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Sylverin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States480 Posts
May 11 2012 00:40 GMT
#1181
On May 10 2012 11:23 iNcontroL wrote:
BUNKER NOT CHANGED? Check hidden notes..

I bet they are going to add interest to bunkers in HotS thanks to SotG's brilliant idea :D
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Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
May 11 2012 00:55 GMT
#1182
So are they applying it do EU in 5 minutes? Just got message "system shutting down in 5 minutes".
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
May 11 2012 00:55 GMT
#1183
So I guess if Blizzard gives only +1 to queens, it'd be fairer. Also there is some kiting involved.
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:02:14
May 11 2012 01:00 GMT
#1184
The queen change is way too much in my opinion. Just watching some games it makes such a massive difference against so many things.

Marines can no longer hop out of bunkers to harass Queens


I can't stop loling everytime one of you guys cries that bunker rushes are becoming harder. God forbid that build that can basicly end game at start becomes harder to execute.

Blizzard intention with queen's buff was to buff early game zvt, couse you know, zerg have problems early game zvt. Energy was a bit extreme, but this is fine. Great job.
zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
May 11 2012 01:01 GMT
#1185
As somebody who plays all races but was bummed out by the changes in the patch, It did result in me laughing my ass of while laddering. First game of the day is against a zerg player:

"Wow look at him go!"
"I'm going to have to put racing stripes on him!"

Was good for a chuckle.

/off topic
M7Jagger
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden237 Posts
May 11 2012 01:04 GMT
#1186
Im so glad blizzard is actully making it possible for terran to win a tvp.
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DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:06:51
May 11 2012 01:06 GMT
#1187
On May 11 2012 10:00 Narw wrote:

Blizzard intention with queen's buff was to buff early game zvt, couse you know, zerg have problems early game zvt. Energy was a bit extreme, but this is fine. Great job.

They did?
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TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:10:26
May 11 2012 01:07 GMT
#1188
Well, this patch killed SC2 for me as a Terran player. Calling it quit and moving on.

I can't believe the balance guys are that stupid. Good thing there's no Zergs left in GSL, would have been an auto-win.
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Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
May 11 2012 01:13 GMT
#1189
All changes that nerfs all kind of very early attacks are good. Changes that improve early game scouting is also good since games where one player win due to hiding some early all in is just a boring part of the game. The only sad part about this change is that it will be harder for protoss to scout us, altho zerg all ins are so crappy anyway. Observer build time decrease is nice, easier early game scouting. It would be awesome to ladder if there was a global maphack enabled first 5 minutes of every game.
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DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
May 11 2012 01:15 GMT
#1190
On May 11 2012 10:13 Zheryn wrote:
All changes that nerfs all kind of very early attacks are good.

Why is that exactly? Watching macro games is fun, but so is watching early pressure, and it's honestly necessarily for Terran....

Maybe because Z and P don't need to force as much pressure to get ahead or break even they don't understand why this buff is so huge.
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rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:20:17
May 11 2012 01:18 GMT
#1191
On May 11 2012 09:38 Mordiford wrote:
The queen change is way too much in my opinion. Just watching some games it makes such a massive difference against so many things.

Marines can no longer hop out of bunkers to harass Queens. Hellions can't touch Queens anymore, not to mention Reapers being unable to do anything.

It's just too much.


Watching Ganzi's stream and the difference is night and day. All sorts of rushes/pressure will be nullified. It's not that bad if all it does is remove a few options Terran has, but zergs will just be more greedy as the meta game shifts. I definitely think 5 range is way over doing it. Theres virtually no micro required.
wheelchairs
Profile Joined February 2010
United States145 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:26:14
May 11 2012 01:19 GMT
#1192
i dont understand why everyone is whining about this queen change. Obviously blizzard sees a zerg weakness and is wanting to fix it. Imo they want zergs to be able to spread creep and take 3rd more effectively. Blizzard has always said that zerg is a race expected to need to run off more bases than thier opponent. FE w/ reactor hellions allows terran 2 base while denying zergs 3rd base on some maps, making it 2v2 bases, which is bad for zerg, they obviously didn't want this abuse happening anymore, and zerg is weak right now in the pro scene anyway so who cares?

I play terran and I'm looking forward to it because 80% of pro tvz i watch is reactor hellion expands, this will at least change things up hopefully and make zergs able to defend them better.

