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On April 01 2012 03:00 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 02:47 eYeball wrote:On April 01 2012 02:15 Wockets wrote:On April 01 2012 02:12 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote:
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though. FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con? Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened. Not sure if the ST coach was to blame I think the person to blame was FD and Tester, ST coach simply believed them although they were wrong all along. i think FD and Tester were technically right with there grievances but at the same time there wasnt anything TSL could really do about it
No... they later retracted what they said and apologized. This is pretty much what caused the ST manager to step down from his SC2Con leader role and the eventual disbanding of SC2Con. Kinda surprised that he became the head again for v2.
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Horang2 of CJ Entus and Bogus of STX Soul confirmed practicing sc2. 
People saying that there's nothing in it for the KeSPA teams to send their players abroad, have you already forgotten about the OGN/MLG deal that's been rumored? If OGN are going to broadcast MLG in Korea, then surely the KeSPA sponsors will want to send their teams to MLG.
And also, at least in LoL OGN are really trying hard to attract the foreign community as well. If this will be the case in sc2 also, then there's not doubt that foreign sponsors will be attracted to the KeSPA teams, which will eventually lead them to searching for more exposure besides this (e.g. various foreign events).
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On April 02 2012 08:48 Eee wrote:Horang2 of CJ Entus and Bogus of STX Soul confirmed practicing sc2. People saying that there's nothing in it for the KeSPA teams to send their players abroad, have you already forgotten about the OGN/MLG deal that's been rumored? If OGN are going to broadcast MLG in Korea, then surely the KeSPA sponsors will want to send their teams to MLG. And also, at least in LoL OGN are really trying hard to attract the foreign community as well. If this will be the case in sc2 also, then there's not doubt that foreign sponsors will be attracted to the KeSPA teams, which will eventually lead them to searching for more exposure besides this (e.g. various foreign events).
Wait, + Show Spoiler +Horang and Bogus are practicing after winning group stages?
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On April 02 2012 08:53 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 08:48 Eee wrote:Horang2 of CJ Entus and Bogus of STX Soul confirmed practicing sc2. People saying that there's nothing in it for the KeSPA teams to send their players abroad, have you already forgotten about the OGN/MLG deal that's been rumored? If OGN are going to broadcast MLG in Korea, then surely the KeSPA sponsors will want to send their teams to MLG. And also, at least in LoL OGN are really trying hard to attract the foreign community as well. If this will be the case in sc2 also, then there's not doubt that foreign sponsors will be attracted to the KeSPA teams, which will eventually lead them to searching for more exposure besides this (e.g. various foreign events). Wait, + Show Spoiler +Horang and Bogus are practicing after winning group stages? that's really weird
They said that they practiced recently before the group stages during their break/vacation, since their teams got knocked out of the playoffs so there wasn't any Proleague to practice for.
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On April 02 2012 09:13 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 08:53 aRyuujin wrote:On April 02 2012 08:48 Eee wrote:Horang2 of CJ Entus and Bogus of STX Soul confirmed practicing sc2. People saying that there's nothing in it for the KeSPA teams to send their players abroad, have you already forgotten about the OGN/MLG deal that's been rumored? If OGN are going to broadcast MLG in Korea, then surely the KeSPA sponsors will want to send their teams to MLG. And also, at least in LoL OGN are really trying hard to attract the foreign community as well. If this will be the case in sc2 also, then there's not doubt that foreign sponsors will be attracted to the KeSPA teams, which will eventually lead them to searching for more exposure besides this (e.g. various foreign events). Wait, + Show Spoiler +Horang and Bogus are practicing after winning group stages? that's really weird They said that they practiced recently before the group stages during their break/vacation, since their teams got knocked out of the playoffs so there wasn't any Proleague to practice for.
Then, in the same way I practice angry birds inbetween lectures.
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On April 02 2012 08:14 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 03:00 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2012 02:47 eYeball wrote:On April 01 2012 02:15 Wockets wrote:On April 01 2012 02:12 Forikorder wrote:On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote:
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though. FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con? Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened. Not sure if the ST coach was to blame I think the person to blame was FD and Tester, ST coach simply believed them although they were wrong all along. i think FD and Tester were technically right with there grievances but at the same time there wasnt anything TSL could really do about it No... they later retracted what they said and apologized. This is pretty much what caused the ST manager to step down from his SC2Con leader role and the eventual disbanding of SC2Con. Kinda surprised that he became the head again for v2.
