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"e-Sports Federation" formed by SC2 teams - Page 6
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Roth
Germany165 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:29 xBillehx wrote: No, they met behind closed doors and soon after you saw Blizzard's logo put up around the OGN studio. That's when the court thing stopped, beyond that and what happened in their negotiations we'll probably never know. KeSPA asked them what they understand for "IP Rights". blizzard couldnt answer them the court pretty much ended and they met behind closed doors. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:09 OrD_SC2 wrote: This is an interesting step in Starcraft's journey. I feel compelled to share some thoughts. When do we hear from Kespa? Why does Blizzard get to create a situation like this and not answer to fans about it [I know they made the game, but you understand my point] Blizzard has begun an effort to place themselves in a regulatory capacity for competitive Starcraft2. Are Blizzard's negotiations with Kespa necessary because GOM's control is currently too powerful for Blizzard to exert "proper" influence on the Starcraft2 scene? I'm excited to see a response from Gom's teams in the creation of this federation. What's fascinating is that within hours this thread has posts from team CEO's and similar, clearly this is a fulcrum moment. Is it possible to emulate the most popular sport in the world [futbol/soccer] by internationalizing teams and organizations - creating player unions, franchise teams, multiple leagues, and International play? The marketing possibilities from that formula are huge, and I want to help make it happen. Absolutely silly, that first part. Blizzard, as the Intellectual Property owner, is fully capable of shutting down any event, organization, or even player, that they want to - it's part of the standard EULA in nearly all software. All that is required is for Rob Pimpson to say "No." and get backed up by Browder. KeSPA already discovered this the hard way, once. To draw an analogy, look up the ruckus between "The Camarilla" (a fan organization) and White-Wolf Publishing (owner/publisher of a game). The short story is, The Cam sued WW, lost, and now WW owns the Cam lock stock and barrel. IP holders generally will do well in this way. As for KeSPA vs. Gom + this new Federation... why couldn't it be more like the NFL/AFL relationship with the Federation subbing in as Team/Player organizations? I don't think the Federation is really "anti"KeSPA - it's more of a unified front saying "Look, we've been here and built what you're entering into; we want to ensure that our interests are at the least heard." Come to think of it, that seems like what you are saying with the football (real) analogy you're making. Whereas I said the same thing with football (US) terms. In any case, never worry about the "influence" Blizzard has - they can (if they choose) do whatever they want. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:46 Pleiades wrote: My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time. Yeah. Those rules need to go if SC2 is going to grow. Btw, is the OGN LoL competition sanctioned by KeSPA or is it just run by OGN and their partners? Coz if they're willing to start a tournament to accommodate non KeSPA pro-teams, they very likely might do the same for SC2. Even if they're not the ones sanctioning it, OGN LoL could set a precedent for them to open up. | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
No really, it's cool that the teams despite their competitiveness throughout the GSL can band together in order to ensure SC2 doesn't become dominated by a new tyrant that kespa could try to be in SC2. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:46 Pleiades wrote: My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time. Yeah fuck that not every random guy can roll in and play the tournaments. fuck that they first have 2 proof that they are good enough right? srsly? stupid rules and u say progaming license? | ||
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
that helped grow this game to what it's now! I would personally like to see more and more teams to join this "uninon". I can't help but feel a bit scared because of this news. Seems like a huge war is coming  | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:55 rasers wrote: Yeah fuck that not every random guy can roll in and play the tournaments. fuck that they first have 2 proof that they are good enough right? srsly? stupid rules and u say progaming license? A license is stupid, it's a barrier to entry, and nothing more. Anyone with a brain can sell real estate, but in the US you have to get a license to be 'qualified,' For some things it makes sense, but for playing video games...? It's just silly and a way to maintain control. | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
Sounds like a good plan! | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:55 rasers wrote: Yeah fuck that not every random guy can roll in and play the tournaments. fuck that they first have 2 proof that they are good enough right? srsly? stupid rules and u say progaming license? Isn't that what qualifiers are for? Imagine having to wait two more years for Boxer to come back. | ||
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srikanth94
India16 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:50 rasers wrote: KeSPA asked them what they understand for "IP Rights". blizzard couldnt answer them the court pretty much ended and they met behind closed doors. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223866 KeSPA recognized their IP rights in the end and signed a licensing deal. Feel free to hit up this thread for a detailed history of the whole thing (more specifically the 1st, 2nd and 3rd court sessions) but spreading around the idea that Blizzard somehow dropped the lawsuit because they couldn't explain that Starcraft was it's IP is misinformation. The case was still very much active but they came to terms before the 4th session. | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
yet the announcement doesn't actually say anything at all about the organization. Seems to be just a bunch of korean teams joining up, great that at least Slayers isn't a part of it, I smell a huge fail incoming. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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timestep
Canada73 Posts
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:59 0neder wrote: A license is stupid, it's a barrier to entry, and nothing more. Anyone with a brain can sell real estate, but in the US you have to get a license to be 'qualified,' For some things it makes sense, but for playing video games...? It's just silly and a way to maintain control. no shit Teams have control over their players. woho. and its not a video game anymore... its a job for them. you win courage get your license and most likely get picked up by a Team. how else should the teams look for talents? just look at Bnet or some shit? On March 30 2012 16:21 xBillehx wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223866 KeSPA recognized their IP rights in the end and signed a licensing deal. Feel free to hit up this thread for a detailed history of the whole thing (more specifically the 1st, 2nd and 3rd court sessions) but spreading around the idea that Blizzard somehow dropped the lawsuit because they couldn't explain that Starcraft was it's IP is misinformation. The case was still very much active but they came to terms before the 4th session. Yeah well that they dropped the lawsuit was wrong sorry for that | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
On March 30 2012 16:30 Fionn wrote: Can't wait for the Starcraft Bowl when the E-Sports Federation Champion faces the KESPA champion. Might happen once, but by next year GSTL and Proleague will MERGE. I can see the ending! | ||
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