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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:24 CajunMan wrote: QQQQQQ if your having those probs getting better is always an option. Are fucking with me just because you have nothing to do or whats your problem? It has nothing to do with me being bad or good at the game.I don't have in game problems with the colossus.I refuse to fucking use it in the first place that's how bad of a unit it is and it's 0 fun playing with it. | ||
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:12 BigBossX wrote: Well maybe if blizz were more open about HOTS and acknowledged some of the many issues people wouldn't be making posts like this? These posts exist for a reason dude ... I really don't understand why there are people on TL complaining about this... Gosi is just total right... Hopefully they do something with poor protoss army that is strong at one point and before and afterwards ... destroyed... the way zvp with mass roach timing and colossi works is total ****... and afterwards without Mothership... see me lose no game lategame zvp if the only 2 viable units are going to the C&C trashyard were in SC reality all the strange new shit belongs o0 | ||
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
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BlueLanterna
291 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:24 CajunMan wrote: QQQQQQ if your having those probs getting better is always an option. LOL way to dismiss a complaint about unit functionality with an ad hominem attack. The Colossus is a shit unit and people have been complaining about it since the beta for WoL. If you're for a unit that has no micro potential other than move back and forth, and no harassment potential by itself, and only A moves, nobody should be listening to you. | ||
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Ksi
357 Posts
Remember Blizzard's justification for increasing the cost and damage of siege tanks? They felt Terran in BW was too reliant on tanks for every matchup. The same can be said for the Colossus, except unlike siege tanks, they don't even bring the sort of positional nuance that tanks in BW did. | ||
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arsenic
United States163 Posts
Also, the Viper's ability will not be nearly as effective as Dark Swarm was in BW -- this ability only reduces your range to 1, it doesn't reduce your ranged damage to 0. It will still be good, depending on what 1 range really means, but it won't be that great, especially if you're good at splitting your units. It probably won't even be better than Fungal in most situations unless its AoE is a lot bigger. | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:22 supernovamaniac wrote: Not too sure about that. When original BW was developed, the developers made the Recall function on the arbiter for defensive purposes, not offensive. Results = the pro players never used Arbiters and instead went for more Dragoon+Zealot+High Templar into Air transition (Carriers). When players like Nal_rA started using offensive recalls, it changed the PvT of BW forever. I think defensive only recall is okay given how strong Protoss deathball is in this game. But I would also like to see recall as mid-game upgrade instead of being there every single time. It can serve 3 purposes: 1. Pull back army if things are about to go 'oh crap' (but I do agree with being caught out of position) 2. Pull back army to defend mass drop or nydus or something in that manner OR 3. Recall probes from one nexus to another to save all probes from getting wiped out. Sad part is, Protoss is balanced around Colossus. To serve the defense I can think of recall, but for offensive purposes the warp prisma should be enough. It can even drop. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:53 Mordanis wrote: I'm just afraid that they are losing their ability to make truly high quality games, and not just games that are fun for a week or so.. Yeah, you're probably right. Starcraft 2 really fizzled out since its release last week. On-topic: Somebody in the comments section actually had a really neat idea regarding the long-range missile. Have it be an AoE targeted ability with a very short cooldown and give the missile a travel speed somewhat quicker than a Seeker Missile and a moderate damage radius. This would discourage clumping because if it's targeted in the center of the death ball you have to move the whole ball to avoid it or have a chunk of units eat the damage, and it gives small groups of units the ability to dodge around the missiles. On the other hand, it would also require the terran to lead targets in order to ever hit mobile targets. I don't really understand what the point of the tempest is now. It sounds like it's nearly identical to the carrier now. If they aren't going to carve out a unique niche for it, I'd rather see them scrap that as well and just improve the carrier. Also, if it is going to so closely resemble the carrier, that only leaves the oracle bringing something new to the table. I'm OK with that provided they do something to make the colossus a more interesting unit. I think the main issue with the colossus was that they overestimated the impact that cliff walking gimmick would have. The only reason I hesitate to say, 'overhaul it,' is that I'm not really sure what they could or would do with it. As it stands, though, all it adds is a sort of 1-dimensional raw strength. Without the shredder, I can't really get behind the terran changes too much. AA spider-mines doesn't sound too atrocious, but they're just replacing one thing that terran already did with an ability that functions identically, so why do it? I'd love to see the warhound get cut and the thor to remain mostly the same (except, perhaps, with the missile mentioned above if it proves worthy of inclusion). Aside from that, they really should just go ahead and reintroduce vultures. It gives them something fresh to add to the terran arsenal for the expansion, the vulture has been proven to be a versatile unit that rewards skill, and they add more space control to the game in a way more interesting than what the shredder did. Zerg? *dance* I didn't see anything about burrow-move banes getting removed (yet), the swarm host still excites me, the viper still excites me, and the overseer is back. I can't think of anything else that I want for Zerg out of HotS; even Lurkers. Scourge would be nice, though. In retrospect, I'm thinking that Zerg not only feels more complete in HotS, but I feel as though their additions are more significant because they have more impact upon the game. The viper, for instance, is without a doubt going to be a game changer. Can the same really be said about the oracle, the tempest, or the warhound? Zerg is getting something that really shakes things up, while T and P are getting units that feel like additions or supplements rather than units that really cause huge waves. Sidegrades as opposed to upgrades, in MMO terms. | ||
