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Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
March 30 2012 05:28 GMT
#61
On March 30 2012 13:46 FXOBoSs wrote:
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.


what happen to the korean player on foreigner team?
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CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
March 30 2012 05:29 GMT
#62
Wow, this is very good -- with the worldwide popularity, and adjusted goals of this organization, it has a lot of power to do a lot of good for the scene, especially to keep Kespa in check.

GOOD Deal! I hope foreign teams consider joining this as well.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 05:33:17
March 30 2012 05:31 GMT
#63
On March 30 2012 14:28 Khalleb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 13:46 FXOBoSs wrote:
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.


what happen to the korean player on foreigner team?


It's okay man. Too few people understand what KeSPA is and how they operate. I can understand why they feel threatened. In fact, I even warned BoSs in the past to not take them lightly, lol.
RIPJAWS
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada26 Posts
March 30 2012 05:31 GMT
#64
i can tell u guys right now if starcraft 2 is gonna float its gonna be only if kespa and this group work together if we get a brood war situation both sc1 and sc2 will die and LOL will take all the sponsors. KESPA IS GOING TO KILL ESPORTS!!!!
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
March 30 2012 05:31 GMT
#65
I hope they pick their battles better than the Sc2Con did.

This will be pretty important, I'm glad this organization is coming into this with the best possible intentions with the freedom of the players to participate in 2 tournaments in mind rather than just self preservation.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 05:37:11
March 30 2012 05:35 GMT
#66
On March 30 2012 14:07 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 14:03 onedayclose wrote:
On March 30 2012 13:54 Plexa wrote:
So is this a move prompted by being scared of Kespa?

I guess some level of protection is a good thing though


I would think the purpose of this organization it to create something BETTER than KESPA

Kespa isn't all bad.
Besides player treatment, everything else they have done has been good.

And player treatment isn't necessarily a Kespa thing, it's more that the competition in BW is so cutthroat.

Of course I would like more than one organization because monopoly is never the best thing for fans.

Now please tell me how they treat their players bad? if u say its because of the pp thing blablab i wouldnt say they treat the players bad but rather have harsh rules for the official matches.

Kespa didnt destroy the GomTV BW League. there was just no place for it in BW.
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
March 30 2012 05:36 GMT
#67
I would imagine that Kespa is scaring the current SC2 teams. Kespa is not a carebear company, or at least hasn't been in the past. It destroyed GOMtv's attempts to get into bw and restricted the teams and players who could participate in progaming events. I think this is just an attempt by the teams to protect themselves from Kespa coming in and taking control of the scene. It's really a move that was inevitable.

Slayers has enough support that I think they be able to survive despite Kespa coming into the scene, or potentially could join Kespa. They've always done they're own thing because they are the most financially stable and, likely, most popular team in Korea. The other teams are always struggling for sponsors and to provide for their players. The well off Kespa run teams could easily run these teams out of town, poaching their players or buying them off, which would be a travesty.

I think most people in the community will support this move and should be wary about Kespa's involvement in SC2.
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Pelopidas
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 05:42:31
March 30 2012 05:42 GMT
#68
On March 30 2012 13:46 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hi guys,

The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".

It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.

It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.

I hope this helps.

Regards

FXOBoSs


You know that Kespa isn't anti-foreigner right? They were very accomodating to the few who were good enough to get on Korean teams. Its just that foreigners weren't good enough to actually compete in Korea. Stop this bandwagon nonsense, you have no idea how good having a regulatory body like Kespa is for Brood War. Sure they make mistakes sometimes, but they fix them. I find it funny how people always sympathize with GOM over Kespa. GOM was a league funded by Blizzard so that they could try to take over the Brood War scene and switch to SC2 easily when the time came.
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
March 30 2012 05:44 GMT
#69
Really interesting changes in the SC2 scene - this is just a harbinger of all the upheaval that will come with the Brood War teams starting to play SC2
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flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
March 30 2012 05:44 GMT
#70
Ever since the Naboo debacle, I don't very much trust Federations anymore. Maybe if you were an alliance...
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
March 30 2012 05:48 GMT
#71
2012 will indeed be the Sopranos SC2 style
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
March 30 2012 05:49 GMT
#72
Doesn't this boil down to how KeSPA plans to potentially integrate SC2 into its line-up. By that I mean, if they intend to function regardless of the last 2-ish years, I would think GOM and Blizz would continue to give them a hard time, or at least sort of quarantine thier efforts. Blizzard has a distinct idea of the global esport-type thing they want, so I would think even if KeSPA would be amazing for the Korean scene, if it rattles the work done thus far in foreignlandia, they would provide a resistance to it.