Plus queens are very slow and do minimal damage, so why is a range increase that big of a deal. They want queens to be more effective in early battles, and zerg needs it.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:25:55
May 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#1193
On May 11 2012 10:19 wheelchairs wrote:
i dont understand why everyone is whining about this queen change. Obviously blizzard sees a zerg weakness and is wanting to fix it. Imo they want zergs to be able to spread creep and take 3rd more effectively. Blizzard has always said that zerg is a race expected to need to run off more bases than thier opponent. FE w/ reactor hellions allows terran 2 base while denying zergs 3rd base on some maps, making it 2v2 bases, which is bad for zerg, they obviously didn't want this abuse happening anymore, and zerg is weak right now in the pro scene anyway so who cares?

I play terran and I'm looking forward to it because 80% of pro tvz i watch is reactor hellion expands, this will at least change things up hopefully and make zergs able to defend them better.

Plus queens are very slow and do minimal damage, so why is a range increase that big of a deal. They want queens to be more effective in battle.


Because it's a dumb unnecessary change that only serves to remove gameplay depth? This buff does basically nothing vs the type of all-ins that Blizzard claims they are trying to prevent. All it does is remove depth and make it stupidly easy to spread creep. It just makes their balance team look incompetent.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
May 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#1194
On May 11 2012 10:19 wheelchairs wrote:
i dont understand why everyone is whining about this queen change. Obviously blizzard sees a zerg weakness and is wanting to fix it. Imo they want zergs to be able to spread creep and take 3rd more effectively. Blizzard has always said that zerg is a race expected to need to run off more bases than thier opponent. FE w/ reactor hellions allows terran 2 base while denying zergs 3rd base on some maps, making it 2v2 bases, which is bad for zerg, they obviously didn't want this abuse happening anymore, and zerg is weak right now in the pro scene anyway so who cares?

I play terran and I'm looking forward to it because 80% of pro tvz i watch is reactor hellion expands, this will at least change things up hopefully and make zergs able to defend them better.

Plus queens are very slow and do minimal damage, so why is a range increase that big of a deal. They want queens to be more effective in battle.

It has been more common to see reactor hellion double expand, really. Zergs are figuring out ways to take third bases against that, but this buff should help for certain.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 11 2012 01:31 GMT
#1195
On May 11 2012 08:30 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 08:23 Gladiator333 wrote:
With Queen range to 5 now, will it not look incredibly ugly and unrealistic ingame? I mean not that I care I know a lot of things doesn't makes sense like shooting up a cliff, but so long range must look pretty wicked.


new ground-to-ground attack animation looks like the ground-to-air attack animation. spittin dem needles


Oh okey, nvm then
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SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
May 11 2012 01:33 GMT
#1196
On May 11 2012 10:15 DooMDash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 10:13 Zheryn wrote:
All changes that nerfs all kind of very early attacks are good.

Why is that exactly? Watching macro games is fun, but so is watching early pressure, and it's honestly necessarily for Terran....

Maybe because Z and P don't need to force as much pressure to get ahead or break even they don't understand why this buff is so huge.


Yeah Terran is the only race to get so many early game pressure nerfs, except protoss and the warpgate change, and yet blizzard tells Terrans to win by doing damage in the early game and removes late game options...sigh.
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:37:07
May 11 2012 01:35 GMT
#1197
;___; all the changes went through, and talon attack is gone.

goodbye effective pressure expands, hello marine/tank 2base timings.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:40:52
May 11 2012 01:39 GMT
#1198
a couple of posts from the last couple pages:

On May 11 2012 10:07 TuElite wrote:
Well, this patch killed SC2 for me as a Terran player. Calling it quit and moving on.

I can't believe the balance guys are that stupid. Good thing there's no Zergs left in GSL, would have been an auto-win.

On May 11 2012 07:11 TeeTS wrote:
I think people don't get the main point here. the Queen as unit is becoming way too powerful. A queen has a lot of hp, is neither armored nor light, so NOTHING gets additional dmg against them. They can heal, larva inject and spread creep. They have a good air attack. The only thing they didn't have was a useful ground attack. With range 5 they got it now. The unit is way to versatile for a tier 1 minerals only unit. I see massing queen becoming a viable strat, both in early and in lategame. In the early game the unit is way too powerful against zerglings and marines now. (zealots will not suffer that much, since their armor of 1 helps out alot!). In the lategame they heal those high HP endgame units like Broodlords and Ultralisks. It's becoming like a nobrainer now, more queens = better (against Terran and Zerg). This patch is just fucking up the game. I wouldn't believe it's true, but blizzard fucked up quite a bit lately.