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zazone
Romania460 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:44 BigBossX wrote: This has opened my eyes. Best post in this thread. Agree 100% You don't need a post to open your eyes. After I watched several games of competitive BW, even if I was a SC2 player and started with SC2, I already knew something was wrong and irreversible within the game design. Also this video shows it | ||
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Pipeline
Sweden1673 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Against Terran, I suppose you need colossi against a few certain all ins, but in general, you can win games purely off twilight and templar tech. Soooo, Blizzard please get rid of the colossus! | ||
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BigBossX
United Kingdom357 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:25 Brainling wrote: I don't care who you were responding to? I was responding to YOU, making comments about one of the most open development processes I've ever seen not being open. And I'll bet money you buy HotS. You'll say you won't, because you want to be edgy and cool, but give it a month after release, when all your friends are playing it, and you can't play games with them because they are playing HotS. You'll slink away and buy a copy and just pretend you never said you won't. It's pretty much the standard internet hipster behavior, and it repeats itself like clockwork. Lol yeah the more I read the more you convince me you are dumb, I think you should be aiming your nerd rage at the guy I WAS RESPONDING TO. Here let me qoute him again for you since you're too dumb to understand wtf is happening On April 12 2012 03:07 Forikorder wrote: people like this are the reason Blizz is so silent about HoTS Also for the record I've pretty much quit playing WOL and won't be buying HOTS unless some drastic changes are made, which looks unlikely ... soo ... I wont be buying hots... whats so hard to understand | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:26 Noocta wrote: PvT is totaly playable without them, and could as well not use them in PvZ with a few tweak so.. meh. Sure, its totally playable without them, but once Terran goes complete tech switch and see that Terran doesn't have Vikings out on the field, I would rather switch back to Colossi while trying to be annoying with HT feedbacks as much as possible. PvZ though...... If you're looking for late-game, I'd say Colossus is a must. Ignore the 6gate-7gate push. | ||
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Pyre
United States1940 Posts
"With the addition of the range upgrade on phoenix in Wings of Liberty we no longer feel like a splash anti-air weapon is necessary on the protoss" I understand the splash tempest would be to strong but pheonix aren't dominating mutas. How are voids going to fit in? They seem like a weak verision of the new tempest. Zerg seem to be getting what they need the most. Another strong spell caster, early game siege unit and late game hydra/bane upgrades assuming they stay in. | ||
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densha
United States797 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:19 Rkie wrote: From my understanding, it was both sight and firing range. Optical Flare was just sight I think. If it is what I thought it to be, I don't really see that going into release. It makes any ranged unit that gets hit by it essentially useless, and Protoss needs that range to be able to fight Zerg. All you have to do is micro out of the small AoE effect. Or, if you're Protoss, just ignore it since it doesn't work on mechanical units. Edit: Re-reading the blog, I'm not sure if it's still just a static AoE effect or an AoE spell that permanently affects units. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
I actually don't have a problem with the Defensive mass recall, it actually sounds very protoish, but definitively shouldn't just be energy based as it would feel too much like a get out of jail card.Dunno, I just feel that it would be cool to have a P using his Mass recall to be a huge deal. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:29 Big-t wrote: To serve the defense I can think of recall, but for offensive purposes the warp prisma should be enough. It can even drop. You can recall mass reavers in BW. You can't recall mass Colossus into enemy's base =P. I was only trying to point out that recall was first developed for defensive purposes, not defensive/offensive purposes. But in SC2's terms, you're completely right. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:18 Brainling wrote: The game has been out two years, and finally the player numbers are dwindling a bit. The retention rate for most games is weeks, not years. The numbers will spike back up when HotS releases and the entire casual crowd that's gotten bored and moved on to other games comes back. Believe it or not, most gamers don't play the same game for years on end. The fact that SC2 has retained as well as it has is amazing in the modern era, when the bevy of options we have as gamers is basically limitless. the playerbase has gone down since season 2. Starcraft 2 is a blizzard game after all... when you sell millions of copies and the game is an ongoing multiplayer platform the retention rate is much, much longer. It's not like some game that you beat in 20hrs of gameplay. You're right that the numbers should spike again with HoTS but none of this really matters to my point that SC2 isn't as good as it could/should be. | ||
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BigBossX
United Kingdom357 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:24 CajunMan wrote: QQQQQQ if your having those probs getting better is always an option. It isnt a matter of being good or bad, what does skill level have to do with spectating. At the end of the day the colossi is an incredibly boring unit and produces the shittest of shit games. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:30 zazone wrote: You don't need a post to open your eyes. After I watched several games of competitive BW, even if I was a SC2 player and started with SC2, I already knew something was wrong and irreversible within the game design. Also this video shows it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k3ZM6bQx4 Really? That video is from 2007, when we knew nothing about the game, and doesn't make a single valid point. Half the complaints there are about aesthetics anyway. | ||
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