I really don't think KeSPA is in a place to call any shots atm. Perhaps in the past they could leverage massive sponsorship relationships and infrastructure, but sponsorship has become a bit of an issue and a number of recent bumps has kind of impacted their structure a bit.

Outside Korea, they really have no leverage other than perhaps BW-fans who have respect for players and teams over the years, and inside Korea they are not in the prime so to speak.
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
March 30 2012 05:49 GMT
#73
I am very curious. Good luck to this new organization.
Regime
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia185 Posts
March 30 2012 05:50 GMT
#74
hopefully Liquid, EG and coL all join they are the big 3 of non korean based teams.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
March 30 2012 05:52 GMT
#75
Odd that nno foreignn teams (unless you count FXO) joined in on this. Seems like with esports being global now it would be good for at least the big foreign teams like EG/TL/fnatic/col to join it too.
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Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
March 30 2012 05:52 GMT
#76
All i'll say is that Boss seems like a fucking smart guy, so if he's looked this over and says it's a good thing, I'm all for it.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 30 2012 05:56 GMT
#77
Unless foreign teams join (which appear to be better financed), this federation will seems incomplete to me. The Korean and foreign scenes, especially in regards to player transfers, have become very intertangled, and if you want to express solidarity, you need the major foreign teams as well.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 05:58:43
March 30 2012 05:57 GMT
#78
On March 30 2012 14:49 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't this boil down to how KeSPA plans to potentially integrate SC2 into its line-up. By that I mean, if they intend to function regardless of the last 2-ish years, I would think GOM and Blizz would continue to give them a hard time, or at least sort of quarantine thier efforts. Blizzard has a distinct idea of the global esport-type thing they want, so I would think even if KeSPA would be amazing for the Korean scene, if it rattles the work done thus far in foreignlandia, they would provide a resistance to it.

I really don't think KeSPA is in a place to call any shots atm. Perhaps in the past they could leverage massive sponsorship relationships and infrastructure, but sponsorship has become a bit of an issue and a number of recent bumps has kind of impacted their structure a bit.

Outside Korea, they really have no leverage other than perhaps BW-fans who have respect for players and teams over the years, and inside Korea they are not in the prime so to speak.

KeSPA has no real leverage over Blizzard or SC2, period. Blizzard threatened to go to court and KeSPA folded once they understood that Blizzard were serious and instead of ignoring Blizzard they started to negotiate with Blizzard where KeSPA eventually accepted the terms that Blizzard gave them. Whatever power KeSPA might have had in SC1 is now gone. I suspect KeSPA can't do shit and has very little power about SC2 and that they now are scared shitless of Blizzard and what they would do if KeSPA did something that would displease them.
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Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
March 30 2012 05:57 GMT
#79
Someone had to do it sooner or later. I hope the parties that bind into this are regulated in player trading, to discourage contract issues ala Stephano-Complexity.
Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 06:00:07
March 30 2012 05:58 GMT
#80
Probably the biggest news of the year so far in terms of the professional sc2 scene. I hope it can sort of slow down all of the drama with things like Stephano being traded and untraded, and all of the important business stuff. Hopefully the Federation can preserve both stability and mobility. That being said, I tend to connotate Federation with autocratic/evil control (Star Wars, 2112, etc.), and I hope the new eSF can buck the trend :D

Edit: Regime, are you forgetting about mouz?
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