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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
March 30 2012 08:41 GMT
#141
I hope it works better this time than Sc2con. Will be interesting to see the follow-up.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
March 30 2012 08:42 GMT
#142
On March 30 2012 17:34 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 17:30 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:45 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Could someone with a good grasp on esports history shed some light on KeSPA?
Why are they so controversial?

The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353&currentpage=15#283

His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too.
I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible.


Kespa = biggest South Korean corporations. Samsung, South Korea Telecom, KT, etc.

now, do you think you can tell these big corporations what should be correct way to handle the integration of sc2 into their existing leagues?. is like an ant trying to negotiate with a giant, you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


And if foreign teams join the federation they have backing from Razer, Intel, Monster, Sound Blaster, Twitch, Steelseries, and Kingston to name a few. Tournament organizers like MLG, Dreamhack, and IEM also have a stake in this as if Kespa tries to cockblock korean players from competing in foreign tournaments it affects them.

wtf are u talking about?


Maybe i'm way of but isn't this about Kespa not getting complete dominance over SC2 in korea with contracts that dictate what teams and players can do? If this new federation gets foreign team participation they're not a small ant anymore and can probably keep from just getting assimilated into kespa with their rules. Maybe i'm just way off on what Kespa is and does?
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
March 30 2012 08:48 GMT
#143
I hope all this works out well, I would love to hear the thoughts of all team's and players (foreigner and korean) on this.
http://twitter.com/howsc
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
March 30 2012 08:48 GMT
#144
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.

bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 30 2012 08:51 GMT
#145
On March 30 2012 17:03 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 16:45 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Could someone with a good grasp on esports history shed some light on KeSPA?
Why are they so controversial?

The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353&currentpage=15#283

His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too.
I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible.


KeSPA was formed during the IT-boom of Southkorea where online gaming such as Starcraft became incredibly popular, riding the warpspeed of how fast online gaming and IT grew the Ministry of Culture of Sports and Tourism in 2000 declared to form a governed body whose official goal was to make e-Sports an official sporting event, and to solidify the commercial position of e-Sports in all sectors. And thus KeSPA was formed.

KeSPA which consists of some of the biggest IT related companies in korea, primary role was to deal with the broadcasting of e-Sports, the formation of new events, and the conditions in which progamers work, as well as encourage the playing of video games by the general population. The decline of KeSPA's popularity started when it showed sign of "monopoly" and "abuse by power". Some of these signs included Disqualifying players for misspelling or typing wrong things when they wanted to pause during a game. Referee decisions that were viewed as "bullshit".

KeSPA was also known for giving bad contract deals for the player. The players very rarely got the money they deserved for the amount of effort they put into the game. The final "straw" for most people where when KeSPA Forced GomTV to shut down it's sc1 broadcasting by forcing the SC1 players not to attend it, if they did they would be frowned down upon by KeSPA, which at that time were "esports" in Korea.

Some time later it surfaced that KeSPA had ignored Blizzard and hadn't given them any profit of the business it had generated with Starcraft1. KeSPA refused to recognize Blizzards IP right for the game, if they did it meant they had to start paying Blizzard since they were using their game. around 2010 after serveal failed attempts of discussing Blizzard decided to sue KeSPA and bring them to court regarding the IP.

After allot of drama the dispute ended In May 2011 when KeSPA finally recognized the IP rights of Blizzard and had made a successful negotiations.

The aftermath of this is that some people are angry at KeSPA while other are not.

Thats only one side of the story, the other side of the story is they succeded in their primary task, which was to spread Esports in Korea. Which also contributed blizzard by Starcraft box sells (around 5 millions in Korea only). Did Kespa force players not to attend GOM ? I tought it was because of tight schedule (MSL OSL Proleague + minor events) and the decision was on hands of teams.
Stork[gm]
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
March 30 2012 08:52 GMT
#146
On March 30 2012 17:42 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 17:34 rasers wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:30 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:45 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Could someone with a good grasp on esports history shed some light on KeSPA?
Why are they so controversial?

The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353&currentpage=15#283

His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too.
I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible.


Kespa = biggest South Korean corporations. Samsung, South Korea Telecom, KT, etc.

now, do you think you can tell these big corporations what should be correct way to handle the integration of sc2 into their existing leagues?. is like an ant trying to negotiate with a giant, you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


And if foreign teams join the federation they have backing from Razer, Intel, Monster, Sound Blaster, Twitch, Steelseries, and Kingston to name a few. Tournament organizers like MLG, Dreamhack, and IEM also have a stake in this as if Kespa tries to cockblock korean players from competing in foreign tournaments it affects them.

wtf are u talking about?