Indeed. FD and Tester were basically caught lying as far as I know, and the ST coach who defended FD and Tester then felt like shit for defending a lie, and saying that Coach Lee was in the wrong, even though Coach Lee was in the right. After realizing that he was not suitable to make important decisions like that, and after making a terrible mistake, he stepped down, and then SC2Con would soon after.
That's pretty much the jist of things. Honestly though, what surprised me most was that the ST coach kept FD and Tester on the team even though they were washed up, didn't practice often, and showed absolutely terrible results. Both in the bottom of Code B, losing the worst games imaginable, and neither showing dedication, he defended them and as punishment for himself wrongly defending them, he kept them on the team. (that's all my opinion of what happened, none of it is official or in any way fact. I just think that's what happened because I can't see any reason why he'd keep them on the team after knowing how much terrible baggage they carried. Also I can't remember if they were already bottom of Code B, or if they became bottom of Code B right after being recruited, but they sucked hugely already by that point)
Edit: But an organization like this is needed, and when the BW scene comes over to SC2, this organization needs to see to a smooth transition with no bias towards SC2 players, or towards BW players. SC2 players need to be protected, but not given unfair opportunities, and BW players need to be encouraged and treated properly.
Although this is needed, it was brought up upon the wrong way, as it seems very defensive and weak. Sort of in a (oh crap, we need to hurry up and do this to stop the BW players from taking over OUR scene) kinda way, even though everyone knows that the BW scene is much more professional than the SC2 scene, in pretty much every way, and in that sense the BW scene would kinda have a right to brush aside what the SC2 scene has done thus far.
Anyways, hope everything here succeeds in the right kind of way.
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Cannot wait till this one fails spectacularly like sc2con.
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I almost peed myself when I read "all Kespa has is BW players who don't know how to play sc2 properly at a high level." It must be rough ONLY having the game that invented e-Sports, in the country that did so, under the organization that solidified it.
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On April 03 2012 01:17 Game wrote:
I almost peed myself when I read "all Kespa has is BW players who don't know how to play sc2 properly at a high level." It must be rough ONLY having the game that invented e-Sports, in the country that did so, under the organization that solidified it.
THIS LOL. Not to mention the fact that said BW players (as mentioned in the featured Elephant In the Room) article will completely destroy current players. Flash/Jaedong's mechanics are probably several magnitudes better than current players' in SC2, just in sheer APM power and macro/micro training.
I feel the whole point of this organization is to try and keep current teams from completely getting overrun by the influx of SC1 players. Kespa can easily destroy the current teams- who would watch MC when you can watch a guy with literally the opposite record in SC1? It wouldn't even be close.
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On April 03 2012 01:17 Game wrote:
I almost peed myself when I read "all Kespa has is BW players who don't know how to play sc2 properly at a high level." It must be rough ONLY having the game that invented e-Sports, in the country that did so, under the organization that solidified it.
oh ya cause total noobs are such a huge asset
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I'm kind of confused about the repercussions or advantages of this happening, but hope it turns out well for SC2. Korea, thanks for taking charge and I hope KeSPA plays nice.
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On April 03 2012 01:17 Game wrote:
I almost peed myself when I read "all Kespa has is BW players who don't know how to play sc2 properly at a high level." It must be rough ONLY having the game that invented e-Sports, in the country that did so, under the organization that solidified it.
KeSPA also has Counter Strike, League of Legends, Warcraft 3, Special Forces, Kart Riders, and almost every other esport game in Korea.
