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Ein0r
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany32 Posts
March 31 2012 15:48 GMT
#481
Let's find out which of these 3 lions will roar the loudest zzZZzz
Ich sinnlose vor mich hin und das mit Begeisterung.
Rwatkins
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United Kingdom61 Posts
March 31 2012 16:01 GMT
#482
If this federation stops KeSPa messing stuff up, I'm all for it, a global Starcraft 2 is the best starcraft 2.
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Poduh
Profile Joined June 2011
United States9 Posts
March 31 2012 16:51 GMT
#483
unfortunately this should probably have been done roughly a year ago, when current sc2 scene had all the leverage. Now that Kespa is in direct talks with Blizzard, the current scene freaks out and has to react. Too late, Kespa will once again gain dominance in Korea in my mind.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 31 2012 16:59 GMT
#484
On April 01 2012 01:51 Poduh wrote:
unfortunately this should probably have been done roughly a year ago, when current sc2 scene had all the leverage. Now that Kespa is in direct talks with Blizzard, the current scene freaks out and has to react. Too late, Kespa will once again gain dominance in Korea in my mind.

theres no point making it a year ago since there was no kspa in SC2 a year ago, its being made now because it would actually have a use now

also, i remind you of SC2con so technically it did exist a year ago
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
March 31 2012 17:05 GMT
#485
Honestly I think you could do a much better job communicating the point of this. It seems mostly defensive to me if anything, like you're worried about Kespa suddenly taking over the scene if you don't all band together to make something comparable.

If Kespa remains completely self contained then I really don't see them exerting that kind of influence over the scene, considering they're starting out with no established SC2 players. Hell, if they're self contained then people are going to care even less because it will be difficult to compare them to the current established players. Not that I'm suggesting they'll do poorly, just I'm not sure this sort of reaction is necessary.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 31 2012 17:07 GMT
#486
On April 01 2012 02:05 Beakyboo wrote:
Honestly I think you could do a much better job communicating the point of this. It seems mostly defensive to me if anything, like you're worried about Kespa suddenly taking over the scene if you don't all band together to make something comparable.

If Kespa remains completely self contained then I really don't see them exerting that kind of influence over the scene, considering they're starting out with no established SC2 players. Hell, if they're self contained then people are going to care even less because it will be difficult to compare them to the current established players. Not that I'm suggesting they'll do poorly, just I'm not sure this sort of reaction is necessary.

the point is though the current scene doesnt want them to be self contained, they want them to be a league just like any other with open qualifiers so anyone with the skill can join
Wockets
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong467 Posts
March 31 2012 17:10 GMT
#487
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 31 2012 17:12 GMT
#488
On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote:
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though.

FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con?
Wockets
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong467 Posts
March 31 2012 17:15 GMT
#489
On April 01 2012 02:12 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote:
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though.

FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con?

Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened.
Not sure if the ST coach was to blame
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
March 31 2012 17:26 GMT
#490
On March 31 2012 16:26 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I don't understand this sentiment about foreigners getting "locked out" due to kespa's sudden rise to influence. I think this idea of gomtv championing the foreigner cause is one that is wrongly made. The only reason why gomtv bothers with the foreign scene at all is because that's where the money is at. Starcraft 2 is pretty dead in Korea and BW dying a slow death. Even if BW fans suddenly become assimilated into SC2 (and that's a BIG if) that doesn't change the fact that Korea will eventually never be able to support a large starcraft scene on its own, like it has in the past. In short, Kespa NEEDS foreigners to have starcraft be viable.

What many people don't realize is that the youth culture is vastly different in Korea than what it was over a decade ago. More so than ever before, you have a veritable army of pop icons dictating to kids how they should be living, and this new pop culture is one that frowns upon staying home and playing computer games. Seoul is a city that never sleeps and the night life in Korea has only gotten better, as well as becoming even more accessible to Korean youth. This is compounded by the fact that alcohol is dirt cheap (no $8 dollar 12oz beers there, try a 2$ bottle of soju instead). 18 is the legal age to drink and is very loosely enforced. I've drank on a couple of occasions with 15-16 year old kids masquerading as adults, not that they really needed do much masquerading to begin with. More people aren't playing Starcraft because there is simply other stuff for kids to do nowadays to spend their time. I think this is the reason why more casual social (rather than highly competitive) games are rising to prominence, Koreans are transforming into more social creatures...


this post times ten

I have many exchange student friends come to UCF
hell I'm in the Korean club with them
They all love western culture don't even mention starcraft they are embarrassed of it
dumchu
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 31 2012 17:37 GMT
#491
On April 01 2012 02:15 Wockets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 02:12 Forikorder wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote:
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though.

FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con?

Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened.
Not sure if the ST coach was to blame

pretty sure that had nothing to do with SC2con it was mainly internal problems with TSL and accusations flying everywhere (the players say TSL refused to give them there last pay, TSL saids they couldnt pay, players angry they were stillusing there pic, TSL saying they couldnt do anything about that)

i think the only thing the ST coach did was try to explain the situation but turns out some of the things he said turned out not o be true
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
March 31 2012 17:47 GMT
#492
On April 01 2012 02:15 Wockets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 02:12 Forikorder wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote:
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though.

FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con?

Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened.
Not sure if the ST coach was to blame


I think the person to blame was FD and Tester, ST coach simply believed them although they were wrong all along.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 31 2012 18:00 GMT
#493
On April 01 2012 02:47 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 02:15 Wockets wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:12 Forikorder wrote:
On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote:
Gaah ST coach leading this one again?
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though.

FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con?

Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened.
Not sure if the ST coach was to blame


I think the person to blame was FD and Tester, ST coach simply believed them although they were wrong all along.

i think FD and Tester were technically right with there grievances but at the same time there wasnt anything TSL could really do about it
trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
March 31 2012 18:11 GMT
#494
On April 01 2012 02:26 malady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 16:26 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I don't understand this sentiment about foreigners getting "locked out" due to kespa's sudden rise to influence. I think this idea of gomtv championing the foreigner cause is one that is wrongly made. The only reason why gomtv bothers with the foreign scene at all is because that's where the money is at. Starcraft 2 is pretty dead in Korea and BW dying a slow death. Even if BW fans suddenly become assimilated into SC2 (and that's a BIG if) that doesn't change the fact that Korea will eventually never be able to support a large starcraft scene on its own, like it has in the past. In short, Kespa NEEDS foreigners to have starcraft be viable.

What many people don't realize is that the youth culture is vastly different in Korea than what it was over a decade ago. More so than ever before, you have a veritable army of pop icons dictating to kids how they should be living, and this new pop culture is one that frowns upon staying home and playing computer games. Seoul is a city that never sleeps and the night life in Korea has only gotten better, as well as becoming even more accessible to Korean youth. This is compounded by the fact that alcohol is dirt cheap (no $8 dollar 12oz beers there, try a 2$ bottle of soju instead). 18 is the legal age to drink and is very loosely enforced. I've drank on a couple of occasions with 15-16 year old kids masquerading as adults, not that they really needed do much masquerading to begin with. More people aren't playing Starcraft because there is simply other stuff for kids to do nowadays to spend their time. I think this is the reason why more casual social (rather than highly competitive) games are rising to prominence, Koreans are transforming into more social creatures...


this post times ten

I have many exchange student friends come to UCF
hell I'm in the Korean club with them
They all love western culture don't even mention starcraft they are embarrassed of it


So they are embarassed about their culture ??
Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
March 31 2012 20:25 GMT
#495
As a BW fan, I am very optimistic about this!
get stronger play longer
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
March 31 2012 23:33 GMT
#496
I hope this will help SC2 evolve into a natural heir for BW. It is popular in SK, but not as popular as it should be in my opinion.
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MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
March 31 2012 23:44 GMT
#497
On March 31 2012 16:26 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I don't understand this sentiment about foreigners getting "locked out" due to kespa's sudden rise to influence. I think this idea of gomtv championing the foreigner cause is one that is wrongly made. The only reason why gomtv bothers with the foreign scene at all is because that's where the money is at. Starcraft 2 is pretty dead in Korea and BW dying a slow death. Even if BW fans suddenly become assimilated into SC2 (and that's a BIG if) that doesn't change the fact that Korea will eventually never be able to support a large starcraft scene on its own, like it has in the past. In short, Kespa NEEDS foreigners to have starcraft be viable.

