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Roth
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany165 Posts
March 30 2012 06:50 GMT
#101
Nice to hear. E-Sports will go on growing
Day[9] - "That stupid ice cream truck representing happiness!"
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
March 30 2012 06:50 GMT
#102
On March 30 2012 15:29 xBillehx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:25 rasers wrote:
On March 30 2012 14:57 Integra wrote:
On March 30 2012 14:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't this boil down to how KeSPA plans to potentially integrate SC2 into its line-up. By that I mean, if they intend to function regardless of the last 2-ish years, I would think GOM and Blizz would continue to give them a hard time, or at least sort of quarantine thier efforts. Blizzard has a distinct idea of the global esport-type thing they want, so I would think even if KeSPA would be amazing for the Korean scene, if it rattles the work done thus far in foreignlandia, they would provide a resistance to it.

I really don't think KeSPA is in a place to call any shots atm. Perhaps in the past they could leverage massive sponsorship relationships and infrastructure, but sponsorship has become a bit of an issue and a number of recent bumps has kind of impacted their structure a bit.

Outside Korea, they really have no leverage other than perhaps BW-fans who have respect for players and teams over the years, and inside Korea they are not in the prime so to speak.

KeSPA has no real leverage over Blizzard or SC2, period. Blizzard threatened to go to court and KeSPA folded once they understood that Blizzard were serious and instead of ignoring Blizzard they started to negotiate with Blizzard where KeSPA eventually accepted the terms that Blizzard gave them. Whatever power KeSPA might have had in SC1 is now gone. I suspect KeSPA can't do shit and has very little power about SC2 and that they now are scared shitless of Blizzard and what they would do if KeSPA did something that would displease them.

So KeSPA folded once they understood that blizzard were serious hm?.
Iam pretty sure the court thign stopped once KeSPA OGN etc asked blizzard what they understand under "IP rights" and blizzard couldnt give them any answer.

No, they met behind closed doors and soon after you saw Blizzard's logo put up around the OGN studio. That's when the court thing stopped, beyond that and what happened in their negotiations we'll probably never know.

KeSPA asked them what they understand for "IP Rights". blizzard couldnt answer them the court pretty much ended and they met behind closed doors.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
March 30 2012 06:51 GMT
#103
On March 30 2012 15:09 OrD_SC2 wrote:
This is an interesting step in Starcraft's journey. I feel compelled to share some thoughts.

When do we hear from Kespa?

Why does Blizzard get to create a situation like this and not answer to fans about it [I know they made the game, but you understand my point] Blizzard has begun an effort to place themselves in a regulatory capacity for competitive Starcraft2. Are Blizzard's negotiations with Kespa necessary because GOM's control is currently too powerful for Blizzard to exert "proper" influence on the Starcraft2 scene?

I'm excited to see a response from Gom's teams in the creation of this federation. What's fascinating is that within hours this thread has posts from team CEO's and similar, clearly this is a fulcrum moment.

Is it possible to emulate the most popular sport in the world [futbol/soccer] by internationalizing teams and organizations - creating player unions, franchise teams, multiple leagues, and International play? The marketing possibilities from that formula are huge, and I want to help make it happen.


Absolutely silly, that first part. Blizzard, as the Intellectual Property owner, is fully capable of shutting down any event, organization, or even player, that they want to - it's part of the standard EULA in nearly all software. All that is required is for Rob Pimpson to say "No." and get backed up by Browder. KeSPA already discovered this the hard way, once. To draw an analogy, look up the ruckus between "The Camarilla" (a fan organization) and White-Wolf Publishing (owner/publisher of a game). The short story is, The Cam sued WW, lost, and now WW owns the Cam lock stock and barrel. IP holders generally will do well in this way.

As for KeSPA vs. Gom + this new Federation... why couldn't it be more like the NFL/AFL relationship with the Federation subbing in as Team/Player organizations? I don't think the Federation is really "anti"KeSPA - it's more of a unified front saying "Look, we've been here and built what you're entering into; we want to ensure that our interests are at the least heard."

Come to think of it, that seems like what you are saying with the football (real) analogy you're making. Whereas I said the same thing with football (US) terms. In any case, never worry about the "influence" Blizzard has - they can (if they choose) do whatever they want.
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
March 30 2012 06:51 GMT
#104
On March 30 2012 15:46 Pleiades wrote:
My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time.

Yeah. Those rules need to go if SC2 is going to grow.

Btw, is the OGN LoL competition sanctioned by KeSPA or is it just run by OGN and their partners?