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On April 03 2012 01:21 [Azn]Nada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 01:17 Game wrote:
I almost peed myself when I read "all Kespa has is BW players who don't know how to play sc2 properly at a high level." It must be rough ONLY having the game that invented e-Sports, in the country that did so, under the organization that solidified it. THIS LOL. Not to mention the fact that said BW players (as mentioned in the featured Elephant In the Room) article will completely destroy current players. Flash/Jaedong's mechanics are probably several magnitudes better than current players' in SC2, just in sheer APM power and macro/micro training. I feel the whole point of this organization is to try and keep current teams from completely getting overrun by the influx of SC1 players. Kespa can easily destroy the current teams- who would watch MC when you can watch a guy with literally the opposite record in SC1? It wouldn't even be close.
Flash could dominate, yeah, but I dont think any other player could. Just look at what happened to ForGG.
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On April 03 2012 05:57 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 01:21 [Azn]Nada wrote:On April 03 2012 01:17 Game wrote:
I almost peed myself when I read "all Kespa has is BW players who don't know how to play sc2 properly at a high level." It must be rough ONLY having the game that invented e-Sports, in the country that did so, under the organization that solidified it. THIS LOL. Not to mention the fact that said BW players (as mentioned in the featured Elephant In the Room) article will completely destroy current players. Flash/Jaedong's mechanics are probably several magnitudes better than current players' in SC2, just in sheer APM power and macro/micro training. I feel the whole point of this organization is to try and keep current teams from completely getting overrun by the influx of SC1 players. Kespa can easily destroy the current teams- who would watch MC when you can watch a guy with literally the opposite record in SC1? It wouldn't even be close. Flash could dominate, yeah, but I dont think any other player could. Just look at what happened to ForGG.
And how good was fOrGG after he won the starleague? The guy was in a slump for about three years until he decided to retire. Besides, Jaedong kept on being consistent, whilst fOrGG did not.
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On April 03 2012 05:57 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 01:21 [Azn]Nada wrote:On April 03 2012 01:17 Game wrote:
I almost peed myself when I read "all Kespa has is BW players who don't know how to play sc2 properly at a high level." It must be rough ONLY having the game that invented e-Sports, in the country that did so, under the organization that solidified it. THIS LOL. Not to mention the fact that said BW players (as mentioned in the featured Elephant In the Room) article will completely destroy current players. Flash/Jaedong's mechanics are probably several magnitudes better than current players' in SC2, just in sheer APM power and macro/micro training. I feel the whole point of this organization is to try and keep current teams from completely getting overrun by the influx of SC1 players. Kespa can easily destroy the current teams- who would watch MC when you can watch a guy with literally the opposite record in SC1? It wouldn't even be close. Flash could dominate, yeah, but I dont think any other player could. Just look at what happened to ForGG.
Let's try not to make this another BW vs Sc2 thread. ForGG is having far better results than tonnes of people who have played Sc2 since day 1, so let's try to avoid saying conclusive, divisive things without any grounding.
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2 Leagues? Will all players be able to be present in BOTH leagues??
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I don't understand the why people are concerned about the creation of this "federation". Comparisons to SC2Con are silly. SC2Con was in a terrible position because it was tasked to perform a function but given no clear outline or powers to do so.
This new group seems to simply be about leverage versus KeSPA (almost like a very loose union in a sense, without all the rules and regulations). Simply put, there's power in numbers. The teams that have built the current Korean SC2 scene want to protect what they have built and earned and have no chance of doing that as individuals.
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honestly there is an oversight body needed, but not just in korea, there needs to be a global oversight commitee. if for no reason than to have a standardized way of addressing contract disputes, and other matters that would require legal action/arbitration/mediation.
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I think the FXOBoss has a point about the Kespa being too insular. Whatever good deeds they might have done, being a sort of bureaucracy, players will have less freedom under their governance. More difficult for new comers to join, a small elite group of stars being overworked and overpaid (I know that sounds oxymoron but you get the point), etc.
Kespa requires "license" for both the teams and the players to join its leagues. Compare that to GSL, which anyone and everyone with skill can apply to and compete for. The downside is that everyone is kind of poor (except Slayers that has big seed money from big sponsers) because of limited number of leagues and there is only one winner like every other month. But still they enjoy freedom to participate in foreign tournaments and GOM seems committed to work with Blizzard to make SC2 more global, which can't be said of Kespa. (Will there even be an english broadcast, if Kespa's sponsors are not into the international market?)
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