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Mike Morhaime "SC2 Proleague will open this year" - Page 22

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Treetop
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States140 Posts
March 17 2012 14:05 GMT
#421
I know I'm late to the party but...I just want to make sure everyone plays nice together. Kespa is a good idea in theory but I really don't like how much control they have over players and teams. When this comes, I hope GOM and OGN will be able to make nice. I don't want the scene to get segmented. I want to be able to see all the Kespa and GSL players heading to Finland for a Dreamhack or to Providence for an MLG.

Things could get really bad in one way or another if the Korean scene gets gutted down the middle.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
March 17 2012 14:06 GMT
#422
On March 17 2012 22:32 johnny123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 22:04 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:48 bgx wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:26 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:21 Gamegene wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:17 jpak wrote:
GSL is living off almost entirely on western viewer's support.

I doubt that that will change with OGN.


There would be no point in Blizzard offering OGN a contract then.


Oh, they are trying. Especially with LoL at their heels, they need to. I just don't believe that this will be able to change the korean SC2 scene, at least permanently.

Main income for Blizzard regarding SC2 is still box sale. Korea accounted for around 50% of worldwide copy sells of Starcraft 1. Just because of its popularity and deep ingraining in Korean culture. Thats a big portion of a pie, and i believe Blizzard not informing how well SC2 was received in Korea makes me think it was rather low. They finally understood that postering Seoul and buying out an advert on a Plane is not a way to go.


Too little, too late, if you ask me. Besides, SC2 in Korea for me just feels so... artificial. It's propped up by outside support and I doubt OGN will be able to change Korea's mentality. There's a high possibility that too many Koreans just don't find SC2 fun to play.



i can tell you what feels artificial, Your post! One look at your posting history and you can see clearly that you are a person that hates starcraft 2 and jumps at every opportunity to bash it.

I mean how can you stand here and say "Oh the scene looks artificial" . Take a look at the sponsors, Westerners feeling they are the main piece of the pie for Gom tv income is laughable.

Sony Ericson, Pepsi, GSkill Ram, Hot Sixx energy drink. I mean how is this any different than samsung sponsoring pro league?

be fucking real come on. If you wanna talk about artificial, talk about league of legends. They buy themselves into every tournament . Now while i would love if every develop does this, Its not a scene that started without Riot heavily investing into the product. I would bet my bottom dollar that Riot paid OGN alottttttttt of money to put LOL on t.v
( i see you praise league of legends alot on your post history) .

IPL 3= LOL buys in
MLG = LOL buys in
KOREA = LOL buys in


I dunno if you even realize, but since day 1 of starcraft 2 releasing in korea, kespa has been against it because agreements could not be made, Its only recently kespa has started to make deals. With Gomtv getting more and more audiences each time with every gsl final, Its growing slowly but steadily in korea, all for a game that isnt on korean TV as yet. With the expansion the tables will get reset a little so to say , which put the best pros on even ground for a while with some of the broodwar pros and that is when i believe the real Starcraft 2 scene will kick off in Korea, As the first expansion is released and deals are set for sc2. The future looks bright.

I personally believe LOL is a bubble and it will be pulled from tv within 1 1/2 years for low ratings in korea after the novelty wears off.


I do not deny that sc2 succeeded in the west. I just assert that it is on life support in KOREA.

SC2 started off on the wrong foot in korea with the airplane ad debacle and the Kespa- Blizzard fight. Blizzard had a whole year to try and fix it, but were stubborn and stuck with GOMTV. Now, most koreans are pretty apathetic towards the game, and most korean exchange students I met say that the game is just not fun for them.

As for LoL, I have not seen that kind of buzz and excitement over a game like that in korea since... BW in 1999. Somehow, LoL was able to capture the hearts and minds of many koreans there, and the upcoming LoL tournament is a reflexion of that.

If you need some perspective on what is happening in Korea, just go read MrHoon's blog. A lot of what he said is still relevant, and should be reflectrd upon.
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
March 17 2012 14:07 GMT
#423
Everyone is getting way too worked up over this. I expect a lot of people to be really disappointed by the BW teams playing SC2 Proleague. I suspect that the quality of play will be significantly lower than Code S currently. It's really just testing the waters, I suspect, to see whether there is a demand for both GOM and OGN Korean broadcasts.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
March 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#424
On March 17 2012 15:54 naux wrote:
people think this is good news?
gomtv might get owned just because this guy thinks kespa deserves to have exclusive rights to sc2 meaning no gomtv for most of you that didnt understand what the OP wrote