Coz if they're willing to start a tournament to accommodate non KeSPA pro-teams, they very likely might do the same for SC2. Even if they're not the ones sanctioning it, OGN LoL could set a precedent for them to open up.
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-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
March 30 2012 06:52 GMT
#105
cool, so E-sports federation is like a moat around our SC2 Castle filled with deadly team-coach sharks to snatch any shady kespa invaders that might try to take advantage of our precious sc2 teams?? sweet!

No really, it's cool that the teams despite their competitiveness throughout the GSL can band together in order to ensure SC2 doesn't become dominated by a new tyrant that kespa could try to be in SC2.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:56:10
March 30 2012 06:55 GMT
#106
Tbh, I think this federation would accomplish nothing - this is because they have no power and only limited influence. With Kespa, they definitely had power.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
March 30 2012 06:55 GMT
#107
On March 30 2012 15:46 Pleiades wrote:
My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time.

Yeah fuck that not every random guy can roll in and play the tournaments. fuck that they first have 2 proof that they are good enough right?
srsly? stupid rules and u say progaming license?
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:59:29
March 30 2012 06:56 GMT
#108
If they get backed up by Blizzard, this would make the "move" much stronger. I for one fully agree with this. It's the right thing to do considering......let's say KeSPA's history....and Blizzard should join them in this. They should also protect the values
that helped grow this game to what it's now!

I would personally like to see more and more teams to join this "uninon". I can't help but feel a bit scared because of this news. Seems like a huge war is coming
U MAD BRO?
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
March 30 2012 06:59 GMT
#109
On March 30 2012 15:55 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:46 Pleiades wrote:
My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time.

Yeah fuck that not every random guy can roll in and play the tournaments. fuck that they first have 2 proof that they are good enough right?
srsly? stupid rules and u say progaming license?

A license is stupid, it's a barrier to entry, and nothing more. Anyone with a brain can sell real estate, but in the US you have to get a license to be 'qualified,' For some things it makes sense, but for playing video games...? It's just silly and a way to maintain control.
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
March 30 2012 07:08 GMT
#110
Band together to stand up to the evil empire SKT as they form their own SC2 team for the SC2PL?

Sounds like a good plan!
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
March 30 2012 07:09 GMT
#111
On March 30 2012 15:55 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:46 Pleiades wrote:
My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time.

Yeah fuck that not every random guy can roll in and play the tournaments. fuck that they first have 2 proof that they are good enough right?
srsly? stupid rules and u say progaming license?


Isn't that what qualifiers are for? Imagine having to wait two more years for Boxer to come back.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
srikanth94
Profile Joined January 2011
India16 Posts
March 30 2012 07:12 GMT
#112
TL should be a part of it
if ur not google dont act like you know everything
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
March 30 2012 07:14 GMT
#113
This is probably good. I'm hoping regardless of what happens that we might someday have a similar situation with OSL / GSL that we had in BW with OSL / MSL.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
March 30 2012 07:21 GMT
#114
On March 30 2012 15:50 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:29 xBillehx wrote:
On March 30 2012 15:25 rasers wrote:
On March 30 2012 14:57 Integra wrote:
On March 30 2012 14:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't this boil down to how KeSPA plans to potentially integrate SC2 into its line-up. By that I mean, if they intend to function regardless of the last 2-ish years, I would think GOM and Blizz would continue to give them a hard time, or at least sort of quarantine thier efforts. Blizzard has a distinct idea of the global esport-type thing they want, so I would think even if KeSPA would be amazing for the Korean scene, if it rattles the work done thus far in foreignlandia, they would provide a resistance to it.

I really don't think KeSPA is in a place to call any shots atm. Perhaps in the past they could leverage massive sponsorship relationships and infrastructure, but sponsorship has become a bit of an issue and a number of recent bumps has kind of impacted their structure a bit.

Outside Korea, they really have no leverage other than perhaps BW-fans who have respect for players and teams over the years, and inside Korea they are not in the prime so to speak.

KeSPA has no real leverage over Blizzard or SC2, period. Blizzard threatened to go to court and KeSPA folded once they understood that Blizzard were serious and instead of ignoring Blizzard they started to negotiate with Blizzard where KeSPA eventually accepted the terms that Blizzard gave them. Whatever power KeSPA might have had in SC1 is now gone. I suspect KeSPA can't do shit and has very little power about SC2 and that they now are scared shitless of Blizzard and what they would do if KeSPA did something that would displease them.

So KeSPA folded once they understood that blizzard were serious hm?.
Iam pretty sure the court thign stopped once KeSPA OGN etc asked blizzard what they understand under "IP rights" and blizzard couldnt give them any answer.

No, they met behind closed doors and soon after you saw Blizzard's logo put up around the OGN studio. That's when the court thing stopped, beyond that and what happened in their negotiations we'll probably never know.