Maybe i'm way of but isn't this about Kespa not getting complete dominance over SC2 in korea with contracts that dictate what teams and players can do? If this new federation gets foreign team participation they're not a small ant anymore and can probably keep from just getting assimilated into kespa with their rules. Maybe i'm just way off on what Kespa is and does?


I that is what I was thinking, if all the foreign teams get in on this, then hopefully kespa will not be able to muscle people around.
http://twitter.com/howsc
OrganicDoom
Profile Joined March 2011
United States32 Posts
March 30 2012 08:57 GMT
#147
The Alliance VS The Empire. We've seen this story before.
!!! Zerg Fighting !!!
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 30 2012 08:57 GMT
#148
On March 30 2012 17:52 how wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 17:42 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:34 rasers wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:30 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:45 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Could someone with a good grasp on esports history shed some light on KeSPA?
Why are they so controversial?

The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353&currentpage=15#283

His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too.
I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible.


Kespa = biggest South Korean corporations. Samsung, South Korea Telecom, KT, etc.

now, do you think you can tell these big corporations what should be correct way to handle the integration of sc2 into their existing leagues?. is like an ant trying to negotiate with a giant, you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


And if foreign teams join the federation they have backing from Razer, Intel, Monster, Sound Blaster, Twitch, Steelseries, and Kingston to name a few. Tournament organizers like MLG, Dreamhack, and IEM also have a stake in this as if Kespa tries to cockblock korean players from competing in foreign tournaments it affects them.

wtf are u talking about?


Maybe i'm way of but isn't this about Kespa not getting complete dominance over SC2 in korea with contracts that dictate what teams and players can do? If this new federation gets foreign team participation they're not a small ant anymore and can probably keep from just getting assimilated into kespa with their rules. Maybe i'm just way off on what Kespa is and does?


I that is what I was thinking, if all the foreign teams get in on this, then hopefully kespa will not be able to muscle people around.

Not really its up to blizzard and how many rights they give to kespa, without OGN (which is Kespa's) you dont exist in Korea. SC2 does not exist, whats more important for Blizzard would you ask.
Stork[gm]
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 30 2012 08:57 GMT
#149
On March 30 2012 17:03 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 16:45 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Could someone with a good grasp on esports history shed some light on KeSPA?
Why are they so controversial?

The only good word I have to read on is from John the Translator shown here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160353&currentpage=15#283

His view on KeSPA isn't very positive and it's starting to influence mine, too.
I would like to see someone write something to the contrary, if possible.


KeSPA was formed during the IT-boom of Southkorea where online gaming such as Starcraft became incredibly popular, riding the warpspeed of how fast online gaming and IT grew the Ministry of Culture of Sports and Tourism in 2000 declared to form a governed body whose official goal was to make e-Sports an official sporting event, and to solidify the commercial position of e-Sports in all sectors. And thus KeSPA was formed.

KeSPA which consists of some of the biggest IT related companies in korea, primary role was to deal with the broadcasting of e-Sports, the formation of new events, and the conditions in which progamers work, as well as encourage the playing of video games by the general population. The decline of KeSPA's popularity started when it showed sign of "monopoly" and "abuse by power". Some of these signs included Disqualifying players for misspelling or typing wrong things when they wanted to pause during a game. Referee decisions that were viewed as "bullshit".

KeSPA was also known for giving bad contract deals for the player. The players very rarely got the money they deserved for the amount of effort they put into the game. The final "straw" for most people where when KeSPA Forced GomTV to shut down it's sc1 broadcasting by forcing the SC1 players not to attend it, if they did they would be frowned down upon by KeSPA, which at that time were "esports" in Korea.

Some time later it surfaced that KeSPA had ignored Blizzard and hadn't given them any profit of the business it had generated with Starcraft1. KeSPA refused to recognize Blizzards IP right for the game, if they did it meant they had to start paying Blizzard since they were using their game. around 2010 after serveal failed attempts of discussing Blizzard decided to sue KeSPA and bring them to court regarding the IP.

After allot of drama the dispute ended In May 2011 when KeSPA finally recognized the IP rights of Blizzard and had made a successful negotiations.

