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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On March 17 2012 23:51 taitanik wrote: time for bw players to move on im happy for korea they were stuck in bw because of gom tv rights and kespa holding players I don't think anyone is 'stuck' with BW. I watch it because I like to watch it over SC2. I'm sure this is mirrored by the Koreans who still watch it, no one is making them do it... | ||
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Chargelot
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goding
22 Posts
On March 17 2012 23:56 Zealot Orgy wrote: Pitchfork, most likely. People are just delusional if they're actually convinced that a "KeSPA SC2 Pro League" will result in deluxe codeS++ level of play AND production. KeSPA is not new to being extremely conservative towards their players, they consider themselves the SUPERIOR BW MASTER RACE and everyone else as inferior, and that'll be the exact same view if they switch to SC2. They won't let players in their SC2 PL to join any other tournaments and they won't let notable SC2 pros join their PL unless they have a pro license AND they're into one of the PL teams. This will mean a complete and total crack between the GSL and the KeSPA PL, players from the 2 "factions" won't be able to play each other, fanboys will create an even more annoying rivalry between who's got the best lineup (since they cant' face each other, all you can do is speculate). In the end I think GOM will still have the advantage. They are already very popular, their production is excellent and they are extremely open towards the Foreign scene, for both sponsor partnerships and, more importantly players partnerships. I pretty much agree o what you said except the last part.I believe OGN and KeSPA will likely gave more advantage because they are more popular than GOM despite what you think. But then who know what will happen to foreign scene. We will need to wait Edit: @chargelot. I hope you dont mean korean as dogs :D | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:01 goding wrote: I pretty much agree o what you said except the last part.I believe OGN and KeSPA will likely gave more advantage because they are more popular than GOM despite what you think. But then who know what will happen to foreign scene. We will need to wait I dunno. In Korea I think that OGN is way more popular than GOM for sure. Remember that while BW is a (dying?) Korean phenomenon, GOM is the hub for SC2 GLOBALLY. Internationally, SC2 is far more popular than BW is, and I actually think that its viewership is much higher than some people expect. | ||
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goding
22 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:06 Lunareste wrote: I dunno. In Korea I think that OGN is way more popular than GOM for sure. Remember that while BW is a (dying?) Korean phenomenon, GOM is the hub for SC2 GLOBALLY. Internationally, SC2 is far more popular than BW is, and I actually expect that its viewership is much higher than some people expect. Yes.That is true however we are currently talking about Korean scene with Korean players playing in PL. I think they will gain much more if they play in OGN due to popularity. But I could be wrong.  | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
SC2 players should be SO HAPPY that these talks are happening and that KESPA might come into the picture KESPA has done SOOO much for the bw community and they are the reason why it has lasted so long some of their rules can be a little ridiculous but I would rather have bigger and better tournaments with teams having better sponsors anyways if you're going to bash this, please do your research and understand what KESPA actually does for esports | ||
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Leifish
851 Posts
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Leifish
851 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:09 goding wrote: Yes.That is true however we are currently talking about Korean scene with Korean players playing in PL. I think they will gain much more if they play in OGN due to popularity. But I could be wrong. Actually, if you read what you quoted they're talking about "who will rule the starcraft scene" and how GOM has embraced the foreign scene, and how KeSPA may or may not do the same. Someone (sorry I can't see from my edit box) basically took the conversation out of context and said that OGN and KeSPA are more popular in Korea and has higher Korean viewership, which may be true; I countered that SC2 isn't dependent on OGN, KeSPA or Korean viewership because Starcraft 2 has an established foreign fanbase that is loyal and invested with GOM. | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