KeSPA asked them what they understand for "IP Rights". blizzard couldnt answer them the court pretty much ended and they met behind closed doors.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223866
KeSPA recognized their IP rights in the end and signed a licensing deal. Feel free to hit up this thread for a detailed history of the whole thing (more specifically the 1st, 2nd and 3rd court sessions) but spreading around the idea that Blizzard somehow dropped the lawsuit because they couldn't explain that Starcraft was it's IP is misinformation. The case was still very much active but they came to terms before the 4th session.
Taengoo ♥
Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
March 30 2012 07:29 GMT
#115
Too early to be an april fools joke,
yet the announcement doesn't actually say anything at all about the organization.
Seems to be just a bunch of korean teams joining up, great that at least Slayers isn't a part of it, I smell a huge fail incoming.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 30 2012 07:30 GMT
#116
Can't wait for the Starcraft Bowl when the E-Sports Federation Champion faces the KESPA champion.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
timestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada73 Posts
March 30 2012 07:35 GMT
#117
This is what going to kill esports. People ganging up on each other.
"whoop whoop whoop whoop" - Dr. Zoidberg
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
March 30 2012 07:36 GMT
#118
SLayers are always on the winning side, that's why they dont choose early.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 07:37:46
March 30 2012 07:36 GMT
#119
On March 30 2012 15:59 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:55 rasers wrote:
On March 30 2012 15:46 Pleiades wrote:
My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time.

Yeah fuck that not every random guy can roll in and play the tournaments. fuck that they first have 2 proof that they are good enough right?
srsly? stupid rules and u say progaming license?

A license is stupid, it's a barrier to entry, and nothing more. Anyone with a brain can sell real estate, but in the US you have to get a license to be 'qualified,' For some things it makes sense, but for playing video games...? It's just silly and a way to maintain control.

no shit Teams have control over their players. woho. and its not a video game anymore... its a job for them.

you win courage get your license and most likely get picked up by a Team. how else should the teams look for talents? just look at Bnet or some shit?

On March 30 2012 16:21 xBillehx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 15:50 rasers wrote:
On March 30 2012 15:29 xBillehx wrote:
On March 30 2012 15:25 rasers wrote:
On March 30 2012 14:57 Integra wrote:
On March 30 2012 14:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't this boil down to how KeSPA plans to potentially integrate SC2 into its line-up. By that I mean, if they intend to function regardless of the last 2-ish years, I would think GOM and Blizz would continue to give them a hard time, or at least sort of quarantine thier efforts. Blizzard has a distinct idea of the global esport-type thing they want, so I would think even if KeSPA would be amazing for the Korean scene, if it rattles the work done thus far in foreignlandia, they would provide a resistance to it.

I really don't think KeSPA is in a place to call any shots atm. Perhaps in the past they could leverage massive sponsorship relationships and infrastructure, but sponsorship has become a bit of an issue and a number of recent bumps has kind of impacted their structure a bit.

Outside Korea, they really have no leverage other than perhaps BW-fans who have respect for players and teams over the years, and inside Korea they are not in the prime so to speak.

KeSPA has no real leverage over Blizzard or SC2, period. Blizzard threatened to go to court and KeSPA folded once they understood that Blizzard were serious and instead of ignoring Blizzard they started to negotiate with Blizzard where KeSPA eventually accepted the terms that Blizzard gave them. Whatever power KeSPA might have had in SC1 is now gone. I suspect KeSPA can't do shit and has very little power about SC2 and that they now are scared shitless of Blizzard and what they would do if KeSPA did something that would displease them.

So KeSPA folded once they understood that blizzard were serious hm?.
Iam pretty sure the court thign stopped once KeSPA OGN etc asked blizzard what they understand under "IP rights" and blizzard couldnt give them any answer.

No, they met behind closed doors and soon after you saw Blizzard's logo put up around the OGN studio. That's when the court thing stopped, beyond that and what happened in their negotiations we'll probably never know.

KeSPA asked them what they understand for "IP Rights". blizzard couldnt answer them the court pretty much ended and they met behind closed doors.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223866
KeSPA recognized their IP rights in the end and signed a licensing deal. Feel free to hit up this thread for a detailed history of the whole thing (more specifically the 1st, 2nd and 3rd court sessions) but spreading around the idea that Blizzard somehow dropped the lawsuit because they couldn't explain that Starcraft was it's IP is misinformation. The case was still very much active but they came to terms before the 4th session.

Yeah well that they dropped the lawsuit was wrong sorry for that
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
March 30 2012 07:39 GMT
#120
On March 30 2012 16:30 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for the Starcraft Bowl when the E-Sports Federation Champion faces the KESPA champion.


Might happen once, but by next year GSTL and Proleague will MERGE. I can see the ending!
Someone call down the Thunder?
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