What many people don't realize is that the youth culture is vastly different in Korea than what it was over a decade ago. More so than ever before, you have a veritable army of pop icons dictating to kids how they should be living, and this new pop culture is one that frowns upon staying home and playing computer games. Seoul is a city that never sleeps and the night life in Korea has only gotten better, as well as becoming even more accessible to Korean youth. This is compounded by the fact that alcohol is dirt cheap (no $8 dollar 12oz beers there, try a 2$ bottle of soju instead). 18 is the legal age to drink and is very loosely enforced. I've drank on a couple of occasions with 15-16 year old kids masquerading as adults, not that they really needed do much masquerading to begin with. More people aren't playing Starcraft because there is simply other stuff for kids to do nowadays to spend their time. I think this is the reason why more casual social (rather than highly competitive) games are rising to prominence, Koreans are transforming into more social creatures...



Going out and being a stupid youth that embraces alcohol and appreciating StarCraft aren't mutually exclusive. Look how many BarCrafts there are. I can't imagine that they're mutually exclusive in Korea either. We'll just have to see what happens, I'm fairly optimistic.
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 01 2012 03:24 GMT
#498
On April 01 2012 03:11 trollbone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 02:26 malady wrote:
On March 31 2012 16:26 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I don't understand this sentiment about foreigners getting "locked out" due to kespa's sudden rise to influence. I think this idea of gomtv championing the foreigner cause is one that is wrongly made. The only reason why gomtv bothers with the foreign scene at all is because that's where the money is at. Starcraft 2 is pretty dead in Korea and BW dying a slow death. Even if BW fans suddenly become assimilated into SC2 (and that's a BIG if) that doesn't change the fact that Korea will eventually never be able to support a large starcraft scene on its own, like it has in the past. In short, Kespa NEEDS foreigners to have starcraft be viable.

What many people don't realize is that the youth culture is vastly different in Korea than what it was over a decade ago. More so than ever before, you have a veritable army of pop icons dictating to kids how they should be living, and this new pop culture is one that frowns upon staying home and playing computer games. Seoul is a city that never sleeps and the night life in Korea has only gotten better, as well as becoming even more accessible to Korean youth. This is compounded by the fact that alcohol is dirt cheap (no $8 dollar 12oz beers there, try a 2$ bottle of soju instead). 18 is the legal age to drink and is very loosely enforced. I've drank on a couple of occasions with 15-16 year old kids masquerading as adults, not that they really needed do much masquerading to begin with. More people aren't playing Starcraft because there is simply other stuff for kids to do nowadays to spend their time. I think this is the reason why more casual social (rather than highly competitive) games are rising to prominence, Koreans are transforming into more social creatures...


this post times ten

I have many exchange student friends come to UCF
hell I'm in the Korean club with them
They all love western culture don't even mention starcraft they are embarrassed of it


So they are embarassed about their culture ??


1. niche market
2. that's only one experience

There are many other stories where they embrace it.

3. I'm assuming he's still at UCF. Anyway, it's a different generation as well.
KurenTV
Profile Joined January 2012
United States24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 23:00:16
April 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#499
I'm actually really glad to see this. With the Kespa talks coming up I've been worried about the future of SC2 in Korea and its relation to the gobal scene. We need to preserve this open and global community we've created around SC2

e-Sports Federation Fighting!

felisconcolori: "ANYWAYS.

Back on the actual topic.

Will the new e-Sports Federation be setting up its own website, domain, forums, etc.- give community a chance to interact with it and act as a central hub of sorts for not only team to team communication and planning, but also as a possible outlet for fans to learn more about the teams or engage the teams themselves? (Even if, maybe, there's only a brief bit of information and then a link out to the team's site.)
Again, I'm thinking in terms of major sports organizations in the US - where, for example, if I don't happen to know the Bruins' website, I can always go to the NHL's website and find it from there.

(Yeah, yeah, TL is pretty much that for a lot of nerds - even if you aren't a fan of Team Liquid, you still come here. And TLPD seems to be used by EVERYONE.)"


^ This would be great too :D
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
April 01 2012 22:44 GMT
#500
Sounds like current teams are getting a bit worried with Kespa back in the mix, i hope that things work out for all.
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