• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:59
CET 20:59
KST 04:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced11[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BW General Discussion Which season is the best in ASL? soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1290 users

Mike Morhaime "SC2 Proleague will open this year" - Page 22

Forum Index > SC2 General
1155 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 58 Next
Treetop
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States140 Posts
March 17 2012 14:05 GMT
#421
I know I'm late to the party but...I just want to make sure everyone plays nice together. Kespa is a good idea in theory but I really don't like how much control they have over players and teams. When this comes, I hope GOM and OGN will be able to make nice. I don't want the scene to get segmented. I want to be able to see all the Kespa and GSL players heading to Finland for a Dreamhack or to Providence for an MLG.

Things could get really bad in one way or another if the Korean scene gets gutted down the middle.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
March 17 2012 14:06 GMT
#422
On March 17 2012 22:32 johnny123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 22:04 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:48 bgx wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:26 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:21 Gamegene wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:17 jpak wrote:
GSL is living off almost entirely on western viewer's support.

I doubt that that will change with OGN.


There would be no point in Blizzard offering OGN a contract then.


Oh, they are trying. Especially with LoL at their heels, they need to. I just don't believe that this will be able to change the korean SC2 scene, at least permanently.

Main income for Blizzard regarding SC2 is still box sale. Korea accounted for around 50% of worldwide copy sells of Starcraft 1. Just because of its popularity and deep ingraining in Korean culture. Thats a big portion of a pie, and i believe Blizzard not informing how well SC2 was received in Korea makes me think it was rather low. They finally understood that postering Seoul and buying out an advert on a Plane is not a way to go.


Too little, too late, if you ask me. Besides, SC2 in Korea for me just feels so... artificial. It's propped up by outside support and I doubt OGN will be able to change Korea's mentality. There's a high possibility that too many Koreans just don't find SC2 fun to play.



i can tell you what feels artificial, Your post! One look at your posting history and you can see clearly that you are a person that hates starcraft 2 and jumps at every opportunity to bash it.

I mean how can you stand here and say "Oh the scene looks artificial" . Take a look at the sponsors, Westerners feeling they are the main piece of the pie for Gom tv income is laughable.

Sony Ericson, Pepsi, GSkill Ram, Hot Sixx energy drink. I mean how is this any different than samsung sponsoring pro league?

be fucking real come on. If you wanna talk about artificial, talk about league of legends. They buy themselves into every tournament . Now while i would love if every develop does this, Its not a scene that started without Riot heavily investing into the product. I would bet my bottom dollar that Riot paid OGN alottttttttt of money to put LOL on t.v
( i see you praise league of legends alot on your post history) .

IPL 3= LOL buys in
MLG = LOL buys in
KOREA = LOL buys in


I dunno if you even realize, but since day 1 of starcraft 2 releasing in korea, kespa has been against it because agreements could not be made, Its only recently kespa has started to make deals. With Gomtv getting more and more audiences each time with every gsl final, Its growing slowly but steadily in korea, all for a game that isnt on korean TV as yet. With the expansion the tables will get reset a little so to say , which put the best pros on even ground for a while with some of the broodwar pros and that is when i believe the real Starcraft 2 scene will kick off in Korea, As the first expansion is released and deals are set for sc2. The future looks bright.

I personally believe LOL is a bubble and it will be pulled from tv within 1 1/2 years for low ratings in korea after the novelty wears off.


I do not deny that sc2 succeeded in the west. I just assert that it is on life support in KOREA.

SC2 started off on the wrong foot in korea with the airplane ad debacle and the Kespa- Blizzard fight. Blizzard had a whole year to try and fix it, but were stubborn and stuck with GOMTV. Now, most koreans are pretty apathetic towards the game, and most korean exchange students I met say that the game is just not fun for them.

As for LoL, I have not seen that kind of buzz and excitement over a game like that in korea since... BW in 1999. Somehow, LoL was able to capture the hearts and minds of many koreans there, and the upcoming LoL tournament is a reflexion of that.

If you need some perspective on what is happening in Korea, just go read MrHoon's blog. A lot of what he said is still relevant, and should be reflectrd upon.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
March 17 2012 14:07 GMT
#423
Everyone is getting way too worked up over this. I expect a lot of people to be really disappointed by the BW teams playing SC2 Proleague. I suspect that the quality of play will be significantly lower than Code S currently. It's really just testing the waters, I suspect, to see whether there is a demand for both GOM and OGN Korean broadcasts.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
March 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#424
On March 17 2012 15:54 naux wrote:
people think this is good news?
gomtv might get owned just because this guy thinks kespa deserves to have exclusive rights to sc2 meaning no gomtv for most of you that didnt understand what the OP wrote


If you need to hate please do it with good knowledge. This is ABOUT getting two SC2 Leagues.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Vindubs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States110 Posts
March 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#425
What does this mean for KeSPA does this mean that they will have a more direct role in policing/player rules in sc2? are foreigners who compete in Korea going to be subject to KeSPAs rules?
Stephano,Sase,Naniwa HWAITING!
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
March 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#426
The only thing that scares me is Broodwar's sponsors will switch over to SC2 and there will be absolutely no way GomTV will be able to keep up in terms of money and it will eventually die. Then the current teams won't be able to pay their players and they will all switch to either foreign teams or the Broodwar/Sc2 teams. Having Gom and Kespa side by side would be an absolute miracle.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 17 2012 14:12 GMT
#427
On March 17 2012 23:06 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 22:32 johnny123 wrote:
On March 17 2012 22:04 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:48 bgx wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:26 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:21 Gamegene wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:17 jpak wrote:
GSL is living off almost entirely on western viewer's support.

