouts my units. Furthermore, scouting is often done by them scouting. For example, when I see an overseer, I know there is a lair tech. If he makes a reaper, I know that he likely went fast expo or will transition to widow mines. I factor in their previous behavior as well. For example, if I never saw a player do cheese, I may not scout for proxies (or be less thorough when I do). If the player almost always does cheese, I will scrupulously check for proxies and scout early. Weird and Unorthodox I took a year-and-a-half break and recently started playing HOTS in January. Part of the reason I quit was because I was upset at the balancing (pheonix before pheonix buff/upgrades vs mutas; before infestors were nerfed; reapers before MSC's/nerf; etc). When I started playing again in January. I lost all of my previous contacts and was completely lost in HotS buildorders and metagaming. Furthermore, I was really busy studying and was quite burnt out so I didn't have the time or diligence to carefully study build orders and learn everything the way I used to. I simply gamed and improvised. Learned some basics from streams, but generally did my own thing. PvZ, I almost always do a 10 gate opening to deny early hatch with a follow up cannon rush. Zerg often accuse me of hacking because the 10 gate stops both an early pool and an early hatch. However, I do this consistently 95% of my games. Furthermore, my scouting is not as refined as it should be. Pros tend to time their sentries and time their hallucinations so they can catch timing rushes. I simply am not there yet because I prefer to use the 100 gas for earlier tech. I think this is another reason why people think I hack. I scout with conventional SC2 vanilla tactics (because technically I played HoTs for only about 4 months or so). Therefore, I use the probe and the observer to do most of my scouting, drawing the rest from inferences as we had to back in SC2 vanilla days, before the MSC and free hallucinations. Conclusion Sorry for such a long read. Let me summarize... I am nowhere near where I was back in SC2 vanilla. My tactics are a product of an experienced SC2 vanilla player trying to transition into HotS. I believe this went rather well, considering how I did hit GM last season. Because my tactics are unorthodox, or my apm is low, players often do have a tendency to assume I hack. As all players, I get lucky sometimes, but I also do get unlucky oftentimes too. What you guys do not see from the submitted replays are the times when I get caught offguard with a surprise 11/11 rax build, or a surprise DT rush when I went 4 gate stalkers, or the time I sent my entire army to attack when he had a dropships filled with his entire army right outside my line of sight. I was pretty lucky with my oracle timing. If I knew that he was making a pheonix, I would have retreated the oracle safely after shield regeneration and used it for another day (revelation, or even defensively vs ground units). So in conclusion, people tend to accuse hack only when it goes against their favor. I ask that you do not accuse when I get lucky a few times, or because of my APM, or because of my unorthodox tactics. Do a comprehensive analysis, looking at various replays, before making your judgement. After receiving 10-15 replays of this guy and then sniping him a few games to test a few things I can 100% confirm he hacks. If anyone wants a long version feel free to pm me. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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[Ever]Water
3 Posts
On May 14 2015 05:46 duckk wrote: After receiving 10-15 replays of this guy and then sniping him a few games to test a few things I can 100% confirm he hacks. If anyone wants a long version feel free to pm me. Yeah, I'd like to see your so-called proof. I was streaming all of our games btw. http://spawningtool.com/replays/?tag=1879 Here's my replay pack, let me know if you need more. | ||
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Original_Air
1 Post
On April 30 2015 16:01 Look_alike64 wrote: Hacker Name: Katsumi Server: EU League: Platinum (liberty) Profile: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/6240480575057035264 15:30 - he doesn't saw my drop, but ready for it 19:20 - catch my drop at the middle of the map 21:00 - catch my one more drop at the left side of the map 25:00 - goes lings to kill my 5-th base never scout, saw nothing... this is not my first game vs this player http://ggtracker.com/matches/5955063 Yeah, I played him 5 games today. Confirmed. He is hacking. Not interested in xelnagas, knows every probe location, build etc. I checked my replays. Did you report him? Always report. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On May 14 2015 05:56 [Ever]Water wrote: Yeah, I'd like to see your so-called proof. I was streaming all of our games btw. http://spawningtool.com/replays/?tag=1879 Here's my replay pack, let me know if you need more. Good job Water :-) | ||
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