EPTTop Tier Korean ZvT and TvZ TLPD statistics - Page 13
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prOxi.FighT
Australia114 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:21 karpo wrote: So give us your honest opinion on why this is? I would really like you to just come out straight and say exactly what you think is the reason. I don't know... It's right now a split between how TvZ seems easier or everyone's absolutely terrible at ZvT. | ||
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ETisME
12864 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:15 neoghaleon55 wrote: Please go read the opening post again under question 1. I made it very simple for everyone to understand with pictures, too! um. You do realise your graphs are just very basic bell shaped curves that are supposed to use samples that are best randomly selected and has a large enough sample size to support? (both of which is to ensure the sample represent the population) the 20 sample size is the minimal for central limit theorem to apply, which then allows you to do hypothesis testing... it is not the optimal minimal sample size... | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:18 neoghaleon55 wrote: I'm wondering why there's that 5-6% difference between ZvT and TvZ at the tiptop level. and why nobody in the Top 50 ELO has problems with TvZ but plenty of zergs (more than half) has problems with ZvT.... And people have pointed it out to you repeatedly. On March 16 2012 20:41 Saechiis wrote: TLPD is useless in the way you're trying to use it, yes. There's definitely been a T>Z trend for most of SC2's lifespan, that's however completely irrelevant in terms of arguing the state of TvZ right now. I would argue that Zergs have vented plenty over those abusive years and that there's no reason to assume the matchup has suddenly taken a turn for the worse. Again, the fact that TvZ was so Terran favored in the early stages of SC2 would explain why Terrans have more dominating percentages in the MU overall, doesn't mean that if we started anew the same trend would surface. This thread has reached a point where you're clearly implying there's imbalance but pretending you're not. Get to the point. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:23 neoghaleon55 wrote: I don't know... It's right now a split between how TvZ seems easier or everyone's absolutely terrible at ZvT. How is everyone absolutely terrible at ZvT when there's just a few percent difference in win rate between top 6 terrans and top 6 zergs? (MMA being the outlier) This thread is a fucking joke. Seems like this is the new trend in balance whine, TL is strict enough to close anything with blatant whine so people write together something that resembles actual analysis then just pick and choose what they want to focus on based on their race bias. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
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goldenwitch
United States338 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I apologize if this issue is controversial and have caused people to be upset. But I'm not making this up...it's in TLPD staring at us in the face every day. And I'm not answering any more stat questions. Come see me during office hours.  | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:36 neoghaleon55 wrote: I feel like I'm literally answering questions from the same 3 detractors (people who I should probably ignore)...who have nothing to add but destructive posts. I apologize if this issue is controversial and have caused people to be upset. But I'm not making this up...it's in TLPD staring at us in the face every day. And I'm not answering any more stat questions. Come see me during office hours. Oh wow. You're a real piece of work, dude. That's all i'll say. | ||
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:37 tomatriedes wrote: It does confuse me that DRG whines about toss so much when he loses more to terrans these days. Maybe his ladder games are different. He even whined during his GSL championship acceptance speech lol gotta love DRG | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3815 Posts
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:36 neoghaleon55 wrote: I feel like I'm literally answering questions from the same 3 detractors (people who I should probably ignore)...who have nothing to add but destructive posts. Your definition of destructive posts: posts that proves me wrong. On March 16 2012 21:36 neoghaleon55 wrote: I apologize if this issue is controversial and have caused people to be upset. But I'm not making this up...it's in TLPD staring at us in the face every day. I believe someone just posted several terrans above or near top 50 TLPD, I don't see how that is any different than you randomly finding a few Zerg as well. On March 16 2012 21:36 neoghaleon55 wrote:And I'm not answering any more stat questions. Come see me during office hours. You try to make it sound like you have the capability to answer them in the first place lol. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:40 neoghaleon55 wrote: He even whined during his GSL championship acceptance speech lol gotta love DRG TBH everyone complains about every match up, it's really how loud you can voice it or if anyone actually listens. | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:15 neoghaleon55 wrote: Please go read the opening post again under question 1. I made it very simple for everyone to understand with pictures, too! Problem with statistics is that they are a pain to read. DRG is 32W/18L ZvT, which translates as: If ZvT follows a binomial distribution, then there is a 95% chance that DRG has a winrate probability in the [51,77] range. Current number of games played for all listed players give roughly a 95% chance that the actual value is in a +/-15% interval around what is listed. That still supposes that the terrans faced in those 20 to 50 matches are a representative subset of the population considered, which should not be the case: weaker terrans tend to be eliminated earlier in tournaments, hence are under-represented in the global games list. | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:47 Utinni wrote: TBH everyone complains about every match up, it's really how loud you can voice it or if anyone actually listens. Not Stephano, also known as "My race is too strong against Protoss." I think he's exaggerating a little, because we haven't seen anyone else do what Stephano does. Might not even be possible for anyone else to do. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:50 Oshuy wrote: Problem with statistics is that they are a pain to read. DRG is 32W/18L ZvT, which translates as: If ZvT follows a binomial distribution, then there is a 95% chance that DRG has a winrate probability in the [51,77] range. Current number of games played for all listed players give roughly a 95% chance that the actual value is in a +/-15% interval around what is listed. That still supposes that the terrans faced in those 20 to 50 matches are a representative subset of the population considered, which should not be the case: weaker terrans tend to be eliminated earlier in tournaments, hence are under-represented in the global games list. hahaha I love you. <3 | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:51 Acritter wrote: Not Stephano, also known as "My race is too strong against Protoss." I think he's exaggerating a little, because we haven't seen anyone else do what Stephano does. Might not even be possible for anyone else to do. The stephano mass spine crawler/infestor/brood is very hard to beat as protoss. He might have a point | ||
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