EPTWell good luck with that, Kespa likes things their own way.
"e-Sports Federation" formed by SC2 teams - Page 7
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
Well good luck with that, Kespa likes things their own way. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
Why are they so controversial? The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353¤tpage=15#283 His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too. I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On March 30 2012 14:00 FXOBoSs wrote: When has slayers ever been involved with other teams? If you look throughout history, they have always done their own thing. "history" ^^ I hope it works out and some weight on the other side of the scale (KeSPA being on one side) might be good to balance out the power within the korean scene. Best of Luck to everyone. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 30 2012 16:51 OopsOopsBaby wrote: this wont work very well. it is just a name change in essense from the failed sc2con. When I read a post by FXOBoSs who was in sc2con and this esports federation saying its not sc2con, I'm gonna believe that is actually not sc2con. | ||
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
On March 30 2012 16:45 neoghaleon55 wrote: Could someone with a good grasp on esports history shed some light on KeSPA? Why are they so controversial? The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353¤tpage=15#283 His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too. I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible. Kespa = biggest South Korean corporations. Samsung, South Korea Telecom, KT, etc. now, do you think you can tell these big corporations what should be correct way to handle the integration of sc2 into their existing leagues?. is like an ant trying to negotiate with a giant, you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your teams. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On March 30 2012 16:45 neoghaleon55 wrote: Could someone with a good grasp on esports history shed some light on KeSPA? Why are they so controversial? The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353¤tpage=15#283 His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too. I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible. KeSPA was formed during the IT-boom of Southkorea where online gaming such as Starcraft became incredibly popular, riding the warpspeed of how fast online gaming and IT grew the Ministry of Culture of Sports and Tourism in 2000 declared to form a governed body whose official goal was to make e-Sports an official sporting event, and to solidify the commercial position of e-Sports in all sectors. And thus KeSPA was formed. KeSPA which consists of some of the biggest IT related companies in korea, primary role was to deal with the broadcasting of e-Sports, the formation of new events, and the conditions in which progamers work, as well as encourage the playing of video games by the general population. The decline of KeSPA's popularity started when it showed sign of "monopoly" and "abuse by power". Some of these signs included Disqualifying players for misspelling or typing wrong things when they wanted to pause during a game. Referee decisions that were viewed as "bullshit". KeSPA was also known for giving bad contract deals for the player. The players very rarely got the money they deserved for the amount of effort they put into the game. The final "straw" for most people where when KeSPA Forced GomTV to shut down it's sc1 broadcasting by forcing the SC1 players not to attend it, if they did they would be frowned down upon by KeSPA, which at that time were "esports" in Korea. Some time later it surfaced that KeSPA had ignored Blizzard and hadn't given them any profit of the business it had generated with Starcraft1. KeSPA refused to recognize Blizzards IP right for the game, if they did it meant they had to start paying Blizzard since they were using their game. around 2010 after serveal failed attempts of discussing Blizzard decided to sue KeSPA and bring them to court regarding the IP. After allot of drama the dispute ended In May 2011 when KeSPA finally recognized the IP rights of Blizzard and had made a successful negotiations. The aftermath of this is that some people are angry at KeSPA while other are not. | ||
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Marduce
Canada14 Posts
I hope that all foreign teams join. I feel like whether we acknolwedge it or not, all of the current teams (the scene in its entirity, really) are on the same side. For the amount of money KeSPA has invested/stands to make in esports in general, it would require a relatively small investment on their part to secure some very powerful assets. If players (progamers seeking better contracts) or teams (Slayers) act unilaterally the easier it will be for KeSPA to gain leverage. We don't want to be in a position where they become the 'haves' and we are the 'have nots' - then you get teams breaking rank and lining up to play ball. A complete paradigm shift like that could devastate esports - and set precedents and implications which ring far beyond Starcraft. This would be doubly true if the competition became agressive. For example, players not being permitted to compete between both the pro league and the GSL. This isn't unfathomable, UFC did it to shut down and annex both pride and strike force(competing leagues), and I would argue Dana White's stubborn commitment to that policy benefited him greatly in the rise of dominance of the UFC. All of this could be very detrimental to the healthy growth we, as both a community and an industry, have been experiencing. Remember how professional boxing died. We think it's impressive that MC has made over 200k, Tyson got paid 30M USD a fight - the point is no matter how far we've come and how big we think we've gotten it's never past the point of throwing it all away for want of a 'better deal'. The sad truth is, if KeSPA comes out guns blazing this e-sports federation is going to have to go into this with nothing less than the will to pull the plug on everything we've accomplished (ie, the globalization of competitive SC2). In industries with huge prospective growth it is an eat or be eaten mentality. | ||
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P0ckets
United States430 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:00 _Khandi_ wrote: I pray to the gods at be that this keeps Kespa in check... I would hate to see their tyranny ruin our amazing community. A day where someone can't say "gl hf =D" in a tournament is one in which I don't wanna see. Yeah god forbid some professionalism! I bet it would look real good on TV for the "outside world" and sponsors if someone would sit and chat all game like HuK did vs HerO on metalopolis some MLG last year. Is it really that big of a deal if you couldn't say "gl hf" when the game have started? You do it in the lobby chat already anyway. On March 30 2012 15:59 0neder wrote: A license is stupid, it's a barrier to entry, and nothing more. Anyone with a brain can sell real estate, but in the US you have to get a license to be 'qualified,' For some things it makes sense, but for playing video games...? It's just silly and a way to maintain control. A license can be rough to get but at the same time I like the concept. You don't need a license to play video games, you can do it when you want where you want. The license is to play video games _professionally_ in KeSPA leagues and to earn money by doing so. Just like you have to get a license for being a pro in sports. It is also a good way for up and comers to get a pro team and it's a good way for teams to get good talent. And it's a good way to keep the reality in check for people who want to become progamer. You play courage and you see what you go for. If you win, then you can stop your studies/quit job and go for it because you have guaranteed salary, team, housing and food on the table. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
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mighty_honour_korea
Scotland198 Posts
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0kz
Italy1118 Posts
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On March 30 2012 17:19 insanet wrote: the "cold wars" has begun. Storm clouds are looming. There be epic drama ahead, that which may tear the very fabric of these scenes apart. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On March 30 2012 17:20 eviltomahawk wrote: Storm clouds are looming. There be epic drama ahead, that which may tear the very fabric of these scenes apart. And so it begins... | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote: Kespa = biggest South Korean corporations. Samsung, South Korea Telecom, KT, etc. now, do you think you can tell these big corporations what should be correct way to handle the integration of sc2 into their existing leagues?. is like an ant trying to negotiate with a giant, you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams. And if foreign teams join the federation they have backing from Razer, Intel, Monster, Sound Blaster, Twitch, Steelseries, and Kingston to name a few. Tournament organizers like MLG, Dreamhack, and IEM also have a stake in this as if Kespa tries to cockblock korean players from competing in foreign tournaments it affects them. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 30 2012 17:30 karpo wrote: And if foreign teams join the federation they have backing from Razer, Intel, Monster, Sound Blaster, Twitch, Steelseries, and Kingston to name a few. Tournament organizers like MLG, Dreamhack, and IEM also have a stake in this as if Kespa tries to cockblock korean players from competing in foreign tournaments it affects them. wtf are u talking about? | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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