"e-Sports Federation" formed by SC2 teams - Page 25
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Ein0r
Germany32 Posts
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Rwatkins
United Kingdom61 Posts
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Poduh
United States9 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 01 2012 01:51 Poduh wrote: unfortunately this should probably have been done roughly a year ago, when current sc2 scene had all the leverage. Now that Kespa is in direct talks with Blizzard, the current scene freaks out and has to react. Too late, Kespa will once again gain dominance in Korea in my mind. theres no point making it a year ago since there was no kspa in SC2 a year ago, its being made now because it would actually have a use now also, i remind you of SC2con so technically it did exist a year ago | ||
Beakyboo
United States485 Posts
If Kespa remains completely self contained then I really don't see them exerting that kind of influence over the scene, considering they're starting out with no established SC2 players. Hell, if they're self contained then people are going to care even less because it will be difficult to compare them to the current established players. Not that I'm suggesting they'll do poorly, just I'm not sure this sort of reaction is necessary. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 01 2012 02:05 Beakyboo wrote: Honestly I think you could do a much better job communicating the point of this. It seems mostly defensive to me if anything, like you're worried about Kespa suddenly taking over the scene if you don't all band together to make something comparable. If Kespa remains completely self contained then I really don't see them exerting that kind of influence over the scene, considering they're starting out with no established SC2 players. Hell, if they're self contained then people are going to care even less because it will be difficult to compare them to the current established players. Not that I'm suggesting they'll do poorly, just I'm not sure this sort of reaction is necessary. the point is though the current scene doesnt want them to be self contained, they want them to be a league just like any other with open qualifiers so anyone with the skill can join | ||
Wockets
Hong Kong467 Posts
IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 01 2012 02:10 Wockets wrote: Gaah ST coach leading this one again? IIRC he was the one who caused the TSL FD and Tester scandal with SC2Con, I could be wrong though. FD and tester had a scandal with SC2con? | ||
Wockets
Hong Kong467 Posts
Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened. Not sure if the ST coach was to blame | ||
malady
United States600 Posts
On March 31 2012 16:26 thepuppyassassin wrote: I don't understand this sentiment about foreigners getting "locked out" due to kespa's sudden rise to influence. I think this idea of gomtv championing the foreigner cause is one that is wrongly made. The only reason why gomtv bothers with the foreign scene at all is because that's where the money is at. Starcraft 2 is pretty dead in Korea and BW dying a slow death. Even if BW fans suddenly become assimilated into SC2 (and that's a BIG if) that doesn't change the fact that Korea will eventually never be able to support a large starcraft scene on its own, like it has in the past. In short, Kespa NEEDS foreigners to have starcraft be viable. What many people don't realize is that the youth culture is vastly different in Korea than what it was over a decade ago. More so than ever before, you have a veritable army of pop icons dictating to kids how they should be living, and this new pop culture is one that frowns upon staying home and playing computer games. Seoul is a city that never sleeps and the night life in Korea has only gotten better, as well as becoming even more accessible to Korean youth. This is compounded by the fact that alcohol is dirt cheap (no $8 dollar 12oz beers there, try a 2$ bottle of soju instead). 18 is the legal age to drink and is very loosely enforced. I've drank on a couple of occasions with 15-16 year old kids masquerading as adults, not that they really needed do much masquerading to begin with. More people aren't playing Starcraft because there is simply other stuff for kids to do nowadays to spend their time. I think this is the reason why more casual social (rather than highly competitive) games are rising to prominence, Koreans are transforming into more social creatures... this post times ten I have many exchange student friends come to UCF hell I'm in the Korean club with them They all love western culture don't even mention starcraft they are embarrassed of it | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 01 2012 02:15 Wockets wrote: Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened. Not sure if the ST coach was to blame pretty sure that had nothing to do with SC2con it was mainly internal problems with TSL and accusations flying everywhere (the players say TSL refused to give them there last pay, TSL saids they couldnt pay, players angry they were stillusing there pic, TSL saying they couldnt do anything about that) i think the only thing the ST coach did was try to explain the situation but turns out some of the things he said turned out not o be true | ||
Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On April 01 2012 02:15 Wockets wrote: Yeah the one where both of them left TSL and a lot of stuff happened. Not sure if the ST coach was to blame I think the person to blame was FD and Tester, ST coach simply believed them although they were wrong all along. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 01 2012 02:47 eYeball wrote: I think the person to blame was FD and Tester, ST coach simply believed them although they were wrong all along. i think FD and Tester were technically right with there grievances but at the same time there wasnt anything TSL could really do about it | ||
trollbone
France1905 Posts
On April 01 2012 02:26 malady wrote: this post times ten I have many exchange student friends come to UCF hell I'm in the Korean club with them They all love western culture don't even mention starcraft they are embarrassed of it So they are embarassed about their culture ?? | ||
Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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MVega
763 Posts
On March 31 2012 16:26 thepuppyassassin wrote: I don't understand this sentiment about foreigners getting "locked out" due to kespa's sudden rise to influence. I think this idea of gomtv championing the foreigner cause is one that is wrongly made. The only reason why gomtv bothers with the foreign scene at all is because that's where the money is at. Starcraft 2 is pretty dead in Korea and BW dying a slow death. Even if BW fans suddenly become assimilated into SC2 (and that's a BIG if) that doesn't change the fact that Korea will eventually never be able to support a large starcraft scene on its own, like it has in the past. In short, Kespa NEEDS foreigners to have starcraft be viable. What many people don't realize is that the youth culture is vastly different in Korea than what it was over a decade ago. More so than ever before, you have a veritable army of pop icons dictating to kids how they should be living, and this new pop culture is one that frowns upon staying home and playing computer games. Seoul is a city that never sleeps and the night life in Korea has only gotten better, as well as becoming even more accessible to Korean youth. This is compounded by the fact that alcohol is dirt cheap (no $8 dollar 12oz beers there, try a 2$ bottle of soju instead). 18 is the legal age to drink and is very loosely enforced. I've drank on a couple of occasions with 15-16 year old kids masquerading as adults, not that they really needed do much masquerading to begin with. More people aren't playing Starcraft because there is simply other stuff for kids to do nowadays to spend their time. I think this is the reason why more casual social (rather than highly competitive) games are rising to prominence, Koreans are transforming into more social creatures... Going out and being a stupid youth that embraces alcohol and appreciating StarCraft aren't mutually exclusive. Look how many BarCrafts there are. I can't imagine that they're mutually exclusive in Korea either. We'll just have to see what happens, I'm fairly optimistic. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On April 01 2012 03:11 trollbone wrote: So they are embarassed about their culture ?? 1. niche market 2. that's only one experience There are many other stories where they embrace it. 3. I'm assuming he's still at UCF. Anyway, it's a different generation as well. | ||
KurenTV
United States24 Posts
![]() e-Sports Federation Fighting! felisconcolori: "ANYWAYS. Back on the actual topic. Will the new e-Sports Federation be setting up its own website, domain, forums, etc.- give community a chance to interact with it and act as a central hub of sorts for not only team to team communication and planning, but also as a possible outlet for fans to learn more about the teams or engage the teams themselves? (Even if, maybe, there's only a brief bit of information and then a link out to the team's site.) Again, I'm thinking in terms of major sports organizations in the US - where, for example, if I don't happen to know the Bruins' website, I can always go to the NHL's website and find it from there. (Yeah, yeah, TL is pretty much that for a lot of nerds - even if you aren't a fan of Team Liquid, you still come here. And TLPD seems to be used by EVERYONE.)" ^ This would be great too :D | ||
jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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