Defensively, I think the queen buff is unnecessary. However, it makes offensive queen strats more viable, which should be fun. Problem is still that they take up too much space and spread out too slowly, so I'm not sure if I'm ready to declare them superior to the roach.

mizore

40 Posts

May 11 2012 13:17 GMT

#1326

Don't worry, I'm sure talentless schmucks like forgg were just being abusers with their overpowered hellion builds and now that true balance is shining post patch players like fitzyhere can finally bring the noise that they've been oh so held back from doing in what was an otherwise unbalanced game.

Oh wait...

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

May 11 2012 13:49 GMT

#1327

Queens are still doing 2 shots per atack.

Other question is how many upgrade gives to queen. Yes, every upgrade gives to queens +2 damage. Same, as before

sivi0003

Sweden4 Posts

May 11 2012 13:57 GMT

#1328

Ovi speed is okay.
Obs build time okay.
Queen ground-to-ground boost is unusually retarded, in my opinion.

Cereb

Denmark3388 Posts

May 11 2012 14:10 GMT

#1329

On May 11 2012 18:30 Perseverance wrote:

Show nested quote +

Technically Z was OP first...if you count the state of Roaches in the beta haha, I sure do miss those days ><

Anyway, I look forward to these changes...it really gives me motivation to start playing again. ^^ Anyone got an hour count until this thing goes live?

Ha! Those good ol' days

I still feel like the roach would have been a better 1 food unit. I wish they would just have given it a big damage nerf instead so it'd be easier to flod the screen with zerg units

On another note, why do EU have to wait one more #%¤/"! day for every single patch to hit?! I'm calling racism!

Gajarell

Germany29 Posts

May 11 2012 14:23 GMT

#1330

If you want to have fun, write down the name of every terran in this thread posting stuff along those lines of "no hellions ever again, tvz is unplayable now, never deny a creep tumor again, free wins for z in gsl etc" and every single time they post in balance thread remind them of how fucking wrong they have been before.

Instead of "okay i may need to adjust x, let's see how this plays out or i *calculated* and can *verify*" just going "*mental breakdown* its over, never again sc2" ashames me to be part of this community.

Match

215 Posts

May 11 2012 14:23 GMT

#1331

On May 11 2012 22:49 Existor wrote:
Queens are still doing 2 shots per atack.

Other question is how many upgrade gives to queen. Yes, every upgrade gives to queens +2 damage. Same, as before

Ah, alright. Thanks. I thought it was one shot per attack.

DooMDash

United States1015 Posts

May 11 2012 14:29 GMT

#1332

On May 11 2012 23:23 Gajarell wrote:
If you want to have fun, write down the name of every terran in this thread posting stuff along those lines of "no hellions ever again, tvz is unplayable now, never deny a creep tumor again, free wins for z in gsl etc" and every single time they post in balance thread remind them of how fucking wrong they have been before.

Instead of "okay i may need to adjust x, let's see how this plays out or i *calculated* and can *verify*" just going "*mental breakdown* its over, never again sc2" ashames me to be part of this community.

What about the ones who are complaining about it but not to that extreme? I think there are plenty of valid complaints about it, you can't just look at the people who are over reacting. It really is a bad change IMO, even if it doesn't make hellions useless ect.

awesomoecalypse

United States2235 Posts

May 11 2012 14:34 GMT

#1333

I think giving Queens +1 range would have been sufficient, but otherwise a good patch.

Maluk

France987 Posts

May 11 2012 14:38 GMT

#1334

If I may add my 2 cents to this conversation, in my opinion the big fail of this fake patch is the queens' new attack animation... It is so ridiculous that it prevented me from switching to zerg after the buff. Lol.

DooMDash

United States1015 Posts

May 11 2012 14:39 GMT

#1335

On May 11 2012 23:34 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I think giving Queens +1 range would have been sufficient, but otherwise a good patch.

This is really the most confusing part of the buff. I can understand them trying out 4 range, but not jumping right to 5.

niilzon

Belgium105 Posts

May 11 2012 15:02 GMT

#1336

Are speed-upgraded overlords affected by the speed change ? :O

FairForever

Canada2392 Posts

May 11 2012 15:05 GMT

#1337

On May 12 2012 00:02 niilzon wrote:
Are speed-upgraded overlords affected by the speed change ? :O

No.

TheBanana

Norway2183 Posts

May 11 2012 15:05 GMT

#1338

I just saw a queen spitting a Zealot to death on Creators stream, I did not enjoy this.

Edit: Actually it scared me a little.

awesomoecalypse

United States2235 Posts

May 11 2012 15:22 GMT

#1339

The Queen buff is really going to make gasless expand builds a lot more stable and powerful, and given their economic strength, its hard to know why Z players who wants to play a macro game wouldn't use them almost exclusively--that style is already very strong economically, safe against most air harass, and not too weak against most ground pushes, but its about to become a lot less vulnerable on the ground for the early stages of the game, seems like an easy way to ensure you head into the midgame in good shape, and we all know Zerg is very solid when they can get into the mid and late game without taking too much damage early.

Doganaws

Italy52 Posts

May 11 2012 15:23 GMT

#1340

Basically ther's NOTHING to *calculate* or *verify*. +2 range so no more Queen kiting w Hellions and/or Reapers => no more early game harassment w this units (unless you have pro player micro-control). No one whines or QQ just without reason. Low level players you're ASHAMED of will have troubles dealing with tis and (maybe) less fun.

Every pach i see is triing to reach the goal of turning someone from a bronze player to GM within 2 days (Terran player obviousely):

- no tier 3 units for late game
- ultra difficoult marine management against some specific units
- no more early game pressure vs some races

And thees are just FACTS