If you need to hate please do it with good knowledge. This is ABOUT getting two SC2 Leagues.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Vindubs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States110 Posts
March 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#425
What does this mean for KeSPA does this mean that they will have a more direct role in policing/player rules in sc2? are foreigners who compete in Korea going to be subject to KeSPAs rules?
Stephano,Sase,Naniwa HWAITING!
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
March 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#426
The only thing that scares me is Broodwar's sponsors will switch over to SC2 and there will be absolutely no way GomTV will be able to keep up in terms of money and it will eventually die. Then the current teams won't be able to pay their players and they will all switch to either foreign teams or the Broodwar/Sc2 teams. Having Gom and Kespa side by side would be an absolute miracle.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 17 2012 14:12 GMT
#427
On March 17 2012 23:06 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 22:32 johnny123 wrote:
On March 17 2012 22:04 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:48 bgx wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:26 jpak wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:21 Gamegene wrote:
On March 17 2012 21:17 jpak wrote:
GSL is living off almost entirely on western viewer's support.

I doubt that that will change with OGN.


There would be no point in Blizzard offering OGN a contract then.


Oh, they are trying. Especially with LoL at their heels, they need to. I just don't believe that this will be able to change the korean SC2 scene, at least permanently.

Main income for Blizzard regarding SC2 is still box sale. Korea accounted for around 50% of worldwide copy sells of Starcraft 1. Just because of its popularity and deep ingraining in Korean culture. Thats a big portion of a pie, and i believe Blizzard not informing how well SC2 was received in Korea makes me think it was rather low. They finally understood that postering Seoul and buying out an advert on a Plane is not a way to go.


Too little, too late, if you ask me. Besides, SC2 in Korea for me just feels so... artificial. It's propped up by outside support and I doubt OGN will be able to change Korea's mentality. There's a high possibility that too many Koreans just don't find SC2 fun to play.



i can tell you what feels artificial, Your post! One look at your posting history and you can see clearly that you are a person that hates starcraft 2 and jumps at every opportunity to bash it.

I mean how can you stand here and say "Oh the scene looks artificial" . Take a look at the sponsors, Westerners feeling they are the main piece of the pie for Gom tv income is laughable.

Sony Ericson, Pepsi, GSkill Ram, Hot Sixx energy drink. I mean how is this any different than samsung sponsoring pro league?

be fucking real come on. If you wanna talk about artificial, talk about league of legends. They buy themselves into every tournament . Now while i would love if every develop does this, Its not a scene that started without Riot heavily investing into the product. I would bet my bottom dollar that Riot paid OGN alottttttttt of money to put LOL on t.v
( i see you praise league of legends alot on your post history) .

IPL 3= LOL buys in
MLG = LOL buys in
KOREA = LOL buys in


I dunno if you even realize, but since day 1 of starcraft 2 releasing in korea, kespa has been against it because agreements could not be made, Its only recently kespa has started to make deals. With Gomtv getting more and more audiences each time with every gsl final, Its growing slowly but steadily in korea, all for a game that isnt on korean TV as yet. With the expansion the tables will get reset a little so to say , which put the best pros on even ground for a while with some of the broodwar pros and that is when i believe the real Starcraft 2 scene will kick off in Korea, As the first expansion is released and deals are set for sc2. The future looks bright.

I personally believe LOL is a bubble and it will be pulled from tv within 1 1/2 years for low ratings in korea after the novelty wears off.


I do not deny that sc2 succeeded in the west. I just assert that it is on life support in KOREA.

SC2 started off on the wrong foot in korea with the airplane ad debacle and the Kespa- Blizzard fight. Blizzard had a whole year to try and fix it, but were stubborn and stuck with GOMTV. Now, most koreans are pretty apathetic towards the game, and most korean exchange students I met say that the game is just not fun for them.

As for LoL, I have not seen that kind of buzz and excitement over a game like that in korea since... BW in 1999. Somehow, LoL was able to capture the hearts and minds of many koreans there, and the upcoming LoL tournament is a reflexion of that.

If you need some perspective on what is happening in Korea, just go read MrHoon's blog. A lot of what he said is still relevant, and should be reflectrd upon.


I can attest to this! From what I heard from the Koreans that studies to learn English here is that SC2 is doing poorly and they mainly play LoL/BW when they play at cafes.