On March 17 2012 23:49 Aunvilgod wrote: I doubt that you can really reach a skill ceiling in this kind of RTS. Who knows, we might see double muta balls. DAT MULTITASKING. Oh, btw, couldn´t Day[9] just go and get 100k/year? He is so popular, GOM and OGN both would be just so stupid not to take that opportunity. You're five years too late | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:12 Soft`Soap wrote: I love how people think this is the end of the world for SC2 SC2 players should be SO HAPPY that these talks are happening and that KESPA might come into the picture KESPA has done SOOO much for the bw community and they are the reason why it has lasted so long some of their rules can be a little ridiculous but I would rather have bigger and better tournaments with teams having better sponsors anyways if you're going to bash this, please do your research and understand what KESPA actually does for esports kespa has also done a lot of shitty things... I don;t know if people think its the end of the world, or just mistrust kespa (which is reasonable to an extent) ...imo more games can't be bad -_- | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:12 Soft`Soap wrote: I love how people think this is the end of the world for SC2 SC2 players should be SO HAPPY that these talks are happening and that KESPA might come into the picture KESPA has done SOOO much for the bw community and they are the reason why it has lasted so long some of their rules can be a little ridiculous but I would rather have bigger and better tournaments with teams having better sponsors anyways if you're going to bash this, please do your research and understand what KESPA actually does for esports Nah, I actually feel generous to SC2 community, I wouldn't mind if the discussion failed like they wish. Who needs Dogspa walking into pristine scene? | ||
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goding
22 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:18 Lunareste wrote: Actually, if you read what you quoted they're talking about "who will rule the starcraft scene" and how GOM has embraced the foreign scene, and how KeSPA may or may not do the same. Someone (sorry I can't see from my edit box) basically took the conversation out of context and said that OGN and KeSPA are more popular in Korea and has higher Korean viewership, which may be true; I countered that SC2 isn't dependent on OGN, KeSPA or Korean viewership because Starcraft 2 has an established foreign fanbase that is loyal and invested with GOM. Yes indeed GOM is more globally connected.However IMO SC2 cant live without Korean scene. OGN and KeSPA will create a bigger Korean scene than before thus improving its SC2's fanbase :D | ||
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
IMO what could be good, is a cooperation where GOMTV goes "back to roots" and only holds GSL and small one-off events. OGN makes a BIG team league spanning over a larger period with many teams. Having both an OSL like tournament, Pro league, GSL and GSTL going on all week might not be the best thing to do. The interesting thing is, if OGN actually are gonna do anything with english broadcast. Because, who can they get? I don't think GOM wants to lend them they casters, as they are pretty busy, if the tournaments don't change. And with the seemingly hard way for GOMTV to get casters for code A (It seems they got everybody who wanted and had some form of casting skills) if OGN tries to go for english broadcast, their casting lineup will be subpar unless they "steal" some of the GOMTV talent. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 17 2012 15:54 Fionn wrote: I want a GSTL vs. SC2 Proleague Super Bowl-like final. Ratings. Ratings everywhere. probowl? | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
It could be difficult for teams to participate in both leagues at once if a gentleman's agreement is not reached. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:25 shadymmj wrote: The foreign fanbase isn't invested in GOM but the players in the GSL, who would be dumb not to switch to a team sponsored by a BW company. Assuming they indeed sponsor teams in the sc2 PL scene. It could be difficult for teams to participate in both leagues at once if a gentleman's agreement is not reached. I'm sure KeSPA will enforce exclusivity with the PL players, and not allow them to compete in any other tournament, anywhere in the world, for any reason. | ||
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On March 17 2012 23:49 Aunvilgod wrote: I doubt that you can really reach a skill ceiling in this kind of RTS. Who knows, we might see double muta balls. DAT MULTITASKING. Oh, btw, couldn´t Day[9] just go and get 100k/year? He is so popular, GOM and OGN both would be just so stupid not to take that opportunity. I don't think Day9 wanted. I think he's having fun making the daily and the events he's doing now. Broadcasting for OGN would properly take so much time that he had to cut down and the daily numbers, and he would properly not get to do any more events than tasteless/artosis does. Which would be a shame. | ||
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