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_Khandi_
Profile Joined February 2012
United States14 Posts
March 30 2012 06:00 GMT
#81
I pray to the gods at be that this keeps Kespa in check... I would hate to see their tyranny ruin our amazing community. A day where someone can't say "gl hf =D" in a tournament is one in which I don't wanna see.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:02:37
March 30 2012 06:01 GMT
#82
On March 30 2012 14:58 Mordanis wrote:
Probably the biggest news of the year so far in terms of the professional sc2 scene. I hope it can sort of slow down all of the drama with things like Stephano being traded and untraded, and all of the important business stuff. Hopefully the Federation can preserve both stability and mobility. That being said, I tend to connotate Federation with autocratic/evil control (Star Wars, 2112, etc.), and I hope the new eSF can buck the trend :D

LOL. Like all the so called player "contracts" that no one apparently gives a damn about and that doesn't really have an impact on the players if they breach it. The actual outcome of breaking these contracts so far have been the Owner or coach of the player going public and crying about it. "We had a contract and you broke it, *Sob sob crying*" Funny stuff.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 30 2012 06:04 GMT
#83
All this talk about KeSPA gives me the impression that they are some evil overlord empire that's coming or something...
moo...for DRG
Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
March 30 2012 06:06 GMT
#84
On March 30 2012 15:01 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 14:58 Mordanis wrote:
Probably the biggest news of the year so far in terms of the professional sc2 scene. I hope it can sort of slow down all of the drama with things like Stephano being traded and untraded, and all of the important business stuff. Hopefully the Federation can preserve both stability and mobility. That being said, I tend to connotate Federation with autocratic/evil control (Star Wars, 2112, etc.), and I hope the new eSF can buck the trend :D

LOL. Like all the so called player "contracts" that no one apparently gives a damn about and that doesn't really have an impact on the players if they breach it. The actual outcome of breaking these contracts so far have been the Owner or coach of the player going public and crying about it. "We had a contract and you broke it, *Sob sob crying*" Funny stuff.

That's exactly the sort of thing that I'm hoping the Federation will be able to curtail. There's really no incentive to break a contract, so hopefully eSF will provide the stick to stop the bullshit. (and hows that for a mixed metaphor :D)
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OrD_SC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States247 Posts
March 30 2012 06:09 GMT
#85
This is an interesting step in Starcraft's journey. I feel compelled to share some thoughts.

When do we hear from Kespa?

Why does Blizzard get to create a situation like this and not answer to fans about it [I know they made the game, but you understand my point] Blizzard has begun an effort to place themselves in a regulatory capacity for competitive Starcraft2. Are Blizzard's negotiations with Kespa necessary because GOM's control is currently too powerful for Blizzard to exert "proper" influence on the Starcraft2 scene?

I'm excited to see a response from Gom's teams in the creation of this federation. What's fascinating is that within hours this thread has posts from team CEO's and similar, clearly this is a fulcrum moment.

Is it possible to emulate the most popular sport in the world [futbol/soccer] by internationalizing teams and organizations - creating player unions, franchise teams, multiple leagues, and International play? The marketing possibilities from that formula are huge, and I want to help make it happen.
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RIPJAWS
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:12:22
March 30 2012 06:09 GMT
#86
KESPA is an organization from brood war who put players in positions they didnt have to be in and they used there monopoly on the market to suppress any growth that they didnt want including making sure GOM never got into the broodwar scene and abused the players. now they want to take control of sc2 and blizzard and GOM shoved a massive boot up there ass good on them if they wanna play this time there gonna play fair.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
March 30 2012 06:14 GMT
#87
On March 30 2012 13:46 FXOBoSs wrote:

It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".

FXOBoSs

So...a rebel alliance is formed to combat the arrival of the Empire.

Seems a good idea, gl!
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 30 2012 06:15 GMT
#88
man i dont want another kespa fight
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
March 30 2012 06:15 GMT
#89
Sounds like someone I'd like to see succeeding.

However I really wonder if KesPA gives much of a damn :/
Hopefully they do.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
March 30 2012 06:17 GMT
#90
On March 30 2012 14:42 Pelopidas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 13:46 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hi guys,

The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".

It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.

It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.

I hope this helps.

Regards

FXOBoSs


You know that Kespa isn't anti-foreigner right? They were very accomodating to the few who were good enough to get on Korean teams. Its just that foreigners weren't good enough to actually compete in Korea. Stop this bandwagon nonsense, you have no idea how good having a regulatory body like Kespa is for Brood War. Sure they make mistakes sometimes, but they fix them. I find it funny how people always sympathize with GOM over Kespa. GOM was a league funded by Blizzard so that they could try to take over the Brood War scene and switch to SC2 easily when the time came.


They love it when foreigners join korean teams.. I know.. But the information I have so far states they are allowing Korean teams only. Could be misinformation. But that is what is being fed to me.
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FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
March 30 2012 06:23 GMT
#91
By the way.. I am not anti-kespa. I actually think such an organisation is necessary to stop attempted monopolisation of e-sports. However, the organisation as it stands is not transparent enough. It also is a threat to everything anyone has worked for in starcraft 2. For instance, they have the power (not saying they would do it) to take every single top level player in current day sc2, and put them in a kespa team. Business is a dog eat dog world, but a growing industry doesn't need that type of action from anyone.