On May 11 2012 06:47 bObA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:
On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...

And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???

I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....

Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....


Classic QQ...

You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more...


I dont think so.
It is the first time I tell that but now it's the last straw that broke the camel's back....


my 1v1 rank : http://sc2ranks.com/team/17486483

people certainly don't overreact to minor changes. and certainly if you lose now the reason is probably because blizzard hates you. not because of anything you did, you're amazing and the game needed no changes, they already achieved perfect balance! god it's such a pain to make adjustments to your play, like not go overlord hunting, or not be overaggressive with hellions. in fact hellions are completely useless now, just like reapers, bunker rushes, and marines. and attacking. zerg is immune to attacking dont attack zerg
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Zombo Joe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 01:43:18
May 11 2012 01:40 GMT
#1199
If this change stays I forsee Terrans going back to 1-2 base allins every game vs Zerg which is the opposite this patch is trying to accomplish lmao.

Faster Obs build time is completely unneeded.

On May 11 2012 10:39 Zelniq wrote:
a couple of posts from the last couple pages:

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 10:07 TuElite wrote:
Well, this patch killed SC2 for me as a Terran player. Calling it quit and moving on.

I can't believe the balance guys are that stupid. Good thing there's no Zergs left in GSL, would have been an auto-win.

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 07:11 TeeTS wrote:
I think people don't get the main point here. the Queen as unit is becoming way too powerful. A queen has a lot of hp, is neither armored nor light, so NOTHING gets additional dmg against them. They can heal, larva inject and spread creep. They have a good air attack. The only thing they didn't have was a useful ground attack. With range 5 they got it now. The unit is way to versatile for a tier 1 minerals only unit. I see massing queen becoming a viable strat, both in early and in lategame. In the early game the unit is way too powerful against zerglings and marines now. (zealots will not suffer that much, since their armor of 1 helps out alot!). In the lategame they heal those high HP endgame units like Broodlords and Ultralisks. It's becoming like a nobrainer now, more queens = better (against Terran and Zerg). This patch is just fucking up the game. I wouldn't believe it's true, but blizzard fucked up quite a bit lately.

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 06:47 bObA wrote:
On May 11 2012 06:26 Affluenza wrote:
On May 11 2012 06:18 bObA wrote:
yea ghosts banshees reapers helions are useless so you can cancel them blizzard...

And wtf when you write : bunker not changed ???? did you want to increase building time from 40 to 60s ? ??? Or half life points ???

I think you should cancel bunker, terran will have only barrack supply factories to make tanks and marines.
But dont forget to nerf siege mode like 300 300 and half damage and nerf marine to 20 life points and decrease dps too cause too imba....

Nothing about tvp late game but these STUPID zerg and toss buffs...
I will stop to play cause I tried to play zerg and toss but I liked terran. but with ALL the fuck.... nerfes terran sucks too much now and we havent any option in early game now and too weak in end game... I think I will stop.... thanks for all the time I lost to play and try to get better ( i am 1v1 top master in terran ) cause I am about to stop sc2....
I am disapointed and sad.... too much is too much....


Classic QQ...

You will continue to play SC2 and you will buy HotS and enjoy SC2 even more...


I dont think so.
It is the first time I tell that but now it's the last straw that broke the camel's back....


my 1v1 rank : http://sc2ranks.com/team/17486483

people certainly don't overreact to minor changes. and certainly if you lose now the reason is probably because blizzard hates you. not because of anything you did, you're amazing and the game needed no changes, they already achieved perfect balance! god it's such a pain to make adjustments to your play, like not go overlord hunting, or not be overaggressive with hellions. in fact hellions are completely useless now, just like reapers, bunker rushes, and marines. and attacking. zerg is immune to attacking dont attack zerg


Last game I did a hellion runby against a horrible Zerg opponent, but the Queens which were out of position at the time fucking wrecked it because 5 range lets them cover every angle. If he makes a crucial mistake why is he not punished for it anymore? Its the same as me leaving my depot wall down and letting lings in, except I lose most of my SCVs and but he loses 4 drones.
I am Terranfying.
Protosnake
Profile Joined September 2011
France295 Posts
May 11 2012 01:42 GMT
#1200
Feel like some people are whining for the sake of whining
You dont make hellion to kill queen. You make them to get map control, deny creep and destroy mineral and the patch isnt gonna change anything about it (They'll take 2hit from a queen every time they deny a creep tumor, big fucking deal)
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