The aftermath of this is that some people are angry at KeSPA while other are not.
Source please because I disagree with a lot of what was written here. To the best of my knowledge:
  • The teams are represented on the board of KeSPA, specifically, each team has a representative. Last I remember, the coach of SKT was the president of KeSPA.
  • KeSPA is the regulatory body of all other esports in Korea, except Starcraft 2.
  • KeSPA was very much just a governing body until 2007. Up until then its influence extended to creating rulesets for the progaming scene. This included the establishment of progamer licensees and the listing of official tournament results on their page. In particular, it had a role in managing the joint proleague between OGN and MBC.
  • KeSPA was first really put into a negative light in 2007 when it asserted its rights over the broadcast of proleague and sold the rights to IEG (then sponsoring the team eSTRO and formerly ran sc4all). MBC/OGN were outraged at this and many fans hated KeSPA as a result. The fiasco shook the scene to its core, but eventually MBC/OGN agreed to pay broadcast fees to IEG and proleague went on.
  • KeSPA often comes under the spotlight when a rule is enforced that causes an unpopular result. Rules that cause problems are often discussed afterwards and rectified if necessary. I.e. the Backho ziziyO incident which said gave way to the rule that the only official form of surrender was gg.
  • KeSPA has not stop players from receiving salaries; those are negotiated between teams and players which KeSPA has no influence over. However, KeSPA will assist teams to find new sponsors (or support them if they don't have them, i.e. team 8) and introduced the free agency system for players.
  • KeSPA has not limited the participation of foreigners in korean leagues. The lack of participation was a result of foreigners sucking. Indeed, KeSPA went as far as to establish a bypass rule for teams which allowed them give 2 players per year a progaming license without passing through courage. This was brought into effect when SKT had PJ and LX (two chinese players) and is often seen as giving SKT a way to give them progamer status. Idra earned his progamer status through this system as well.
  • KeSPA did not stop teams from competing in gomtv classic. They didn't officially recognise it, however, the teams that boycotted GSL had a reason for doing so. OGN/MBC were broadcast stations, eSTRO was sponsored by IEG and SKT held the presidents chair at KeSPA. Teams were simply overworked by this point and there wasn't room in the market for another tournament, leading to the classic's demise.
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Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
March 30 2012 08:58 GMT
#150
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
March 30 2012 09:03 GMT
#151
On March 30 2012 17:58 Blackrobe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.


I'm pretty sure that any sport thrives of their top players popularity. Players like DRG, Nestea, and MVP are really popular players for the SC2 crowd. I'm sure many SC2 fans don't even know who Jaedong is, regardless of how horrible some BW fans think that is.

Getting into SC2 tournaments without having the well known top SC2 players there WILL hamper their progress, regardless of how much some want to watch ex-BW players.
Serendipicus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States90 Posts
March 30 2012 09:04 GMT
#152
All I want is to watch TossGirl play sc2. Everything else will sort itself out.
Can I ask you a question?
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 09:08:16
March 30 2012 09:07 GMT
#153
On March 30 2012 18:03 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 17:58 Blackrobe wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.


I'm pretty sure that any sport thrives of their top players popularity. Players like DRG, Nestea, and MVP are really popular players for the SC2 crowd. I'm sure many SC2 fans don't even know who Jaedong is, regardless of how horrible some BW fans think that is.

Getting into SC2 tournaments without having the well known top SC2 players there WILL hamper their progress, regardless of how much some want to watch ex-BW players.


If the well being of a league hinges on the popularity of a select group of individuals, then I fear for the sport itself.

What happened to skill and quality of play?
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 09:09:52
March 30 2012 09:08 GMT
#154
On March 30 2012 18:07 Blackrobe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:03 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:58 Blackrobe wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.


I'm pretty sure that any sport thrives of their top players popularity. Players like DRG, Nestea, and MVP are really popular players for the SC2 crowd. I'm sure many SC2 fans don't even know who Jaedong is, regardless of how horrible some BW fans think that is.

Getting into SC2 tournaments without having the well known top SC2 players there WILL hamper their progress, regardless of how much some want to watch ex-BW players.


If the well being of a league hinges on the popularity of a select group of individuals, then I fear for the sport itself.

What happened to skill and quality of play?


If BW lost their top 5-10 players i'm pretty sure they'd take a huge hit too. No esport is immune to this as they're all pretty fragile.