If they can be transparent in their actions. Then I am all for it!
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rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
March 30 2012 06:25 GMT
#92
On March 30 2012 14:57 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 14:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't this boil down to how KeSPA plans to potentially integrate SC2 into its line-up. By that I mean, if they intend to function regardless of the last 2-ish years, I would think GOM and Blizz would continue to give them a hard time, or at least sort of quarantine thier efforts. Blizzard has a distinct idea of the global esport-type thing they want, so I would think even if KeSPA would be amazing for the Korean scene, if it rattles the work done thus far in foreignlandia, they would provide a resistance to it.

I really don't think KeSPA is in a place to call any shots atm. Perhaps in the past they could leverage massive sponsorship relationships and infrastructure, but sponsorship has become a bit of an issue and a number of recent bumps has kind of impacted their structure a bit.

Outside Korea, they really have no leverage other than perhaps BW-fans who have respect for players and teams over the years, and inside Korea they are not in the prime so to speak.

KeSPA has no real leverage over Blizzard or SC2, period. Blizzard threatened to go to court and KeSPA folded once they understood that Blizzard were serious and instead of ignoring Blizzard they started to negotiate with Blizzard where KeSPA eventually accepted the terms that Blizzard gave them. Whatever power KeSPA might have had in SC1 is now gone. I suspect KeSPA can't do shit and has very little power about SC2 and that they now are scared shitless of Blizzard and what they would do if KeSPA did something that would displease them.

So KeSPA folded once they understood that blizzard were serious hm?.
Iam pretty sure the court thign stopped once KeSPA OGN etc asked blizzard what they understand under "IP rights" and blizzard couldnt give them any answer.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 30 2012 06:27 GMT
#93
On March 30 2012 15:23 FXOBoSs wrote:
By the way.. I am not anti-kespa. I actually think such an organisation is necessary to stop attempted monopolisation of e-sports. However, the organisation as it stands is not transparent enough. It also is a threat to everything anyone has worked for in starcraft 2. For instance, they have the power (not saying they would do it) to take every single top level player in current day sc2, and put them in a kespa team. Business is a dog eat dog world, but a growing industry doesn't need that type of action from anyone.

If they can be transparent in their actions. Then I am all for it!


agreed. kespa isnt all bad....but they sure as hell can fix A LOT of their shit. it governs the esports community in korea with an iron fist. we could definitely use more transparency.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
March 30 2012 06:29 GMT
#94
On March 30 2012 13:54 Plexa wrote:
So is this a move prompted by being scared of Kespa?

I guess some level of protection is a good thing though

I doubt it's fear, exactly. More that they want to have a strong and consistent bargaining position when and if negotiations with Kespa do occur. The teams have always known that some sort of representative body will probably be needed at some point. Kespa's interest has simply prompted them to get on with it.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:30:04
March 30 2012 06:29 GMT
#95
On March 30 2012 15:25 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 14:57 Integra wrote:
On March 30 2012 14:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't this boil down to how KeSPA plans to potentially integrate SC2 into its line-up. By that I mean, if they intend to function regardless of the last 2-ish years, I would think GOM and Blizz would continue to give them a hard time, or at least sort of quarantine thier efforts. Blizzard has a distinct idea of the global esport-type thing they want, so I would think even if KeSPA would be amazing for the Korean scene, if it rattles the work done thus far in foreignlandia, they would provide a resistance to it.

I really don't think KeSPA is in a place to call any shots atm. Perhaps in the past they could leverage massive sponsorship relationships and infrastructure, but sponsorship has become a bit of an issue and a number of recent bumps has kind of impacted their structure a bit.

Outside Korea, they really have no leverage other than perhaps BW-fans who have respect for players and teams over the years, and inside Korea they are not in the prime so to speak.

KeSPA has no real leverage over Blizzard or SC2, period. Blizzard threatened to go to court and KeSPA folded once they understood that Blizzard were serious and instead of ignoring Blizzard they started to negotiate with Blizzard where KeSPA eventually accepted the terms that Blizzard gave them. Whatever power KeSPA might have had in SC1 is now gone. I suspect KeSPA can't do shit and has very little power about SC2 and that they now are scared shitless of Blizzard and what they would do if KeSPA did something that would displease them.

So KeSPA folded once they understood that blizzard were serious hm?.
Iam pretty sure the court thign stopped once KeSPA OGN etc asked blizzard what they understand under "IP rights" and blizzard couldnt give them any answer.

No, they met behind closed doors and soon after you saw Blizzard's logo put up around the OGN studio. That's when the court thing stopped, beyond that and what happened in their negotiations we'll probably never know.
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cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
March 30 2012 06:33 GMT
#96
Hmmm, missionstatement seems too broad, while at the same time saying nothing. Didn't think that was possible^^
Hopefully something good comes out of this.
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
March 30 2012 06:43 GMT
#97
So will this new federation be transparent? Who is in charge? Who are the powerplayers? Who are the sponsores, where is the funding coming from.
supsun
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom343 Posts
March 30 2012 06:44 GMT
#98
They need to work together to take down the atrocities that is League of Legends
Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
March 30 2012 06:46 GMT
#99
My whole feeling on this is that they don't want stupid KeSPA rules like you need a progaming license or if you're retired, you cannot come back until three years have passed since you have amateur status during that time.
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Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
March 30 2012 06:48 GMT
#100
On March 30 2012 15:44 supsun wrote:
They need to work together to take down the atrocities that is League of Legends


why? LoL is a good game and there's no reason two seperate genres can't coexist.
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