EPTOn May 10 2012 11:23 iNcontroL wrote:
BUNKER NOT CHANGED? Check hidden notes..
BUNKER NOT CHANGED? Check hidden notes..
I bet they are going to add interest to bunkers in HotS thanks to SotG's brilliant idea :D
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Sylverin
United States480 Posts
I bet they are going to add interest to bunkers in HotS thanks to SotG's brilliant idea :D | ||
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
The queen change is way too much in my opinion. Just watching some games it makes such a massive difference against so many things. Marines can no longer hop out of bunkers to harass Queens I can't stop loling everytime one of you guys cries that bunker rushes are becoming harder. God forbid that build that can basicly end game at start becomes harder to execute. Blizzard intention with queen's buff was to buff early game zvt, couse you know, zerg have problems early game zvt. Energy was a bit extreme, but this is fine. Great job. | ||
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zEnVy
United States446 Posts
"Wow look at him go!" "I'm going to have to put racing stripes on him!" Was good for a chuckle. /off topic | ||
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M7Jagger
Sweden237 Posts
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:00 Narw wrote: Blizzard intention with queen's buff was to buff early game zvt, couse you know, zerg have problems early game zvt. Energy was a bit extreme, but this is fine. Great job. They did? | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
I can't believe the balance guys are that stupid. Good thing there's no Zergs left in GSL, would have been an auto-win. | ||
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:13 Zheryn wrote: All changes that nerfs all kind of very early attacks are good. Why is that exactly? Watching macro games is fun, but so is watching early pressure, and it's honestly necessarily for Terran.... Maybe because Z and P don't need to force as much pressure to get ahead or break even they don't understand why this buff is so huge. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:38 Mordiford wrote: The queen change is way too much in my opinion. Just watching some games it makes such a massive difference against so many things. Marines can no longer hop out of bunkers to harass Queens. Hellions can't touch Queens anymore, not to mention Reapers being unable to do anything. It's just too much. Watching Ganzi's stream and the difference is night and day. All sorts of rushes/pressure will be nullified. It's not that bad if all it does is remove a few options Terran has, but zergs will just be more greedy as the meta game shifts. I definitely think 5 range is way over doing it. Theres virtually no micro required. | ||
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wheelchairs
United States145 Posts
I play terran and I'm looking forward to it because 80% of pro tvz i watch is reactor hellion expands, this will at least change things up hopefully and make zergs able to defend them better. Plus queens are very slow and do minimal damage, so why is a range increase that big of a deal. They want queens to be more effective in early battles, and zerg needs it. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:19 wheelchairs wrote: i dont understand why everyone is whining about this queen change. Obviously blizzard sees a zerg weakness and is wanting to fix it. Imo they want zergs to be able to spread creep and take 3rd more effectively. Blizzard has always said that zerg is a race expected to need to run off more bases than thier opponent. FE w/ reactor hellions allows terran 2 base while denying zergs 3rd base on some maps, making it 2v2 bases, which is bad for zerg, they obviously didn't want this abuse happening anymore, and zerg is weak right now in the pro scene anyway so who cares? I play terran and I'm looking forward to it because 80% of pro tvz i watch is reactor hellion expands, this will at least change things up hopefully and make zergs able to defend them better. Plus queens are very slow and do minimal damage, so why is a range increase that big of a deal. They want queens to be more effective in battle. Because it's a dumb unnecessary change that only serves to remove gameplay depth? This buff does basically nothing vs the type of all-ins that Blizzard claims they are trying to prevent. All it does is remove depth and make it stupidly easy to spread creep. It just makes their balance team look incompetent. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:19 wheelchairs wrote: i dont understand why everyone is whining about this queen change. Obviously blizzard sees a zerg weakness and is wanting to fix it. Imo they want zergs to be able to spread creep and take 3rd more effectively. Blizzard has always said that zerg is a race expected to need to run off more bases than thier opponent. FE w/ reactor hellions allows terran 2 base while denying zergs 3rd base on some maps, making it 2v2 bases, which is bad for zerg, they obviously didn't want this abuse happening anymore, and zerg is weak right now in the pro scene anyway so who cares? I play terran and I'm looking forward to it because 80% of pro tvz i watch is reactor hellion expands, this will at least change things up hopefully and make zergs able to defend them better. Plus queens are very slow and do minimal damage, so why is a range increase that big of a deal. They want queens to be more effective in battle. It has been more common to see reactor hellion double expand, really. Zergs are figuring out ways to take third bases against that, but this buff should help for certain. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On May 11 2012 08:30 RogerChillingworth wrote: new ground-to-ground attack animation looks like the ground-to-air attack animation. spittin dem needles Oh okey, nvm then  | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:15 DooMDash wrote: Why is that exactly? Watching macro games is fun, but so is watching early pressure, and it's honestly necessarily for Terran.... Maybe because Z and P don't need to force as much pressure to get ahead or break even they don't understand why this buff is so huge. Yeah Terran is the only race to get so many early game pressure nerfs, except protoss and the warpgate change, and yet blizzard tells Terrans to win by doing damage in the early game and removes late game options...sigh. | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
goodbye effective pressure expands, hello marine/tank 2base timings. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:07 TuElite wrote: Well, this patch killed SC2 for me as a Terran player. Calling it quit and moving on. I can't believe the balance guys are that stupid. Good thing there's no Zergs left in GSL, would have been an auto-win. On May 11 2012 07:11 TeeTS wrote: I think people don't get the main point here. the Queen as unit is becoming way too powerful. A queen has a lot of hp, is neither armored nor light, so NOTHING gets additional dmg against them. They can heal, larva inject and spread creep. They have a good air attack. The only thing they didn't have was a useful ground attack. With range 5 they got it now. The unit is way to versatile for a tier 1 minerals only unit. I see massing queen becoming a viable strat, both in early and in lategame. In the early game the unit is way too powerful against zerglings and marines now. (zealots will not suffer that much, since their armor of 1 helps out alot!). In the lategame they heal those high HP endgame units like Broodlords and Ultralisks. It's becoming like a nobrainer now, more queens = better (against Terran and Zerg). This patch is just fucking up the game. I wouldn't believe it's true, but blizzard fucked up quite a bit lately. On May 11 2012 06:47 bObA wrote: I dont think so. It is the first time I tell that but now it's the last straw that broke the camel's back.... my 1v1 rank : http://sc2ranks.com/team/17486483 people certainly don't overreact to minor changes. and certainly if you lose now the reason is probably because blizzard hates you. not because of anything you did, you're amazing and the game needed no changes, they already achieved perfect balance! god it's such a pain to make adjustments to your play, like not go overlord hunting, or not be overaggressive with hellions. in fact hellions are completely useless now, just like reapers, bunker rushes, and marines. and attacking. zerg is immune to attacking dont attack zerg | ||
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
Faster Obs build time is completely unneeded. On May 11 2012 10:39 Zelniq wrote: a couple of posts from the last couple pages: people certainly don't overreact to minor changes. and certainly if you lose now the reason is probably because blizzard hates you. not because of anything you did, you're amazing and the game needed no changes, they already achieved perfect balance! god it's such a pain to make adjustments to your play, like not go overlord hunting, or not be overaggressive with hellions. in fact hellions are completely useless now, just like reapers, bunker rushes, and marines. and attacking. zerg is immune to attacking dont attack zerg Last game I did a hellion runby against a horrible Zerg opponent, but the Queens which were out of position at the time fucking wrecked it because 5 range lets them cover every angle. If he makes a crucial mistake why is he not punished for it anymore? Its the same as me leaving my depot wall down and letting lings in, except I lose most of my SCVs and but he loses 4 drones. | ||
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Protosnake
France295 Posts
You dont make hellion to kill queen. You make them to get map control, deny creep and destroy mineral and the patch isnt gonna change anything about it (They'll take 2hit from a queen every time they deny a creep tumor, big fucking deal) | ||
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