Patch 1.4.3.2 - Page 65

On May 11 2012 16:40 covetousrat wrote:
So is Queens ground attack now range or melee? Does Guardian Shield affects it?

On May 11 2012 10:58 Gackt_ wrote:
Zergs have been struggling a LONG time. They always struggle with something.

The queen buff is supposed to help the Zerg out vs cheesy bunkerrushes, hellions kiting around for years etc. Sometimes (alot of times...) when this occurs it's a less skilled player that plays Terran and a stronger player that plays Zerg and thanks to the easy control of hellions, etc and weak earlygame units the Zerg has the worse player goes out as a winner..in this case a pretty bad T player could take a game vs a very good Z player WAY easier than a weak Z player could take a game from a stronger T player. And thats simply a fact, we all know it, it's taboo to talk about but Im getting quite tired of it. It is harder to survive as a Zerg than attacking as a Terran all the time.

They buff the queen to prevent worse players to win simply by imbalance or at least even it out a bit.. The bunkerrushes are almost free and the hellion harass can end up winning the entire game, and if the hellion harass fails u dont have a problem coming back into the game (compared to a failed banlingbust that in 99% of the cases is a certain loss for a Zerg). Those kind of cheesy openings takes less skill and they could win you a game which is in fact just wrong. None can deny that.

On May 11 2012 14:37 xOny wrote:


k good bye, no one will miss another generic whining terran who thinks protoss is OP. just a dime a dozen, and a really annoying dozen.

when will people learn the game is balanced around the pro-level and in the pro-level terrans are doing just fine. they're not going to balance the game to make it easier for you in your plat league cause you lack skill. that would be a terrible and casual way to design a competitive game.

On May 11 2012 17:31 Gigaschatten wrote:
Very entertaining thread. Ultra-Slow Overlords are now slow and Queens can have a longer attack-range whilst still doing minimal damage and more or less serving as Meat-Shields.

I even can not understand the terrans. place 4 Hellions outside the creep. Do a scan, dive in and kill the tumors. I guarantee you that you won't loose a Hellion. It will be only damaged. Get back, repair, start again.

Is that too much? Easy going. The queen got a bit stronger and can defend against all kind of early cheeses a tiny bit better (especially vs bunkers - yes) but thats fine. Stop whining and enjoy the game.

On May 11 2012 17:43 xUnSeEnx wrote:
Hey terrans, Do we have any more all-ins we can do early game? I think we should vote for scv rushing every game. Then blizzard will nerf scv damage and health.

All early aggressive builds are denied, therefore, TvZ will soon be like TvP (almost near impossible late game).

On May 11 2012 17:50 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:


Hm hopefully this might mean some kind of a buff for T late game though! Although the change is not that huge, it still is significant enough that now it is possible to buff Terran late game to make up for it (especially cus of TvP's state imo -- they already buffed observers by 10 seconds so that's gonna help a lot vs terran aggression/all-ins, so it seems we shall just wait for blizzard to figure out what should be tweaked, as they did say they are keeping a close eye on things).

On May 11 2012 17:43 xUnSeEnx wrote:
Hey terrans, Do we have any more all-ins we can do early game? I think we should vote for scv rushing every game. Then blizzard will nerf scv damage and health.

All early aggressive builds are denied, therefore, TvZ will soon be like TvP (almost near impossible late game).

On May 11 2012 17:57 locant wrote:
i cant understand why protoss and zerg players purely come to this thread to bash on terran players. We have been nerfed in the last 3 patches while the other races get stronger yet there are no signs of this trend stopping...

Personally i dont really care for the changes as im not a fan of hellions its just the attitude of Z and P players which gets me

On May 11 2012 17:41 Ktk wrote:


So we're losing 300 minerals every 30 seconds to kill creep (mineral cost: 600 minerals)? Scanning repeatedly is not sustainable;;

Going back to repair? Also unfeasible on several maps just because of sheer travel distance. By the time the hellions come back on daybreak the Zerg would be at least a tumor advanced... And there's nothing you could've done about it with the units at hand without allining?

The overlord buff: Messed around with zerg, no difficulties in scouting everything in the base. It sometimes cost me the overlord but boy was it worth it! Now all the races can scout everything: obs (25/75), overlord (100/supply), scan (300/OC)

The patch just drives further the concept that Blizzard is trying to get everyone to realize, be really active early-game as Terran. .. IMO, easier said than done, since the effort your opponent has to put in is proportional to how much you demand of them right?

And I think 2rax is still viable but you're gonna see this a lot less often now?

On May 11 2012 17:57 locant wrote:
i cant understand why protoss and zerg players purely come to this thread to bash on terran players. We have been nerfed in the last 3 patches while the other races get stronger yet there are no signs of this trend stopping...

Personally i dont really care for the changes as im not a fan of hellions its just the attitude of Z and P players which gets me

On May 11 2012 17:37 xUnSeEnx wrote:
Plain and simple, I agree I was whinning, however, the game is not "balanced". You can lose even if you are the better player in TvP. Why is it I can switch to Z or P and rofl stomp? This game was and still is poorly design and garbage.

On May 11 2012 18:20 -Archangel- wrote:

I would have rather Zerg was OP from the start and then slowly being nerfed for 2 years then being UP and slowly being made stronger (or other races nerfed). Then I would have been in your situation. You had your 2 years of OP, now L2P.