You need the top SC2 players to compete with your ex-BW players to show who's the best though. The level of play will forever be discussed but never solved if the SC2 pros don't participate.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 30 2012 09:08 GMT
#155
Good post by plexa, this random accusation of kespa being an overzealous organization that is running unchecked is getting too much . Thanks for laying down the facts and stating the truth.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
March 30 2012 09:09 GMT
#156
This is some great news, hopefully this newly formed federation and KeSPA gets along well. Would be a shame if for some reason KeSPA wouldn't let any of the current players play in their leagues or if the Federation would have to boycott KeSPA tournaments.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
March 30 2012 09:15 GMT
#157
On March 30 2012 18:08 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:07 Blackrobe wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:03 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:58 Blackrobe wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.


I'm pretty sure that any sport thrives of their top players popularity. Players like DRG, Nestea, and MVP are really popular players for the SC2 crowd. I'm sure many SC2 fans don't even know who Jaedong is, regardless of how horrible some BW fans think that is.

Getting into SC2 tournaments without having the well known top SC2 players there WILL hamper their progress, regardless of how much some want to watch ex-BW players.


If the well being of a league hinges on the popularity of a select group of individuals, then I fear for the sport itself.

What happened to skill and quality of play?


If BW lost their top 5-10 players i'm pretty sure they'd take a huge hit too. No esport is immune to this as they're all pretty fragile.

You need the top SC2 players to compete with your ex-BW players to show who's the best though. The level of play will forever be discussed but never solved if the SC2 pros don't participate.


I agree wholeheartedly.

The original statement of whether or not a league survives based on a select group of popular players was my disagreement.
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 09:18:15
March 30 2012 09:17 GMT
#158
On March 30 2012 17:58 Blackrobe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.

uhhh Grow up to his comment dude? Look in the mirror. SC2 has a huge fan base with many of them coming only to SC2 and not through BW. Those people want to see the players they love(MMA/DRG/MKP/MC) etc. Would they watch Jaedong/Bisu/Flash play? Probably. But I very much doubt the interest level in the rest of the BW players would be nearly as high and watching subpar play which is what it would be for a good while wouldn't be what a lot of people would want.

The single best way for this to happen for ESports is for them to get along and work together and have a shared player base and cooperation.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 09:21:44
March 30 2012 09:21 GMT
#159
On March 30 2012 18:15 Blackrobe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:08 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:07 Blackrobe wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:03 karpo wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:58 Blackrobe wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.


I'm pretty sure that any sport thrives of their top players popularity. Players like DRG, Nestea, and MVP are really popular players for the SC2 crowd. I'm sure many SC2 fans don't even know who Jaedong is, regardless of how horrible some BW fans think that is.

Getting into SC2 tournaments without having the well known top SC2 players there WILL hamper their progress, regardless of how much some want to watch ex-BW players.


If the well being of a league hinges on the popularity of a select group of individuals, then I fear for the sport itself.

What happened to skill and quality of play?


If BW lost their top 5-10 players i'm pretty sure they'd take a huge hit too. No esport is immune to this as they're all pretty fragile.

You need the top SC2 players to compete with your ex-BW players to show who's the best though. The level of play will forever be discussed but never solved if the SC2 pros don't participate.


I agree wholeheartedly.

The original statement of whether or not a league survives based on a select group of popular players was my disagreement.


The guy you quoted said good luck running a tournament without top SC2 pros. Nowhere did he say that it was doomed to fail totally, just that it won't be as popular nor as good as it could have been.
Blackrobe
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On March 30 2012 18:17 mrtomjones wrote:
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On March 30 2012 17:58 Blackrobe wrote:
On March 30 2012 17:48 AegiS_ wrote:
On March 30 2012 16:58 insanet wrote:
you better bring an army and nukes if you want Kespa to even care about you and your little teams.


"your little teams"..?

these teams include the absolute best players in the SC2 pro-scene. if they (KeSPA) don't work with, or try to bully around, the e-sports federation then they won't get the best talent in SC2. good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol.



"Good luck running an sc2 tournament without DRG, MKP, Nestea, MVP etc lolol."

Is this a joke?

I would watch a SC2 league with ex-BW players in a heartbeat. Grow up.

uhhh Grow up to his comment dude? Look in the mirror. SC2 has a huge fan base with many of them coming only to SC2 and not through BW. Those people want to see the players they love(MMA/DRG/MKP/MC) etc. Would they watch Jaedong/Bisu/Flash play? Probably. But I very much doubt the interest level in the rest of the BW players would be nearly as high and watching subpar play which is what it would be for a good while wouldn't be what a lot of people would want.

The single best way for this to happen for ESports is for them to get along and work together and have a shared player base and cooperation.


I want the two scenes to work together and create a wonderful new era. I don't think you thought about what I typed, I am not against a confluence of the scenes.
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