I doubt that that will change with OGN.


There would be no point in Blizzard offering OGN a contract then.


Oh, they are trying. Especially with LoL at their heels, they need to. I just don't believe that this will be able to change the korean SC2 scene, at least permanently.

Main income for Blizzard regarding SC2 is still box sale. Korea accounted for around 50% of worldwide copy sells of Starcraft 1. Just because of its popularity and deep ingraining in Korean culture. Thats a big portion of a pie, and i believe Blizzard not informing how well SC2 was received in Korea makes me think it was rather low. They finally understood that postering Seoul and buying out an advert on a Plane is not a way to go.


Too little, too late, if you ask me. Besides, SC2 in Korea for me just feels so... artificial. It's propped up by outside support and I doubt OGN will be able to change Korea's mentality. There's a high possibility that too many Koreans just don't find SC2 fun to play.



i can tell you what feels artificial, Your post! One look at your posting history and you can see clearly that you are a person that hates starcraft 2 and jumps at every opportunity to bash it.

I mean how can you stand here and say "Oh the scene looks artificial" . Take a look at the sponsors, Westerners feeling they are the main piece of the pie for Gom tv income is laughable.

Sony Ericson, Pepsi, GSkill Ram, Hot Sixx energy drink. I mean how is this any different than samsung sponsoring pro league?

be fucking real come on. If you wanna talk about artificial, talk about league of legends. They buy themselves into every tournament . Now while i would love if every develop does this, Its not a scene that started without Riot heavily investing into the product. I would bet my bottom dollar that Riot paid OGN alottttttttt of money to put LOL on t.v
( i see you praise league of legends alot on your post history) .

IPL 3= LOL buys in
MLG = LOL buys in
KOREA = LOL buys in


I dunno if you even realize, but since day 1 of starcraft 2 releasing in korea, kespa has been against it because agreements could not be made, Its only recently kespa has started to make deals. With Gomtv getting more and more audiences each time with every gsl final, Its growing slowly but steadily in korea, all for a game that isnt on korean TV as yet. With the expansion the tables will get reset a little so to say , which put the best pros on even ground for a while with some of the broodwar pros and that is when i believe the real Starcraft 2 scene will kick off in Korea, As the first expansion is released and deals are set for sc2. The future looks bright.

I personally believe LOL is a bubble and it will be pulled from tv within 1 1/2 years for low ratings in korea after the novelty wears off.


I do not deny that sc2 succeeded in the west. I just assert that it is on life support in KOREA.

SC2 started off on the wrong foot in korea with the airplane ad debacle and the Kespa- Blizzard fight. Blizzard had a whole year to try and fix it, but were stubborn and stuck with GOMTV. Now, most koreans are pretty apathetic towards the game, and most korean exchange students I met say that the game is just not fun for them.

As for LoL, I have not seen that kind of buzz and excitement over a game like that in korea since... BW in 1999. Somehow, LoL was able to capture the hearts and minds of many koreans there, and the upcoming LoL tournament is a reflexion of that.

If you need some perspective on what is happening in Korea, just go read MrHoon's blog. A lot of what he said is still relevant, and should be reflectrd upon.


I can attest to this! From what I heard from the Koreans that studies to learn English here is that SC2 is doing poorly and they mainly play LoL/BW when they play at cafes.

They are very obnoxious with their shouting. Full of emotions. Disturbing the Peace in the internet cafes wherever they play.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
a5mod
Profile Joined December 2010
France61 Posts
March 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#428
Finally! Really happy. I have a LOT of regrets because I didn't have the chance to enjoy early proleague since I discovered the starcraft scene with SC2 and by what it looks like right now it's awesome.

Suck it LoL

User was warned for this post
Stephano CrazyMoving Ret Zenio BBoongBBoong
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
March 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#429
On March 17 2012 23:10 Vindubs wrote:
What does this mean for KeSPA does this mean that they will have a more direct role in policing/player rules in sc2? are foreigners who compete in Korea going to be subject to KeSPAs rules?