They are very obnoxious with their shouting. Full of emotions. Disturbing the Peace in the internet cafes wherever they play.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
a5mod
Profile Joined December 2010
France61 Posts
March 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#428
Finally! Really happy. I have a LOT of regrets because I didn't have the chance to enjoy early proleague since I discovered the starcraft scene with SC2 and by what it looks like right now it's awesome.

Suck it LoL

User was warned for this post
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goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
March 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#429
On March 17 2012 23:10 Vindubs wrote:
What does this mean for KeSPA does this mean that they will have a more direct role in policing/player rules in sc2? are foreigners who compete in Korea going to be subject to KeSPAs rules?


They're not giving KeSPA exclusive rights to SC2. They're just removing GOM's exclusive rights, and negotiating a tournament license fee with KeSPA (which they never wanted to pay for brood war in the first place, but are paying for it now). So if anything, it'll just be KeSPA having policies within their tournament only.
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
March 17 2012 14:14 GMT
#430
Finally, I really hope another league will co-exist next to the GSL. This is something SC2 really needs atm, more leagues in Korea.
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
March 17 2012 14:16 GMT
#431
As long as GOM won't get shafted, these are very welcome news.
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
March 17 2012 14:24 GMT
#432
Why are so many so scared of people playing LoL? Why can't both games be played in Korea?
Its not like all the sc2 pro's switch to team based easymode game. Player skillcap is so low in LoL that it hurts my eyes, it all boils down to team tactics and champion picks who works great with who against who. Observe a game of LoL without casters and you notice what im trying to say, cause dem LoL casters just rock! Damn they are good, they are the only thing why Im watching that game at all :D.

It ofcourse too gets more views, cause there is literally 5x more players playing that game than there is SC2 players.
Playing a match of LoL is stress free, cause you can allways bitch how bad your team is if you are losing.
You can't do that with SC2.
Unranked games and the fact that you get "money" for playing their game is addictive as hell.
Riot is seriosly pushing their game for the consumers trough esports. It was just few months ago when none was intrested in the game, now? Well my guess is, the hype will fade but its here to stay.

Now lets just hope both GSL and Proleague would make it possible for the players to play in both tournaments, Koreans need more tournaments and thats a fact!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 14:30:07
March 17 2012 14:25 GMT
#433
Morhaime was so mobile today, I almost expect to see his head pop up in Texas and then Orlando. Anyway, more leagues are never a bad thing. It won't be bad for BW either, because it creates potential for more viewers to get connected with BW as well. Of course, many things could go wrong, but for now I only see positivity coming out from this.

There's only one horrible prospect - if OGN don't intend to fix their 4:3 aspect ratio. That would mark the end of the world.
edit2: hah, poster below me mentioned it too, before I edited ^^
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
March 17 2012 14:28 GMT
#434
I'm still having nightmares of OGN's WCG SC2 broadcasts...
Dat 640*480...
I guess this will quicken the end of BW?
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
March 17 2012 14:30 GMT
#435
I strongly doubt that BW and SCII can coexist. As soon as one gets a viewer advantage they will get even more viewers. SCII has the foreign scene. Goodbye BW.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
March 17 2012 14:30 GMT
#436
I guess the only thing that boils down to will be whether BW players start switiching as response to change in the situation. The two scenes need to remain separate, I cannot stress that enough.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
March 17 2012 14:34 GMT
#437
On March 17 2012 23:30 Aunvilgod wrote:
I strongly doubt that BW and SCII can coexist. As soon as one gets a viewer advantage they will get even more viewers. SCII has the foreign scene. Goodbye BW.

BW has the Korean scene, though, which is an important consideration for a Korean television station.
. . . nevermore
jayhorn
Profile Joined March 2011
England131 Posts
March 17 2012 14:38 GMT
#438
dat dude makes da billions $$$ while us peons just spend billions of hours playin da GAIMZ!!
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 14:39:02
March 17 2012 14:38 GMT
#439
On March 17 2012 23:34 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 23:30 Aunvilgod wrote:
I strongly doubt that BW and SCII can coexist. As soon as one gets a viewer advantage they will get even more viewers. SCII has the foreign scene. Goodbye BW.

BW has the Korean scene, though, which is an important consideration for a Korean television station.


Then they just need to find a way to make korean scene to swap to sc2 and they get both.

But yea I really doubt that, most likely bw and sc2 will co exist for some time
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
March 17 2012 14:39 GMT
#440
On March 17 2012 23:24 stfouri wrote:
Playing a match of LoL is stress free, cause you can allways bitch how bad your team is if you are losing.


do you not see the contradictory nature of your statement
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