They're not giving KeSPA exclusive rights to SC2. They're just removing GOM's exclusive rights, and negotiating a tournament license fee with KeSPA (which they never wanted to pay for brood war in the first place, but are paying for it now). So if anything, it'll just be KeSPA having policies within their tournament only.
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
March 17 2012 14:14 GMT
#430
Finally, I really hope another league will co-exist next to the GSL. This is something SC2 really needs atm, more leagues in Korea.
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
March 17 2012 14:16 GMT
#431
As long as GOM won't get shafted, these are very welcome news.
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
March 17 2012 14:24 GMT
#432
Why are so many so scared of people playing LoL? Why can't both games be played in Korea?
Its not like all the sc2 pro's switch to team based easymode game. Player skillcap is so low in LoL that it hurts my eyes, it all boils down to team tactics and champion picks who works great with who against who. Observe a game of LoL without casters and you notice what im trying to say, cause dem LoL casters just rock! Damn they are good, they are the only thing why Im watching that game at all :D.

It ofcourse too gets more views, cause there is literally 5x more players playing that game than there is SC2 players.
Playing a match of LoL is stress free, cause you can allways bitch how bad your team is if you are losing.
You can't do that with SC2.
Unranked games and the fact that you get "money" for playing their game is addictive as hell.
Riot is seriosly pushing their game for the consumers trough esports. It was just few months ago when none was intrested in the game, now? Well my guess is, the hype will fade but its here to stay.

Now lets just hope both GSL and Proleague would make it possible for the players to play in both tournaments, Koreans need more tournaments and thats a fact!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 14:30:07
March 17 2012 14:25 GMT
#433
Morhaime was so mobile today, I almost expect to see his head pop up in Texas and then Orlando. Anyway, more leagues are never a bad thing. It won't be bad for BW either, because it creates potential for more viewers to get connected with BW as well. Of course, many things could go wrong, but for now I only see positivity coming out from this.

There's only one horrible prospect - if OGN don't intend to fix their 4:3 aspect ratio. That would mark the end of the world.
edit2: hah, poster below me mentioned it too, before I edited ^^
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
March 17 2012 14:28 GMT
#434
I'm still having nightmares of OGN's WCG SC2 broadcasts...
Dat 640*480...
I guess this will quicken the end of BW?
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
March 17 2012 14:30 GMT
#435
I strongly doubt that BW and SCII can coexist. As soon as one gets a viewer advantage they will get even more viewers. SCII has the foreign scene. Goodbye BW.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
March 17 2012 14:30 GMT
#436
I guess the only thing that boils down to will be whether BW players start switiching as response to change in the situation. The two scenes need to remain separate, I cannot stress that enough.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
March 17 2012 14:34 GMT
#437
On March 17 2012 23:30 Aunvilgod wrote:
I strongly doubt that BW and SCII can coexist. As soon as one gets a viewer advantage they will get even more viewers. SCII has the foreign scene. Goodbye BW.

BW has the Korean scene, though, which is an important consideration for a Korean television station.
. . . nevermore
jayhorn
Profile Joined March 2011
England131 Posts
March 17 2012 14:38 GMT
#438
dat dude makes da billions $$$ while us peons just spend billions of hours playin da GAIMZ!!
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 14:39:02
March 17 2012 14:38 GMT
#439
On March 17 2012 23:34 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 23:30 Aunvilgod wrote:
I strongly doubt that BW and SCII can coexist. As soon as one gets a viewer advantage they will get even more viewers. SCII has the foreign scene. Goodbye BW.

BW has the Korean scene, though, which is an important consideration for a Korean television station.


Then they just need to find a way to make korean scene to swap to sc2 and they get both.

But yea I really doubt that, most likely bw and sc2 will co exist for some time
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
March 17 2012 14:39 GMT
#440
On March 17 2012 23:24 stfouri wrote:
Playing a match of LoL is stress free, cause you can allways bitch how bad your team is if you are losing.


do you not see the contradictory nature of your statement
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 58 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
17:00
Masters Cup #150: Group D
davetesta48
Liquipedia
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL TeamLeague wk20 PTB vs CN
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Clem_sc2 656
RotterdaM 243
White-Ra 195
PiGStarcraft74
JuggernautJason41
MindelVK 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3152
Dewaltoss 117
Shinee 45
ZZZero.O 27
NaDa 11
Dota 2
syndereN190
capcasts62
Counter-Strike
fl0m5454
zeus1908
Other Games
Grubby3985
FrodaN2602
Liquid`Hasu213
Pyrionflax151
Liquid`VortiX110
Sick97
KnowMe91
Mew2King69
Trikslyr47
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick9681
EGCTV2216
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream113
Other Games
BasetradeTV101
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 37
• printf 24
• Adnapsc2 7
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach36
• Pr0nogo 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV436
• Ler93
League of Legends
• Jankos2412
Other Games
• imaqtpie1043
• Shiphtur285
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
1m
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Semih vs Tech
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 1m
WardiTV Korean Royale
16h 1m
Zoun vs SHIN
TBD vs Reynor
TBD vs herO
Solar vs TBD
BSL 21
1d
Hawk vs Kyrie
spx vs Cross
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Wardi Open
1d 16h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 21h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.